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Better lead-off hitter; Ichiro or Jeter
Topic Started: Aug 6 2006, 07:47 PM (292 Views)
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So who is the better lead off hitter?

I will have to go with Ichiro. Ichiro always finishes with a batting average around 300 with 200+ hits. Jeter is more of a 2-3 hitter IMO.
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jeters not even leading off,how can he be the best if he dosnt even do it
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Ichiro is the better lead-off hitter, but Jeter is the best number 2 guy thats why we got Damon. As a lead off hitter your suppose to get 8 pitch singles or doubles. That not Jeters thing he sees a pitch and goes with it.
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KillerK,Aug 6 2006
07:47 PM
I will have to go with Ichiro.  Ichiro always finishes with a batting average around 300 with 200+ hits. Jeter is more of a 2-3 hitter IMO.

BA is basically worthless when looking at a guy's ability to leadoff. His role is to get on base and put himself in scoring position, and let the guys in the 3, 4, and 5 holes do their job.

That said, Jeter's career OBP is .009 higher than Ichiro's. That's basically a wash. I like Ichiro's speed a lot more than Jeter's, which is going to allow him a better chance at turning singles into doubles, doubles into triples, etc., not to mention give him a greater chance of stealing himself into scoring position.

I've heard people talk about the power that Ichiro could have if he weren't a slap hitter, but he is. At the same time, Jeter has shown that he can hit in the 18-25 HR range without sacrificing getting on base. He also has plus speed.

So basically, Ichiro is the better leadoff hitter, but Jeter is the ideal hitter in the 2 hole.
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you're only going to lead off one inning of the game FOR SURE. however the batter that bats first in a team's lineup will get the most plate appearences over the course of a season. jeter is a better hitter, i want him up more often than ichiro.
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YankeeFan,Aug 6 2006
09:52 PM
you're only going to lead off one inning of the game FOR SURE.

They will still always be setting the table for the 2-3-4-5 guys.

The difference in plate appearances between the first and second hitter isn't going to be big enough to say that Jeter wouldn't be better suited to hit in the 2 hole.
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RM hit the nail on the head. Ichiro is the better leadoff hitter for those reasons. They get on base at around the same clip and Ichiro has the speed.
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YankeeFan,Aug 6 2006
09:52 PM
you're only going to lead off one inning of the game FOR SURE. however the batter that bats first in a team's lineup will get the most plate appearences over the course of a season. jeter is a better hitter, i want him up more often  than ichiro.

Here we go again, spoken like a true Yankees fan, the only one saying Jeter is the better at the moment
not to mention Jeter doesnt lead off, but here goes.

Ichiro is faster, and doesnt K nearly as much as Jeter has in the past, 1 year doesnt make up for past or future performances as old Hildago showed us, along with Beltre, Arod, Beltran ect.


Ichiro has the hit record of 262 hits in a single season and at his rate right now hes going to come close to that again, and his 6th consecutive 200 hit season, which no one has ever done, not to begin there career in the majors for sure. Lets put Ichiro in the Yankees lineup, even in the 2nd spot, see how all of his numbers jump.

Derek Jeter has stole 239 bases in 12 seasons, Ichiro has stole 224 in 6.

Jeters career avg, 316, ichiro- 332


it takes Jeter 3 seasons to amass around 300 k's give or take 10-20
It takes ichiro 5

Ichiro has never been injured in a season.
Derek missed 41 games in 2003 due to injury

Ichiro is the better hitter, if he came in when he was young, he would have amassed, more hits, more Sbs, more games, less K's, and a ultimatally better avg, and if he was on a offensive team like the yankees, more runs also.

Even sportscenter, a known East coast teams supporter, has stated many times that Ichiro Suzuki is the best leadoff hitter in the game, even though Jeter isnt a leadoff hitter, hes better than Jeter also, if both put in the same position. Jeter gets more respect, hes a veteran, team leader, I even got his autograph once, one of the nicest guyz in the business, but just like with the Tejada thread, he is highly talked up against players that he cannot match.

Ichiro can hit to all fields, lay one down and beat it out right when u need it, put you in a position to win on a sharp linedrive to the outfield with him on 2nd. He also brings players with him, Johjima this year, Matsuka in the offseason? He helps your team while helping your team.

when Jeter breaks the single season hit record, or amasses 200+ hits for 6 consecutive seasons(i know a rebuddle will be that most those hits were for singles, get over it, can Jeter hit 200+ singles?) I am biased towards this, since im a mariner fan and Ichiro fan, but Jeter is a favorite player of mine, and I still have the autograph ball, not selling it, dont ask, haha.

Ok yankee fan's, bring it on, Im just getting warmed up!
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biggulp,Aug 6 2006
08:24 PM
jeters not even leading off,how can he be the best if he dosnt even do it

no kidding,youd have to pick Ichiro for that.
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ok, here's my take on the whole thing...

better leadoff hitter - Ichiro
better all around hitter - Ichiro

for these reasons...

1. as FP said, career averages determine the quality of the hitter
2. Ichiro has the single season hit record with 262 hits...in only his 4th year. in all the years Jeter has played...the most he's got? 219! penny change to Ichiro
3. Ichiro doesnt have multi-millionaires hitting behind him...well he does but not as good of hitters as Jeter's teammates...Jeter has guys who can pick up slack when he slumps...when Ichiro slumps...Seattle slumps.
and last: speed; pitchers are more intimidated by Ichiro because of his speed. making him a huge threat at the plate...so they try to pitch around him...he swats the bat at it and manages to get a single or two or 4.

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Fantasy_prodigy,Aug 6 2006
10:38 PM
Arod, Beltran ect.

This was as far as I was able to get into this thread before I knew i had to post something..

You are using A-Rod and Beltran as examples, though their one year anomalies are the inverse of what we saw with Hidalgo and Beltre, right?

I'm really hoping so, because Rodriguez and Beltran are and have been two of the game's best players..
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This was as far as I was able to get into this thread before I knew i had to post something..

You are using A-Rod and Beltran as examples, though their one year anomalies are the inverse of what we saw with Hidalgo and Beltre, right?

I'm really hoping so, because Rodriguez and Beltran are and have been two of the game's best players..

I was merely showing the inverse of the Hidalgo Beltre thing, and actually, to most Yankees fan, has been horrible this year, and you guys can't say that you dont think he hasnt, booing him all the time at his own home stadium. You can't credit something with beltre and Hidalgo without noting the inverse of the totally different things that happened with other players, it shows it can go both wayz.
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Fantasy_prodigy,Aug 7 2006
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RastaMongoose74,Aug 6 2006
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This was as far as I was able to get into this thread before I knew i had to post something..

You are using A-Rod and Beltran as examples, though their one year anomalies are the inverse of what we saw with Hidalgo and Beltre, right?

I'm really hoping so, because Rodriguez and Beltran are and have been two of the game's best players..

I was merely showing the inverse of the Hidalgo Beltre thing, and actually, to most Yankees fan, has been horrible this year, and you guys can't say that you dont think he hasnt, booing him all the time at his own home stadium. You can't credit something with beltre and Hidalgo without noting the inverse of the totally different things that happened with other players, it shows it can go both wayz.

Yeah, this has been a down year for A-Rod (or at least the Yankees fans seem to think so), and last year definitely wasn't one of Beltran's best..

I was just making sure you weren't trying to say that Beltran and A-Rod were just flash in the pan, one year wonder guys.
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Lol i think saying that would discredit anything ive ever posted, lol
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Beltran is starting to earn his check, Arod will have to hit 1.000 to earn his check, and he has no shot to even hit .350. for as much money as Arod is making, he should be a perfect player. he's nothing but a money hungry pretty boy.

as for beltre...he's comin around...slowly but surely. *SEA*
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id take Ichiro, he places balls very well in the gaps, and is a very good baserunner
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