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Topic Started: Oct 15 2007, 02:17 PM (570 Views)
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Recently, I was pulling up my driveway home from getting gas, when two women were standing at my door, dressed in very nice clothing. I got out of the car and they practically ran over to me, me first asking "Can I help you?" They responded with "Do you feel that God causes natural disasters"?

I said that no, he doesn't, just to see what their response would be. They agreed, saying "Seems so horrible for people to say that a God of love causes such things". I hit them back with Noah's Ark, now turning the table on my original "no" answer. God does cause natural disasters, Noah's Ark being a perfect example. God uses these disasters to achieve good, a good which we may currently not understand. When looking to them for an answer, they handed me brochures and assured me that they'd be back to ask me what I thought of their booklets.

Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well.
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They showed up at my house this weekend when I was home alone. I told them I couldn't listen to them because I had to get ready for school... at 10 AM... on a Saturday
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I just shut the door...or never answer it in 1st place.
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OriolesManiac88,Oct 15 2007
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I just shut the door...or never answer it in 1st place.

I'd just woken up and didn't think to look to see who it was. My half conscious decision making isn't stellar.
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OriolesManiac88,Oct 15 2007
03:51 PM
I just shut the door...or never answer it in 1st place.

Maniac...

Your not alone. Many people hide behind their drapes when JW's call.

But at the same time many dont hide.

We dont want your money, we are not selling you anything, we are not casing the joint to come back later and rob you, or steal your car, we only wish to have people look into what the bible has to offer.

Out of all this a few look into God's word with JW's and find the truth from the bible and over this period of time become better citizens, peace loving, neighbor loving, completely united in all this and secure in the knowledge that they are pleasing God in their daily lives.

Is that really something to be afraid of and hide?

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MoRivera,Oct 15 2007
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Recently, I was pulling up my driveway home from getting gas, when two women were standing at my door, dressed in very nice clothing. I got out of the car and they practically ran over to me, me first asking "Can I help you?" They responded with "Do you feel that God causes natural disasters"?

I said that no, he doesn't, just to see what their response would be. They agreed, saying "Seems so horrible for people to say that a God of love causes such things". I hit them back with Noah's Ark, now turning the table on my original "no" answer. God does cause natural disasters, Noah's Ark being a perfect example. God uses these disasters to achieve good, a good which we may currently not understand. When looking to them for an answer, they handed me brochures and assured me that they'd be back to ask me what I thought of their booklets.

MO.. Your point please..
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Maniac...

Your not alone. Many people hide behind their drapes when JW's call.

But at the same time many dont hide.

We dont want your money, we are not selling you anything, we are not casing the joint to come back later and rob you, or steal your car, we only wish to have people look into what the bible has to offer.

Out of all this a few look into God's word with JW's and find the truth from the bible and over this period of time become better citizens, peace loving, neighbor loving, completely united in all this and secure in the knowledge that they are pleasing God in their daily lives.

Is that really something to be afraid of and hide?

Do I come to your house and bug you in the sanctity of your home trying to change your beliefs? Until I do so, don't do it to me. Let those who believe, believe and attend church, or worship in their own personal manner, and let those who do not live their lives.

And a god does not make you a moral individiual, so why do you assume that they were bad people before, and entering a faith makes them a good person?
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bostonfanatic87,Oct 15 2007
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They showed up at my house this weekend when I was home alone. I told them I couldn't listen to them because I had to get ready for school... at 10 AM... on a Saturday

Fanatic..

That works. So do many other lame excuses. We arent there to irritate anyone. If one takes offence that is their problem.

We are looking for people who realize we are living in very bad times and wish they could find the answers.

We have the answers from God's word. But you won't learn them from behind your drapes or behind phoney excuses.

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Fanatic..

That works. So do many other lame excuses. We arent there to irritate anyone. If one takes offence that is their problem.

We are looking for people who realize we are living in very bad times and wish they could find the answers.

We have the answers from God's word. But you won't learn them from behind your drapes or behind phoney excuses.

Your faith is not the only path to morality, and it is arrogant to assume that.
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We dont want your money, we are not selling you anything, we are not casing the joint to come back later and rob you, or steal your car, we only wish to have people look into what the bible has to offer.

Out of all this a few look into God's word with JW's and find the truth from the bible and over this period of time become better citizens, peace loving, neighbor loving, completely united in all this and secure in the knowledge that they are pleasing God in their daily lives.

Is that really something to be afraid of and hide?

T-O, may I assume from this post that you are a Jehovah's Witness?
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Yeh he is. T-O vs J-B, should be a great discussion lol.
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We dont want your money, we are not selling you anything, we are not casing the joint to come back later and rob you, or steal your car, we only wish to have people look into what the bible has to offer.

Out of all this a few look into God's word with JW's and find the truth from the bible and over this period of time become better citizens, peace loving, neighbor loving, completely united in all this and secure in the knowledge that they are pleasing God in their daily lives.

Is that really something to be afraid of and hide?

T-O, may I assume from this post that you are a Jehovah's Witness?

Jayhawk

Yes
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my point is, the JW's think they ask all the questions and hand out the brochures. Why is it when I start asking them questions, they flee, promising to come back (yet never do)
Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well.
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Maniac...

Your not alone. Many people hide behind their drapes when JW's call.

But at the same time many dont hide.

We dont want your money, we are not selling you anything, we are not casing the joint to come back later and rob you, or steal your car, we only wish to have people look into what the bible has to offer.

Out of all this a few look into God's word with JW's and find the truth from the bible and over this period of time become better citizens, peace loving, neighbor loving, completely united in all this and secure in the knowledge that they are pleasing God in their daily lives.

Is that really something to be afraid of and hide?

Im not afraid or hiding from them. I just really dont want to sit there and waste my time listening to their bullshit. Ill worship how I want, when I want.
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OriolesManiac88,Oct 15 2007
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Maniac...

Your not alone. Many people hide behind their drapes when JW's call.

But at the same time many dont hide.

We dont want your money, we are not selling you anything, we are not casing the joint to come back later and rob you, or steal your car, we only wish to have people look into what the bible has to offer.

Out of all this a few look into God's word with JW's and find the truth from the bible and over this period of time become better citizens, peace loving, neighbor loving, completely united in all this and secure in the knowledge that they are pleasing God in their daily lives.

Is that really something to be afraid of and hide?

Im not afraid or hiding from them. I just really dont want to sit there and waste my time listening to their bullshit. Ill worship how I want, when I want.

Maniac.. May I be so bold as to enquire as to how you worship and when you worship?

Its interesting to hear you say that you do and I and probably others may like to hear what you mean.

Thanks
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Maniac...

Your not alone. Many people hide behind their drapes when JW's call.

But at the same time many dont hide.

We dont want your money, we are not selling you anything, we are not casing the joint to come back later and rob you, or steal your car, we only wish to have people look into what the bible has to offer.

Out of all this a few look into God's word with JW's and find the truth from the bible and over this period of time become better citizens, peace loving, neighbor loving, completely united in all this and secure in the knowledge that they are pleasing God in their daily lives.

Is that really something to be afraid of and hide?

My question is, why do JW's assume the people they are calling on are not pleasing God in their daily lives? Why do they assume anyone who is not a JW does not love their neighbor or seek peace in the world? Why do they assume that those who are not JW's don't "know" the Bible and live by its teachings?
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Recently, I was pulling up my driveway home from getting gas, when two women were standing at my door, dressed in very nice clothing. I got out of the car and they practically ran over to me, me first asking "Can I help you?" They responded with "Do you feel that God causes natural disasters"?

I said that no, he doesn't, just to see what their response would be. They agreed, saying "Seems so horrible for people to say that a God of love causes such things". I hit them back with Noah's Ark, now turning the table on my original "no" answer. God does cause natural disasters, Noah's Ark being a perfect example. God uses these disasters to achieve good, a good which we may currently not understand. When looking to them for an answer, they handed me brochures and assured me that they'd be back to ask me what I thought of their booklets.



MO.. Just to clarify things a bit. At least as far as “Noah’s Ark” is concerned.

I can't speak on what you think you saw as far as the two ladies who “practically ran” over to you. That is highly unlikely but I will take your word for it.

I think you are confusing the “natural” disasters that they were talking about, with certain events that God caused, like the flood of Noah’s day. I know that’s what you meant, not Noah’s Ark being a disaster.

Natural disasters being things that happen in nature, like earthquakes, floods, landslides etc.
Then there are disasters caused by terrorists as we all are only too well aware.

NO.. God does NOT cause those things. It is no mystery that no good comes from those kinds of things.

However Jehovah did cause the flood as opposed to something that just happened by itself. If you read this account in the bible you will understand the reasons why.

The same reasons will prevail when He causes Armageddon, which is called in the bible “the great day of God Almighty”..

If He does not cleanse the earth of wickedness and wicked people, then mankind will surely destroy itself.

I will leave it at that for the time being.
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MoRivera,Oct 15 2007
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my point is, the JW's think they ask all the questions and hand out the brochures. Why is it when I start asking them questions, they flee, promising to come back (yet never do)



Hey MO..

“They flee” huh? Do you mean they actually RAN away? May I use the computer expression lol?

At any rate of course they ask questions. The idea is to find out your viewpoint and stir your interest perhaps.

And no, nobody “flee’s” if you respond in any way favorably. If the persons attitude at the door, or any where else, is not very favorable, then it is best to take your leave.
Even though it does irritate some people when we are there, that is not our intention at all and an argument serves no purpose. A discussion does.

As for “never” coming back after saying they will.. How do you know they never come back? After all you were not home the first time they called, perhaps you have not been home when they in fact may have returned another day?

This is not an unusual situation. I have experienced this many times. People are busy these days and often are not home. If they have shown any interest in the bible or accepted the literature we have offered, then we def do make an effort to return.

Sometimes, for reasons that come up, we may ask another brother or sister to call back on that person, so in that event you may not recognize them even if you are at home.

Remember also, that we are only ordinary people like evryone else. We often can be nervous at ones door. Wouldnt anyone be in the same situation? And that sometimes leads to not being as effective in presenting the good news as we may have wanted to be.

Now lets get much more serious.

Consider this…

Jesus said his disciples would be “fishers of men”.. What a contrast between JW’s who diligently try to do this, as apposed to others who call themselves Christians (followers of Christ). The idea of taking the truth to people, whether they respond or not, is a direct command from Christ and as well as a command, he said that this in fact WOULD happen in the last days of this system.

Mathew 28: 19,20... "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,  teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

Mathew 24:14... "And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come".

We are only doing what he commanded.

In fact, taking the good news of God's kingdom is in fact one of the signs to show we are living in the last days. JW's are the only ones doing this, and worldwide.

I know some on here dont like to hear that, but it happens to be the truth of the matter.

When was the last time anyone you know actually did what Jesus said his followers WOULD do? And that includes going from door to door which is a very effective way of contacting people, just like he and his disciples did.

As for the clergy of all other religions. They certainly are not “fishers of men”. More to the point is that they really are only “keepers of the aquarium” as one Newsweek writer commented some time ago. They ring the bell on Sunday and expect people to come to them instead of doing what Jesus commanded and go find people.



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Jayhawk Bill,Oct 15 2007
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T-O, may I assume from this post that you are a Jehovah's Witness?

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Yes

Got it, thanks.

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At any rate of course they ask questions. The idea is to find out your viewpoint and stir your interest perhaps.

And no, nobody “flee’s” if you respond in any way favorably. If the persons attitude at the door, or any where else, is not very favorable, then it is best to take your leave.
Even though it does irritate some people when we are there, that is not our intention at all and an argument serves no purpose.


This is exactly my experience with Jehovah's Witnesses.

While I share almost no religious beliefs with Jehovah's Witnesses, I find it difficult to criticize individuals who care so much to help the world and to save others' immortal souls. A cynic might analyze the structure of the religious group as an organization and consider the door-to-door work as proselytizing as a means of acquiring others' resources and ensuring the continued growth of the organization. I personally discount that as a motive of Jehovah's Witnesses whom I have met. They encourage discussion of faith, but I perceive, rightly or wrongly, that they come to save souls, not to cause strife or trouble.

Too few remember that Hitler's Nazis considered Jehovah's Witnesses to be on a par with Jews and homosexuals, and that they were targeted for eradication in the Holocaust. IMO, any religion that poses a threat to Nazism through its existence is probably a good thing.

That doesn't mean that I'm a likely convert--rather, I would prefer to celebrate Jehovah's Witnesses good work from the outside, pointing out the good that has been done by so many religions in removing mankind from savagery, including the work of Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Maniac...

Your not alone. Many people hide behind their drapes when JW's call.

But at the same time many dont hide.

We dont want your money, we are not selling you anything, we are not casing the joint to come back later and rob you, or steal your car, we only wish to have people look into what the bible has to offer.

Out of all this a few look into God's word with JW's and find the truth from the bible and over this period of time become better citizens, peace loving, neighbor loving, completely united in all this and secure in the knowledge that they are pleasing God in their daily lives.

Is that really something to be afraid of and hide?

My question is, why do JW's assume the people they are calling on are not pleasing God in their daily lives? Why do they assume anyone who is not a JW does not love their neighbor or seek peace in the world? Why do they assume that those who are not JW's don't "know" the Bible and live by its teachings?



KY.. Good questions that many people have.

I won't deny that it is easy to “assume” what you are saying, but this is not a good premise to adhere to.

Our purpose solely is to find people wherever they may be, attempt to present the message that we have from the bible, that is the “good news of God’s kingdom” and what it has done and yet will do for mankind, and incidentally while doing this we are also proclaiming God’s name in the entire eath.

Remember when Jesus told his followers what to pray for in what is referred to as the Lord’s prayer?


Mathew 6 verses 9 and 10 are the start of this model prayer..

“You must pray, then, this way:
“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth”.

When we look at this we see that Jesus would be directing his prayer to his heavenly father. (Not likely if the Trinity doctrine is to be believed). I just couldn’t resist throwing that in there.

Then he said to God, “let your name be sanctified (hallowed in the KJ bible). That is the most important thing.
Then let your kingdom come. What did that mean? Obviously something that Jesus knew had not yet come, but would in the future.

What is that kingdom Jesus spoke of?

Then, let your will take place on the earth like it is in heaven. Jesus knew that would happen in the future as well since he was indicating that it was not currently being in place world wide during his time on earth.

However, having said that, JW’s upon calling on peoples homes, or meeting them on street corners, or via telephone, or any other means is not to sell anyone our religion, not to try and gain converts as such, we don’t want your money although some folks do give us a small contribution to further our work, not to save anyones soul, not to irritate you, although this happens because of the work we are doing, but simply to present the good news that God’s kingdom is now in place with Christ as its king, that kingdom will see to it that God’s name Jehovah is being declared in all the earth, and to warn people that God’s day to eliminate wickedness from the earth and restore its paradise lost condition for man to live on forever is very close now.

A few listen but most don’t. Those ones that do listen are the ones that will also become disciples in fulfillment of Mathew 28: 19 and 20.

We try to do this as tactfully as possible, but human nature being what it is, we aren’t perfect in any way so some people do take offence at our activities.

Thanks for your post.



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