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Feminists are best!
Topic Started: Oct 18 2007, 11:49 AM (876 Views)
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Busting stereotypes that peg feminists as ugly lesbians, a new study shows that having a feminist partner is linked with healthier, more romantic heterosexual relationships.

The study, published online this week in the journal Sex Roles, relied on surveys of both college students and older adults, finding that women with egalitarian attitudes do find mates and men do find them attractive. In fact, results reveal they are having a good time, maybe a better time than the non-feminists.

Both men and women are prone to holding negative views of feminists, the authors say. Along with the sexually unattractive stereotype, some women also view feminism as a movement for victims, or for women who aren't competent enough to achieve success on their own merit, according to the Rutgers University researchers.

Psychologists Laurie Rudman and Julie Phelan carried out a laboratory survey of 242 Rutgers undergraduates and conducted an online survey of 289 older adults who had an average age of 26 and typically had been in their current relationship about four years.

Older adults have more life experience "and thus may be more likely to show an incompatibility between feminism and romantic relationships," Rudman and Phelan write. While younger females likely grew up with the attitude that "women can have it all," the researchers note older women may have come of age in the era following U.S. women's suffrage (1919) or during the women's movement that emerged in the 1960s.

The researchers looked at people's perception of their own feminism, their partner's feminism and whether they had positive views of feminists and career women. Other survey measures included overall relationship quality, agreement about gender equality, relationship stability and sexual satisfaction.

For example, relationship quality was measured with questions such as: How often do you and your partner laugh together? And how often do you and your partner quarrel? For stability measures, participants answered how often they considered terminating the relationship, as well as how often they thought their romantic relationship had a good future.

Among the findings:

* College-age women who reported having feminist male partners also reported higher quality relationships that were more stable than couples involving non-feminist male partners.
* College guys who were themselves feminists and had feminist partners reported more equality in their relationships.
* Older women who perceived their male partners as feminists reported greater relationship health and sexual satisfaction.
* Older men with feminist partners said they had more stable relationships and greater sexual satisfaction.

Overall, feminism and romance do go hand in hand, the scientists say.

While they aren't sure how feminism works to enhance relationship health, the researchers have some ideas. Feminist men might be more supportive of their female partner's ambitions than are traditionalists. Men with feminist partners may enjoy the extra breadwinner to share the economic burden of maintaining a household.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/200710...istshavemorefun

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See men....a smart, feminist woman is so much better than a door mat!!! I told ya!!!

Would you really be happy with a beautiful woman with the brains of a bowl of pea soup and the ambitions of a doorknob???
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Feminism is a morally corrupted outlook that has lead to the downfall of this nation.
Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well.
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It's a known fact that if the woman is smarter or makes more money in a marriage, the marriage is unlikely to last. So no, we don't want know-it-all bitches.
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MoRivera,Oct 18 2007
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Feminism is a morally corrupted outlook that has lead to the downfall of this nation.

Feminism is the savior of this nation. Under the reigning patriarchy we've known nothing but slavery, oppression, depressions, and wars.
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Rockshu,Oct 18 2007
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It's a known fact that if the woman is smarter or makes more money in a marriage, the marriage is unlikely to last. So no, we don't want know-it-all bitches.

And what does that say about pathetic, insecure men???
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kyyankgrrl,Oct 18 2007
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And what does that say about pathetic, insecure men???

It says our job is the office, your job is the kitchen and bedroom.
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"Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." -- Pat Robertson

Pat Robertson is a friggin' idiot.
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MoRivera,Oct 18 2007
01:57 PM
Feminism is a morally corrupted outlook that has lead to the downfall of this nation.

Yeah you tell them womenfolk, their place is in the kitchen and the bedroom :rolleyes:
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I checked for the actual study online. It's not yet available for free, but I found a synopsis by Springer, the publisher of the journal in which the study was published.

Does everybody realize that the results are that feminist women consider themselves to have better romantic relationships? This isn't a set of impartial observers assessing others' feminism and others' relationships--this is feminists describing themselves as beautiful, romantic and sexy.

I know that feminists regard themselves to be these things. My experience, however, is that others often regard self-described feminists to be less beautiful, romantic and sexy than they personally might believe.

http://www.springer-sbm.com/index.php?id=2...Hash=0ec227b89b
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Perhaps that is because men confuse submissiveness with beauty.
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kyyankgrrl,Oct 18 2007
06:12 PM
Perhaps that is because men confuse submissiveness with beauty.

Haha hey I like a girl that can take charge a bit and have her own mind. But the feminazi kinda stuff is too much for me.
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Haha hey I like a girl that can take charge a bit and have her own mind. But the feminazi kinda stuff is too much for me.

And men who are bullies make me feel homicidal.
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kyyankgrrl,Oct 18 2007
06:20 PM
And men who are bullies make me feel homicidal.

So wouldn't it work out well if none of us were overly aggressive and slightly crazy?
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kyyankgrrl,Oct 18 2007
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Perhaps that is because men confuse submissiveness with beauty.

Were you replying to my post:

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I checked for the actual study online. It's not yet available for free, but I found a synopsis by Springer, the publisher of the journal in which the study was published.

Does everybody realize that the results are that feminist women consider themselves to have better romantic relationships? This isn't a set of impartial observers assessing others' feminism and others' relationships--this is feminists describing themselves as beautiful, romantic and sexy.

I know that feminists regard themselves to be these things. My experience, however, is that others often regard self-described feminists to be less beautiful, romantic and sexy than they personally might believe.

http://www.springer-sbm.com/index.php?id=2...Hash=0ec227b89b


Before I respond, I want to ensure your meaning...thanks.
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I know that feminists regard themselves to be these things.  My experience, however, is that others often regard self-described feminists to be less beautiful, romantic and sexy than they personally might believe.

Yes, I was responding to this. Particularly the insinuation that a woman with a functioning brain is automatically unattractive.
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kyyankgrrl,Oct 18 2007
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Jayhawk Bill,Oct 18 2007
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I know that feminists regard themselves to be these things.  My experience, however, is that others often regard self-described feminists to be less beautiful, romantic and sexy than they personally might believe.

Yes, I was responding to this. Particularly the insinuation that a woman with a functioning brain is automatically unattractive.

"A woman with a functioning brain is automatically unattractive?" That may have been inferred by you, but it's certainly not what I said.

Do you assume females who are not self-described feminists to lack a functioning brain? That appears to be the only way that your words would make sense...they'd still be wrong, but your own thought process would be logical if you had made that one of your core assumptions.

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What I'm pointing out is a flaw in the study's methodology not reported by your initial link. You posted a thread titled "Feminists are best!" A more accurate title, given the findings of the study reported, might be "Feminists Consider Themselves Best!"

Here's a critical part of the summary, previously linked:

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The authors also tested the validity of feminist stereotypical beliefs amongst their two samples, based on the hypothesis that if feminist stereotypes are accurate, then feminist women should be more likely to report themselves as being single, lesbian, or sexually unattractive, compared with non-feminist women.

Rudman and Phelan found no support for this hypothesis amongst their study participants.


This is a valuable finding: feminists do not consider themselves "single, lesbian, or sexually unattractive, compared with non-feminist women." That answers important issues regarding self-worth and self-esteem among self-described feminists.

It leaves unanswered, however, how others consider feminists to be. I previously posted, "...others often regard self-described feminists to be less beautiful, romantic and sexy than they personally might believe." If you'd like, I can reference links to support that people often have such opinions, but one would be that such views were described as "feminist stereotypical beliefs" in the quote above--even the study's publisher agrees with my assertion.

From what I'm reading, the study didn't disprove those opinions--it concentrated on the self-image of self-described feminists, not others' perceptions of self-described feminists.

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I'd be eager to read the entire study, especially with respect to methodology, the population from which the samples were drawn (the "older" participants were cited to be age 26, a very young age for "older" participants). I'd also like to check statistical significance of results, something unmentioned in either the popular press or in the free online summary.

Barring that, it appears that the Associate Professor and the PhD candidate who wrote this may have made a logic jump: assuming social gifts of one's self does not reliably indicate possession of those gifts.

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If you choose to respond, I'd be eager for you to answer my question posed above: Do you assume females who are not self-described feminists to lack a functioning brain?

In any case, thanks for considering my criticism of the research work.
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I was joking, by the way.
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kyyankgrrl,Oct 18 2007
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Feminism is the savior of this nation. Under the reigning patriarchy we've known nothing but slavery, oppression, depressions, and wars.

thats bogus. Ever since women started screaming about this "equal rights" garbage, the morality of this nation has gone into dangerously low levels. You don't see this? You want to know what I firmly believe. That this "feminism" issue is more of a womans problem than a mans. Women who are so into their equal rights cause far more havoc and chaos than if they just kept their mouth shut. A man has a job to do in his life, and a woman has an equally difficult role to play in her life. Most men know their place. Women, on the other hand, have torn this great nation to shreds. I firmly believe that.
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I don't like the word feminist. It should be equal, to me feminism.feminist suggests that females are better.
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