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At least theres one guy with balls
Topic Started: Oct 23 2007, 10:04 PM (938 Views)
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I could also put a picture of pk up with these, but meh.

Except that's not Barack Obama... that's a photoshopped picture of Bin Laden. Obama's skin is way darker and the shape of his head is totally different.

meh its close enough that he will never be president. Plus he is a smoker.

So wait, if I photoshop the living hell out of a picture of rudy guliani to give him similar traits to Hitler, but looks absolutely nothing like Guliani (much like that photo "comparison") will you no longer support him either?
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I could also put a picture of pk up with these, but meh.

Except that's not Barack Obama... that's a photoshopped picture of Bin Laden. Obama's skin is way darker and the shape of his head is totally different.

meh its close enough that he will never be president. Plus he is a smoker.

So wait, if I photoshop the living hell out of a picture of rudy guliani to give him similar traits to Hitler, but looks absolutely nothing like Guliani (much like that photo "comparison") will you no longer support him either?

If Rudy's name was Milter and he went to a Nazi school then yes I would be agaisnt him or if he just had that little stache, that would be enough for me to be agasint him. Just so you know, I don't like the current pope and think they made a mistake.
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Give me a fucking break. It's just a name. Oh, and he went to a peaceful muslim school.

I might as well never vote for anyone that went to a christian high school.
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a lot of people who support him, think this guy is clean but he is just like the rest. He was laundering money for the mob in his campaign.


Barack “Hussein” Obama scares the bejesus out of me! Why? He’s a smooth talker and, like Bill Clinton, he seems to be coated with Teflon. Sadly, the most obvious disqualifier in our new world of terror, a middle-eastern name, is the one people seem the most willing to ignore. (I thought everybody and their dogs were watching 24!)

It seems that every article on Obama inserts “Christian” in the bio, yet his lineage and background appears anything but Christian. For example, his father was a devout Muslim, and his mom an atheist from the abortion capital of the world, Wichita, Kansas. I don’t buy the sales pitch that he has turned a new leaf. First, the man couldn’t be more pro-Abortion. While serving in the Illinois legislature he voted repeatedly against a law that would make it a crime for hospitals to dispose of still-breathing, alive, recently aborted children in what amounts to a garbage heap. The law “stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.” The same law was supported on the Federal level by none other than Senators Kerry, Kennedy and Clinton. Only after Obama took up residence in D.C. did the Illinois law pass. Moreover, he is adamantly opposed to the Partial Birth Abortion ban on the national level, which tells me that he hasn’t changed a bit.

I’ll give Democrats some leeway if they at least draw the line at partially delivering a baby, then killing the child via scissors in the back of the head and sucking the brains out, but not drawing a line at all is downright putrid, even by atheistic and satanic standards. (All abortions should be illegal, but I won’t go there.)

In summation, Obama claims to be a Christian, yet he has consistently taken sides with the ungodly. I have no doubt that he may be “religious,” but not Christian. I suspect that radical Muslims have no problem with Christians and other infidels killing their unborn children. It’s the modus operandi of the fanatics of Islam. Convert all you can, then kill the rest; if they kill themselves, all the better. A visit to your neighborhood abortion clinic will likely reveal that the vast majority of abortions are performed on middle class girls and women, with the poor conspicuously absent. As a Democratic Hispanic friend of mine observed: it’s not Hispanics and Blacks getting abortions, so it really isn’t their problem; it’s mostly reserved for Anglo-Americans. I also suspect that none of the patrons are Muslims.

If a Democrat has to be president, I’d take anyone over Obama, even...I won't go there either.

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Any group called "rightwingagenda" is about as unbiased as you can get, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

The fact that Obama doesn't feel the need to force his personal religious views onto others makes me admire and support him all the more.

Are you implying all Muslims should be painted with the same brush? Do you also apply that standard to all Christians? All Jewish people?
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Are you implying all Muslims should be painted with the same brush? Do you also apply that standard to all Christians? All Jewish people?

I would suggest that knowledge of an individual's religion, coupled with an understanding of the depth of his or her faith, yields important clues regarding their likely behavior in certain situations. I expect that a devout Catholic, for example, would be unlikely to support abortions; a less-devout individual alleging to be a Catholic might decide that abortions were acceptable in certain situations.

Knowledge that an individual is Islamic, coupled with knowledge regarding the depth of their faith, might offer similar clues.

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Any group called "rightwingagenda" is about as unbiased as you can get, I'm sure. :rolleyes:


I understand. Let's go to a highly-respected, albeit somewhat left-wing, institution for another perspective: Princeton University.

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s8195.pdf

In Politics as Religion, Professor Emilio Gentile makes an excellent case that some modern political movements, especially Nazism, are essentially religions.

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The fact that Obama doesn't feel the need to force his personal religious views onto others makes me admire and support him all the more.


The Nazis were elected to power. They didn't claim that they were going to force their views onto others through the creation of a vile police state bent upon genocide; they claimed that they were going to govern more effectively and vigorously than the Weimar Republic had been governed. They did, of course, force Germans and conquered peoples to accept their views.

The fact that, bereft of executive power, Barrack Obama has not forced his personal religious views onto others offers very little foresight regarding what would happen in the event of an Obama Presidency.
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I would suggest that there are some who truly believe in this nation's commitment to "freedom of religion", and respect each person's right to believe - or not believe - as they wish. Thinking such as yours explains why this nation has elected only one Catholic president - the attitude that "Rome would be calling the shots". Any excuse to exercise a prejudice, I guess.

I have never been comfortable with the media's need to delve into and dwell on politicians' private lives. I well remember those who were bothered that Ronald Reagan was divorced. I could not care less about a politician's religious beliefs, or lack thereof. I care about their views on issues and their voting records.
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I would suggest that there are some who truly believe in this nation's commitment to "freedom of religion", and respect each person's right to believe - or not believe - as they wish. Thinking such as yours explains why this nation has elected only one Catholic president - the attitude that "Rome would be calling the shots". Any excuse to exercise a prejudice, I guess.

I have never been comfortable with the media's need to delve into and dwell on politicians' private lives. I well remember those who were bothered that Ronald Reagan was divorced. I could not care less about a politician's religious beliefs, or lack thereof. I care about their views on issues and their voting records.

So a politician's adherence to a religion that supported subordination of women to men wouldn't faze you? I'm surprised.
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I would suggest that knowledge of an individual's religion, coupled with an understanding of the depth of his or her faith, yields important clues regarding their likely behavior in certain situations. I expect that a devout Catholic, for example, would be unlikely to support abortions; a less-devout individual alleging to be a Catholic might decide that abortions were acceptable in certain situations.

Knowledge that an individual is Islamic, coupled with knowledge regarding the depth of their faith, might offer similar clues.



I understand. Let's go to a highly-respected, albeit somewhat left-wing, institution for another perspective: Princeton University.

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s8195.pdf

In Politics as Religion, Professor Emilio Gentile makes an excellent case that some modern political movements, especially Nazism, are essentially religions.



The Nazis were elected to power. They didn't claim that they were going to force their views onto others through the creation of a vile police state bent upon genocide; they claimed that they were going to govern more effectively and vigorously than the Weimar Republic had been governed. They did, of course, force Germans and conquered peoples to accept their views.

The fact that, bereft of executive power, Barrack Obama has not forced his personal religious views onto others offers very little foresight regarding what would happen in the event of an Obama Presidency.

Actually, the Nazis made it no secret. They publicly denounced Jews, Communists, etc in their rise to power. It was a main part of their rise, the creation of an internal enemy to blame for Germany's fall under the Weimar republic. The German people were all too ready to find a scapegoat and for Germany to rise back and gain it's previous prestige.
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I would suggest that there are some who truly believe in this nation's commitment to "freedom of religion", and respect each person's right to believe - or not believe - as they wish. Thinking such as yours explains why this nation has elected only one Catholic president - the attitude that "Rome would be calling the shots". Any excuse to exercise a prejudice, I guess.

I have never been comfortable with the media's need to delve into and dwell on politicians' private lives. I well remember those who were bothered that Ronald Reagan was divorced. I could not care less about a politician's religious beliefs, or lack thereof. I care about their views on issues and their voting records.

So a politician's adherence to a religion that supported subordination of women to men wouldn't faze you? I'm surprised.

Catholicism does largely support the subordination of women. Yet, I have no problem with Ted Kennedy. His record reflects a mind independent of his religious beliefs and upbringing....a little something known as the separation of church and state.
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Actually, the Nazis made it no secret. They publicly denounced Jews, Communists, etc in their rise to power. It was a main part of their rise, the creation of an internal enemy to blame for Germany's fall under the Weimar republic. The German people were all too ready to find a scapegoat and for Germany to rise back and gain it's previous prestige.

The intent to commit genocide was not a part of the 1933 election platform. It was, in fact, kept secret for long after the actual murders began.

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Catholicism does largely support the subordination of women. Yet, I have no problem with Ted Kennedy. His record reflects a mind independent of his religious beliefs and upbringing....a little something known as the separation of church and state.


Do you consider Ted Kennedy to be a devout Catholic? You do realize that he's been one of the most pro-choice Senators for over three decades, and that taking the life of a fetus is a mortal sin in the Catholic Church, do you not?

If he truly follows Catholicism, and if it's the true religion, he's condemned himself to eternal torment. :unsure:

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Most of the Prime Ministers in Canada have all been catholic, yet they have all managed to seperate church and state. it really isn't that hard
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The intent to commit genocide was not a part of the 1933 election platform. It was, in fact, kept secret for long after the actual murders began.

But the public denouncement, ridicule, and hatred was part of the election platform.
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bostonfanatic87,Oct 25 2007
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But the public denouncement, ridicule, and hatred was part of the election platform.

Accepted.

Point made: if a religion or ideology followed by a candidate causes her or him to denounce or ridicule--or to champion--certain nations, faiths, minorities or causes during a campaign, we should be aware that the candidate's actions, if elected, may well be more extreme than originally posited during the campaign.

Which was kinda THU's point to begin with, IIRC, and the point that I was supporting when I entered this thread... ;)
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Jayhawk Bill,Oct 25 2007
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Accepted.

Point made: if a religion or ideology followed by a candidate causes her or him to denounce or ridicule--or to champion--certain nations, faiths, minorities or causes during a campaign, we should be aware that the candidate's actions, if elected, may well be more extreme than originally posited during the campaign.

Which was kinda THU's point to begin with, IIRC, and the point that I was supporting when I entered this thread... ;)

But how has Obama acted in a similar way at all?
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Accepted.

Point made: if a religion or ideology followed by a candidate causes her or him to denounce or ridicule--or to champion--certain nations, faiths, minorities or causes during a campaign, we should be aware that the candidate's actions, if elected, may well be more extreme than originally posited during the campaign.

Which was kinda THU's point to begin with, IIRC, and the point that I was supporting when I entered this thread... ;)

But how has Obama acted in a similar way at all?

First, I have nothing in particular for or against Barack Obama. I rather like that he avoids sound bites more than many other candidates.

The point that THU was making that I strongly support is that his Islamic background is relevant. So is his background in a moderately elitist Hawaiian private school (current tuition $15,725 a year). So is the rest of his background. Who our politicians are is often more indicative of their direction as our leaders than their platforms are.
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Jayhawk Bill,Oct 25 2007
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The point that THU was making that I strongly support is that his Islamic background is relevant.  So is his background in a moderately elitist Hawaiian private school (current tuition $15,725 a year).

How is the part about the " somewhat elitist" Hawaiian school important at all?

I went to an elite school as well. It's in Ohio, cost $17,000 a year, and was rated among the top 100 private schools in the nation. Does that make me any less fit to run for office?

What if I add in these facts: My family couldn't afford the school, and I got a large chunk of it (more than 2/3) as a financial aid grant that I worked off by doing odd jobs around the school and keeping my grades up. This school was so hard that for students applying to UCLA, the admissions department would add about .3 to our GPA's when looking at potential admissions candidates. With this education, I was easily able to get into the college I wanted to attend and was able to graduate a semester early because of what work I had done in high school.

There's almost always more to a story than what is reported.
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How is the part about the " somewhat elitist" Hawaiian school important at all?


It's important if it makes a difference in the candidate's life. I was supporting THU's premise that background makes a difference.

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I went to an elite school as well.  It's in Ohio, cost $17,000 a year, and was rated among the top 100 private schools in the nation.  Does that make me any less fit to run for office?

What if I add in these facts:  My family couldn't afford the school, and I got a large chunk of it (more than 2/3) as a financial aid grant that I worked off by doing odd jobs around the school and keeping my grades up.  This school was so hard that for students applying to UCLA, the admissions department would add about .3 to our GPA's when looking at potential admissions candidates.  With this education, I was easily able to get into the college I wanted to attend and was able to graduate a semester early because of what work I had done in high school.


It appears that you believe that it made a difference in your life to attend such a school. Thanks for supporting me! ;)

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Of course. That's why research into who candidates are, and what their backgrounds are, is important.

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Jayhawk Bill,Oct 25 2007
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Accepted.

Point made: if a religion or ideology followed by a candidate causes her or him to denounce or ridicule--or to champion--certain nations, faiths, minorities or causes during a campaign, we should be aware that the candidate's actions, if elected, may well be more extreme than originally posited during the campaign.

Which was kinda THU's point to begin with, IIRC, and the point that I was supporting when I entered this thread... ;)

THU's point in beginning this thread was to link Barack Obama to Osama bin Laden, based solely on the facts that they are both men of color and had Muslim fathers.

I've known THU long enough to suspect when he says such things it is partly tongue-in-cheek.

I have read enough of your posts to suspect that you actually have no opinion on the topic whatsoever, but are responding in the thread merely to play devil's advocate with me.
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The school made a difference in my life, but was it for the better or worse?

Perhaps had I gone to a public high school, my grades likely would have been higher and perhaps could have gotten me into an even better college. Perhaps other aspects of the school have affected me in negative ways (it's an all-boys school, I was probably the poorest student there, and I lived an hour away making it hard to hang out with my friends who lived in the upscale suburbs around the school). Besides, are there any candidates anymore who didn't go to private schools and/or elite colleges?

And anyways, what's wrong with a certain education making a difference? What I find really funny/ironic/hypocritical is how many conservatives are in favor of school vouchers, but have made a big deal about Obama's educational background in private schools.
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