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Topic Started: Oct 23 2007, 10:04 PM (936 Views)
Caulfield
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I almost forgot, getting back to the original point, Romney isn't the first politician to accidentally call Obama "Osama." Ted Kennedy did it back in 2005.

Geez, what is it with Massachusetts politicians and slips of the tongue?
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kyyankgrrl,Oct 26 2007
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Jayhawk Bill,Oct 25 2007
08:21 PM
Accepted.

Point made: if a religion or ideology followed by a candidate causes her or him to denounce or ridicule--or to champion--certain nations, faiths, minorities or causes during a campaign, we should be aware that the candidate's actions, if elected, may well be more extreme than originally posited during the campaign.

Which was kinda THU's point to begin with, IIRC, and the point that I was supporting when I entered this thread... ;)


THU's point in beginning this thread was to link Barack Obama to Osama bin Laden, based solely on the facts that they are both men of color and had Muslim fathers.


Hmmm...let's check what he had to say to begin the thread:

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I've been waiting for someone to call Obama's bluff. I had a guy feeling for a long time about Obama and terrorist. I'm not saying they are the same, but I tihnk they are for the same goal.


As I read it, he's asserting that Barack Obama and Osama Bin Laden are not the same, but that he thinks or feels that they have similar goals.

Conversely, I entered the discussion only after these posts by THU:

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If Rudy's name was Milter and he went to a Nazi school then yes I would be agaisnt him or if he just had that little stache, that would be enough for me to be agasint him. Just so you know, I don't like the current pope and think they made a mistake.


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Barack “Hussein” Obama scares the bejesus out of me! Why? He’s a smooth talker and, like Bill Clinton, he seems to be coated with Teflon. Sadly, the most obvious disqualifier in our new world of terror, a middle-eastern name, is the one people seem the most willing to ignore. (I thought everybody and their dogs were watching 24!)

It seems that every article on Obama inserts “Christian” in the bio, yet his lineage and background appears anything but Christian. For example, his father was a devout Muslim, and his mom an atheist from the abortion capital of the world, Wichita, Kansas. I don’t buy the sales pitch that he has turned a new leaf. First, the man couldn’t be more pro-Abortion. While serving in the Illinois legislature he voted repeatedly against a law that would make it a crime for hospitals to dispose of still-breathing, alive, recently aborted children in what amounts to a garbage heap. The law “stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.” The same law was supported on the Federal level by none other than Senators Kerry, Kennedy and Clinton. Only after Obama took up residence in D.C. did the Illinois law pass. Moreover, he is adamantly opposed to the Partial Birth Abortion ban on the national level, which tells me that he hasn’t changed a bit.

I’ll give Democrats some leeway if they at least draw the line at partially delivering a baby, then killing the child via scissors in the back of the head and sucking the brains out, but not drawing a line at all is downright putrid, even by atheistic and satanic standards. (All abortions should be illegal, but I won’t go there.)

In summation, Obama claims to be a Christian, yet he has consistently taken sides with the ungodly. I have no doubt that he may be “religious,” but not Christian. I suspect that radical Muslims have no problem with Christians and other infidels killing their unborn children. It’s the modus operandi of the fanatics of Islam. Convert all you can, then kill the rest; if they kill themselves, all the better. A visit to your neighborhood abortion clinic will likely reveal that the vast majority of abortions are performed on middle class girls and women, with the poor conspicuously absent. As a Democratic Hispanic friend of mine observed: it’s not Hispanics and Blacks getting abortions, so it really isn’t their problem; it’s mostly reserved for Anglo-Americans. I also suspect that none of the patrons are Muslims.


If a Democrat has to be president, I’d take anyone over Obama, even...I won't go there either.


In these two posts, THU is drawing a link between Senator Obama's Islamic roots and his inclination not to support him, given our current world situation. You countered him with this post:

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Any group called "rightwingagenda" is about as unbiased as you can get, I'm sure.

The fact that Obama doesn't feel the need to force his personal religious views onto others makes me admire and support him all the more.

Are you implying all Muslims should be painted with the same brush? Do you also apply that standard to all Christians? All Jewish people?


Where you refused to acknowledge the quality of his logic, you insulted his choice of source, you cited as fact something that you cannot be sure of (given Obama's lack of Executive position on his resume), and you insulted the use of an individual's faith as an element by which a candidate should be judged.

I responded that faith can be an important consideration.

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I've known THU long enough to suspect when he says such things it is partly tongue-in-cheek.

I have read enough of your posts to suspect that you actually have no opinion on the topic whatsoever, but are responding in the thread merely to play devil's advocate with me.


How would you know my opinions or motivations without asking? *idunno*
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kyyankgrrl,Oct 24 2007
04:56 PM
Typical Repub tactics - taking cheap, irrelevant shots at their superiors.

Actually it's usually liberals who try to take cheap shots at conservatives. Every single time, it's the dems who end up trying to own the republicans, and they usually end up making themselves look like what their party symbol suggests. Cheap shots, including calling a 4 Star General, and patriot a liar, and nicknaming him "Betrayus" is a real cheap shot. That's the far left for you though.
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Republicans are so fucking stupid. Are you seriously not going to vote for someone because his name sounds remotely like Osama? Jesus Christ, you guys are genious.
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It may also he has ties to muslims and grew up one himself then jumped on the Christian bandwagon to try to get more votes. I hate him since he smokes. I'd like a smoke free America and having a president who lights up could really hurt that.
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Crushed Optimism,Oct 27 2007
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Republicans are so fucking stupid. Are you seriously not going to vote for someone because his name sounds remotely like Osama? Jesus Christ, you guys are genious.

Pardon, are you referring to me?

I strongly believe that Islamic schooling and family background matter. I don't think that I've ever said that I wouldn't vote for Barack Obama....nor that I'm a Republican.

I can, however, spell "genius." ;)
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TheHugeUnit,Oct 27 2007
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It may also he has ties to muslims and grew up one himself then jumped on the Christian bandwagon to try to get more votes. I hate him since he smokes. I'd like a smoke free America and having a president who lights up could really hurt that.

Does having "ties" to Muslims automatically make Barack Obama a bad person and not qualified to be president?
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no, his liberal beliefs make him a bad choice for president and the fact that he has very limited politcal experience
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Political experince doesn't mean shit. Bush has had years in the white house, and look at him. I'd rather just have someone that speaks the truth.

Like Ron Paul. Or Dennis Kucinich. They are the only ones who tell it like it is.
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Element,Oct 27 2007
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Like Ron Paul. Or Dennis Kucinich. They are the only ones who tell it like it is.

I'd vote for either one of them--I know what both of them stand for.

The greatest danger, IMO, is that individuals come to office and change their platforms so often. The two men you mentioned would not do that--they've taken such terrible risks regarding nomination in stating their platforms that I'm sure that they'd stay on course if somehow, against significant odds, either one were elected.
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Kucinich's economic "expertise" prevents me from voting for him.

Only one city has declared bankruptcy since the Great Depression. That city was Cleveland. Its mayor was a young man named Dennis Kucinich.

As an aside, in 2004, if you googled the term "crapweasel," the first site on the list was Dennis Kucinich's page. However, it has since changed.
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