| Welcome to Die Hard Baseball. We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
| Wives, be submissive to your husbands; EWTN Answer | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 8 2007, 11:40 PM (1,308 Views) | |
| kyyankgrrl | Nov 11 2007, 04:45 AM Post #21 |
![]()
Feminist & Proud
![]()
|
A malignant tumor in your body is a growing, living thing. It depends on your body for its continued growth and survival. Do you have the right to have it surgically removed, or use chemotherapy or radiation to kill it? Why do you have the right to kill that tumor? Because it's harming your body? Guess what - so does childbearing. I've always thought there is a simple solution to the abortion "problem": If a woman is pregnant and does not want to be, simply remove the embryo from the uterus and place it on a table. If it's a "living person", it should do just fine. I am always amused by men who get worked up into a lather over the abortion issue. Until the government passes laws ordering you to grow things inside your body, you really need to give it a rest. |
![]() Sig by Detroittigerfan28 In politics, if you want anything said, ask a man; if you want anything done, ask a woman. - Margaret Thatcher I never married because there was no need. I have three pets at home which answer the same purpose as a husband. I have a dog that growls every morning, a parrot that swears all afternoon, and a cat that comes home late at night - Marie Corelli (19th century author) Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase. - Martin Luther King, Jr. | |
![]() |
|
| kyyankgrrl | Nov 11 2007, 04:49 AM Post #22 |
![]()
Feminist & Proud
![]()
|
The Lord could also reply: "I have created many people to cure the dread diseases of the world. Unfortunately, they were not allowed to get educations, were forced to spend their lives in childbearing, and eventually died before the age of 50 from the ravages this took on their bodies." |
![]() Sig by Detroittigerfan28 In politics, if you want anything said, ask a man; if you want anything done, ask a woman. - Margaret Thatcher I never married because there was no need. I have three pets at home which answer the same purpose as a husband. I have a dog that growls every morning, a parrot that swears all afternoon, and a cat that comes home late at night - Marie Corelli (19th century author) Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase. - Martin Luther King, Jr. | |
![]() |
|
| hankaaron44 | Nov 11 2007, 01:02 PM Post #23 |
![]()
Canada
![]()
|
Nobody told them to have sex. |
| |
![]() |
|
| Jayhawk Bill | Nov 11 2007, 01:56 PM Post #24 |
|
Really old guy
![]()
|
If there is a Hell, I'll probably see you there. I rather doubt that such a place exists, however. *** A fetus is a life. That's pretty clear. Whether or not that life has legal rights, it's a life. At the same time, there's nothing elsewhere in our code of laws, as far as I know, that requires an individual to make biological sacrifice to save another's life. I know a mother who denied her twenty-something daughter a kidney transplant, resulting in her daughter's death. That was inconceivable from my ethics, but it was legal. An abortion during the first two trimesters is no different, IMO. Pragmatically, were it prohibited we'd just have poor girls mutilating themselves with coat hangers and rich girls flying overseas for abortions, just as things were when I was young. I don't like abortion, but I see little option to allowing it to continue legally. Third-trimester abortion is very different. That's a case of a woman choosing to kill a fetus that would otherwise be viable because she has determined that she doesn't want the responsibility. That's heinous. The equivalent is a male right to actual abortion: the fetus doesn't need the male's body to develop, but the biological father is permitted to kill the fetus to dodge responsibility. A third-trimester abortion kills what would otherwise be a baby human--a human with full protection under law--because of the technicality that, despite viability, it hadn't yet been born. Radical feminists assert a woman's absolute right to kill a fetus within her womb. Beyond the point of possible viability--viability with proper medical care, not viability if left to die from exposure on a barren table in a test devised by misanthropes hiding their hatred with a thin veneer of feminism--beyond the point of viability "abortion" is a code word for "murder." |
![]() |
|
| Rockshu | Nov 11 2007, 02:08 PM Post #25 |
![]()
Professional Indian
![]()
|
I really think unless you've personally experienced this you shouldn't be a critic. For example, I can say right now that I'd never kill someone because that's a terrible thing to do. However, if you strap an American Flag to my chest, put a rifle in my arms, and throw me into downtown Iraq, chances are I'd end up killing someone while trying to save my own ass. You never know what you'd be willing to do until it personally affects you. |
![]() |
|
| hankaaron44 | Nov 11 2007, 03:49 PM Post #26 |
![]()
Canada
![]()
|
I'll agree with you there. You kill to save your own life, but that's it. |
| |
![]() |
|
| T-O | Nov 11 2007, 03:53 PM Post #27 |
![]()
|
I know… I know I said that I may not be posting on this board anymore since I Had no intention of irritating people unnecessarily. But its difficult to stand back and let things go by without saying something. I support MO right down the line on this. But let me also say this, that I am surprised by a couple of things that have gone down. For one, there is no room for barroom and gutter talk when referring to someone and or his/her beliefs. It is very true that those type of comments reflect only back to the one who said them, and it really is a sign of a weak mind that is trying to forcefully express itself. Give up the garbage talk please and keep your comments clean. Your thoughts can be expressed decently if you try a little. I have seen a lot of mention on the various threads about things going on in the world. Few seem to know exactly why, but things really are in a mess. There has been talk about feminism, abortion, headship recently. Both pro and con. But did you know that the bible describes what will be taking place in the last days of this system? These are signs, that God’s word gives us to help us understand where we are in the stream of time. Here is just ONE indication, found at 2 Timothy 3 verses 1-5. “But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away”. Can anyone seriously dispute that these are just some of the conditions that prevail around the entire world today. As Hank mentioned, the world of mankind is sick, very sick. As for the topic of headship. Mo mentioned some of the bible principles to follow when it comes to headship. But a close look at this instruction can give us the very crux of this command from Jehovah God. Christians especially should already know that headship is a principle from Gods word, and yet I see some on here disregarding this and offering their own ideas of how it should be. As Mo stated, the man is the head of the woman and Christ is the head of the man and the congregation of his people. At the same time Christ is under the headship of Jehovah. (No Trinity here by the way).. Now if you look carefully at the entire context of things you would realize that this is NOT a master and slave arrangement. Just as a member of the Christian congregation willingly and without compulsion puts themselves under Christs headship, so the woman does with her husband who has been given the command by Christ himself, that he must govern himself and his family in a loving way. Ky mentioned I believe, that many over the years have used the instruction from the bible to lord it over underlings, most times in a vicious manner. That only reflects on the wickedness in those persons hearts, their self serving interests, and in NO WAY does it reflect on the principles as outlined in scripture. These principles, when understood in the proper light, are entirely different than what some have usurped for their own advantage. I would like to give you a few excerpts from some of the information that we as JW’s are obliged to follow, and I say obliged because it is a direct command from Gods word. So not only does a woman submit to her husbands headship willingly, but the man also submits to headship, that of Christ, and also Christ, submits to the headship of Jehovah. This is Almighty God’s wisdom and love at work. And it does work when applied in the loving manner that it is required to be. AT NO TIME, does the man have the right to mistreat his wife or family but he is to treat them the same way that he himself would want to be treated. To do otherwise would be a flagrant disregard of righteous principles. The basic principle of headship is set out at 1 Corinthians 11:3: “The head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.” Man’s Place. The first part of this counsel on headship applied to the man; he is not independent and without need to recognize a “head.” Rather, he is obliged to follow the directions and pattern provided by his head, Christ. (1Jo 2:6) This is so not only in regard to his religious activities (Mt 28:19, 20) but also in his personal activities. For instance, if he is a family man, then out of respect for his own head, Christ, he should comply with the counsel to dwell with his wife according to knowledge, ‘assigning her honor as to a weaker vessel,’ and he should put forth an earnest effort to train his children properly. (1Pe 3:7; Eph 6:4) This counsel was provided in the Bible for all in Christ’s congregation; so respect for headship is involved in a man’s heeding it.—Eph 5:23. As man had priority in human creation, he is given priority of position over the woman. (1Ti 2:12, 13) The woman was made from a rib taken from the man and was bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh. (Ge 2:22, 23) She was created for the sake of the man, not the man for her sake. (1Co 11:9) Therefore, the woman, in God’s arrangement for the family, was always to be in subjection to her husband and was not to usurp his authority. (Eph 5:22, 23; 1Pe 3:1) Also, in the Christian congregation the woman is not to teach other dedicated men nor to exercise authority over them.—1Ti 2:12. Among the Hebrews of ancient times the superior position occupied by the man in the family and in the tribal arrangement was recognized. Sarah was submissive, calling Abraham “lord,” and is favorably mentioned for this recognition of his headship. (Ge 18:12; 1Pe 3:5, 6) Under the Law covenant the preferred position of the male was emphasized. Only the males were required by command to assemble for the three festivals of Jehovah at the place that God chose, although women also attended. (De 16:16) Woman’s Place. In ancient times, there were circumstances under which a woman put on a head covering to denote subjection. (Ge 24:65) Discussing the headship arrangement in the Christian congregation, the apostle Paul explained that if a woman prays or prophesies in the congregation, occupying a position God has assigned to the man, she should have on a head covering. In temporarily doing these things because no dedicated male Christian is present to do them, even though she may have long hair, the woman should not argue that her long hair is sufficient to denote her subjection. Instead, she should let her own actions demonstrate her submissiveness and her acknowledgment of man’s headship. The Christian woman does this by wearing a head covering as “a sign of authority.” This should be done “because of the angels,” who observe the Christian’s actions and who, as those ministering to the Christian congregation, are concerned with it. By wearing a head covering when necessary for spiritual reasons, the Christian woman acknowledges God’s headship arrangement.—1Co 11:5-16; Heb 1:14. This proper theocratic order in the congregation and in the family arrangement does not hinder the woman in serving God, nor does it impede her efforts in carrying out her family activities and responsibilities. It allows her full and Scriptural freedom to serve in her place, while still being pleasing to God in harmony with the principle: “God has set the members in the body, each one of them, just as he pleased.” (1Co 12:18) Many women of ancient times had fine privileges while recognizing the headship of the man and enjoyed happy and satisfying lives. Among these were Sarah, Rebekah, Abigail, and Christian women such as Priscilla and Phoebe. Responsibility. The exercise of authorized headship grants certain rights, but it also involves duties or obligations. ‘Christ is head of the congregation’ and so has the right to make decisions involving it and demonstrate authority over it. (Eph 5:23) But his headship also obliges him to accept the duty of caring for the congregation and bearing responsibility for his decisions. In a similar manner, a husband in exercising his headship has certain rights as to making final decisions and providing oversight. In addition, though, he has the duty to accept responsibility for his family. He has the primary obligation to provide materially and spiritually for his household.—1Ti 5:8. The Christian man is to exercise his headship wisely, loving his wife as himself. (Eph 5:33) Jesus Christ exercises his headship over the Christian congregation in this manner. (Eph 5:28, 29) As head over his children, a father is not to irritate them but is to bring them up “in the discipline and mental-regulating of Jehovah.” (Eph 6:4) And as shepherds of the flock of God, “older men” in the Christian congregation are not to lord it over God’s “sheep” but are to remember their subjection to Jesus Christ and Jehovah God. (1Pe 5:1-4) Jesus Christ has always acted in accord with the headship principle, manifesting full recognition of his Father’s headship in word and deed. Even after ruling the earth for a thousand years, he will acknowledge Jehovah’s universal headship by handing the Kingdom over to Jehovah, subjecting “himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.” (1Co 15:24-28; Joh 5:19, 30; 8:28; 14:28; Php 2:5-8) Christians, followers of Jesus Christ, also acknowledge Jehovah’s supreme headship, addressing their prayers to him and recognizing him as Father and God Almighty.—Mt 6:9; Re 1:8; 11:16, 17. Sorry for the long post. There is so much more that could be added. |
![]() |
|
| MoRivera | Nov 11 2007, 04:00 PM Post #28 |
|
Obi-Wan Kenobi
![]()
|
those who are pro-abortion are anti-family and anti-life |
| Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well. | |
![]() |
|
| MoRivera | Nov 11 2007, 09:35 PM Post #29 |
|
Obi-Wan Kenobi
![]()
|
Great post, Telegraph. I surely don't agree with everything you said (for example when you bring up the Trinity) but I agree with your overall point as well. I find it hard and I will always find it hard to see how someone who claims to be a Christian believes so many un-Christian things. The world is full of these people. Liberal Christians are wrong. Liberalism is an enemy and a threat to Christianity. Their pro-death, pro-hatred outlooks go against everything the Bible has taught us. Abortion, Feminism are the utmost evils. The Catholic Church refers to abortion as "the unspeakable crime". A Christian can not be pro-choice. Its an oxymoron. Why? Because you are disrespecting and disregarding precious life God has created. We can conclude that one does not love God if one approves of child murder. Please, don't be afraid or hesitant to respond. We need all the help we can get when it comes to defending unborn children and their right to live too. Those greedy, self-centered "Christians" |
| Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well. | |
![]() |
|
| MoRivera | Nov 11 2007, 09:44 PM Post #30 |
|
Obi-Wan Kenobi
![]()
|
do that to a newborn baby and see what happens. I thought so. |
| Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well. | |
![]() |
|
| mpic92 | Nov 11 2007, 10:43 PM Post #31 |
![]()
|
Not at all, your jumping towards a basic, non-provable statement. We obviously have a big dissagreement here but you can't say something like that. Anti-family? How so? I'm killing life? I want what's best for the person. Why be against abortion, when if that baby has to be born, it will have a terrible life. |
![]() |
|
| Rockshu | Nov 11 2007, 11:03 PM Post #32 |
![]()
Professional Indian
![]()
|
God isn't real so I can do whatever the fuck I want. Hooray. |
![]() |
|
| MoRivera | Nov 11 2007, 11:04 PM Post #33 |
|
Obi-Wan Kenobi
![]()
|
those who are pro-abortion are going to be pro-gay marriage as well. Gay marriage is anti-family. You want whats best for the person. So do I. Murder is never necessary. |
| Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well. | |
![]() |
|
| Rockshu | Nov 11 2007, 11:09 PM Post #34 |
![]()
Professional Indian
![]()
|
Dude, no. If I've learned anything from religious folk, it's that they're complete hypocrites. Someone supports one passage in the bible because they believe it's right, but they don't follow/agree with a large portion of the other passages because it doesn't suit their lifestyle. You can preach about abortion all you want, but if there somehow actually exists a superior being, you're just as sinful in his eyes for masturbating as I am for being pro-abortion. There is no "sin gradient". In god's eyes by jerkin off you are just as bad as a murderer. |
![]() |
|
| MoRivera | Nov 11 2007, 11:12 PM Post #35 |
|
Obi-Wan Kenobi
![]()
|
um, no, you are wrong. Stealing a cookie is just as bad as murder. Are you non-Ethical? |
| Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well. | |
![]() |
|
| Rockshu | Nov 11 2007, 11:14 PM Post #36 |
![]()
Professional Indian
![]()
|
Find me a chart somewhere in the bible where it has a list of sins with the specific punishment for that crime. Oh wait, there isn't one. If you sin, you go to hell. Stealing is a sin. Murder is a sin. Jerking off is a sin. You're going to hell for each and every one of those. |
![]() |
|
| MoRivera | Nov 11 2007, 11:25 PM Post #37 |
|
Obi-Wan Kenobi
![]()
|
there is not a human on this earth that is not absolutely full of sin. Even babies are full or mortal sin because they come from a sinful mother. You just don't understand what you're even talking about before you attempt to make an argument. |
| Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well. | |
![]() |
|
| mpic92 | Nov 11 2007, 11:41 PM Post #38 |
![]()
|
But why is gay-marriage anti-family? It may not follow the tradition that you've been raised to know, but there is nothing wrong about it. Someones sexual preference should be their decision. It doesn't affect you, it doesn't hurt anyone. |
![]() |
|
| Element | Nov 12 2007, 01:41 AM Post #39 |
|
The Original
![]()
|
I find that hilarious from someone who spews neo com right wing religious bullshit with each post. |
![]() ![]() ![]()
| |
![]() |
|
| kyyankgrrl | Nov 12 2007, 04:18 AM Post #40 |
![]()
Feminist & Proud
![]()
|
I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-choice. I believe every woman knows what is in her own best interest - it is not my place to decide for her. And yes, I am very much pro-gay marriage. If two consenting adults love each other, who am I to tell them their love is "wrong"? A few years ago, a gay couple wanted to adopt 4 siblings in foster care - 3 boys and a girl. The foster family - a husband and wife - didn't mind the gay men adopting the little boys, but said their home wouldn't be a proper "environment" for the little girl. A later newspaper article showed how the little boys living with the gay couple were happy, healthy, and doing excellent work in school. The little girl? She had been placed in another foster home because the foster father in the "proper environment" was sexually abusing her. |
![]() Sig by Detroittigerfan28 In politics, if you want anything said, ask a man; if you want anything done, ask a woman. - Margaret Thatcher I never married because there was no need. I have three pets at home which answer the same purpose as a husband. I have a dog that growls every morning, a parrot that swears all afternoon, and a cat that comes home late at night - Marie Corelli (19th century author) Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase. - Martin Luther King, Jr. | |
![]() |
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · Politics · Next Topic » |

















7:51 PM Jul 10