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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 4 2007, 04:18 PM (792 Views) | |
| T-O | Dec 4 2007, 04:18 PM Post #1 |
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Please refrain from filthy language. It doesnt impress anyone anyway and add's nothing to a conversation while expressing your feelings. Anyone know why Christmas is celebrated? |
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| bostonfanatic87 | Dec 4 2007, 04:20 PM Post #2 |
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The real Christmas or the commercial holiday it is now. It's still loosely related to religion, but barely so. |
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| kyyankgrrl | Dec 4 2007, 05:13 PM Post #3 |
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To celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. Is December 25 the actual date of Christ's birth? No one knows, probably not. The exact date doesn't really matter; only that Christians acknowledge and celebrate His birth, life, death, and resurrection. |
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| nath87 | Dec 4 2007, 06:14 PM Post #4 |
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I just enjoy the holidays to meet with family and relax and eat . lol |
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| Crushed Optimism | Dec 4 2007, 07:21 PM Post #5 |
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hella fithy two oh sickness
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I LIEK PREZZENTS. |
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| Element | Dec 4 2007, 07:28 PM Post #6 |
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| T-O | Dec 4 2007, 10:21 PM Post #7 |
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Well I am thinking of the reasons for celebrating the real Xmas, but its all so tied together now. I still wonder what the reason for celebrating Xmas is when just looking at the religious significance of it. |
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| T-O | Dec 4 2007, 10:24 PM Post #8 |
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No, its pretty obvious that Dec 25th isnt the date as for one thing the shepherds were still in the fields with their flocks and around that area of the world its winter time and they would have their flocks in by that time. The actual date is most likely around Oct 1st. The Catholic encyclopedia states that as well. However, how very important is it really to celebrate his birthday. Do you think its VERY important? |
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| T-O | Dec 4 2007, 10:26 PM Post #9 |
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Yeah, thats always nice, but you can do that any time of the year. And most likely do. But a good answer. |
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| T-O | Dec 4 2007, 10:29 PM Post #10 |
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Yeah.. We all do I would think. And do you enjoy giving them? Actually the bible says there is more joy in giving than receiving. That is a very true statement. I am not speaking of the forced giving at Xmas, but the giving when the time is right, like during an emergency or just to cheer up a friend etc. |
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| jaysdude09 | Dec 4 2007, 10:47 PM Post #11 |
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I think Christmas has grown into something away from what it was intended to be. Now, the holiday is just one where people have a great time, get off work/school, get presents, and enjoy the time they get with their family. Most people now (especially the young) don't celebrate christmas because of Jesus, but for themselves and their family. |
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| kyyankgrrl | Dec 5 2007, 05:33 AM Post #12 |
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Too bad you're on Santa's list for a lump of coal this year!! :lol: |
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| kyyankgrrl | Dec 5 2007, 05:41 AM Post #13 |
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I think it is extremely important - vital - to celebrate Christ's birth. Every day, we celebrate birthdays of people who lie to us, cheat, steal, and act in totally selfish ways. Men and women will throw elaborate parties for spouses who will cheat on them; parents buy expensive toys for ungrateful children who will break them within hours; people will attend birthday parties of neighbors, then go home and laugh at how ugly their new sofa is or how they got ripped off on their new roof. So what is the harm in honoring the birth of one who came to this earth solely for us, one whose selflessness will NEVER be equalled by any earthly person? |
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| OriolesManiac88 | Dec 5 2007, 09:56 AM Post #14 |
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Well, I get to spend time with my family. Then theres the whole gift thing. Who doesn't like receiving gifts? Oo, and we get off of school! |
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| Caulfield | Dec 5 2007, 12:30 PM Post #15 |
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Simply, it's a pagan feast day for celebrating the birth of the Sun (or Son in Christianity). Many pre-Christian religions celebrated at this time because December 21 was the day of the year with the least sunlight. The Sun had died. By December 25, days became longer: the Sun had been reborn. When Constantine adopted Christianity for the Roman Empire, the feast of the Son, was placed on the feast of the Sun. Similar religion, different names. I could go on and on about this (I've been reading a few books lately on how pretty much every religion is intertwined with the same stories under different names), but I don't want to hijack the topic too much. If you go on the pagan roots of pretty much every religion, Jesus, as the Son of God, is also a Sun figure. The trinity of Father-Son-Holy Spirit can be seen in many areas: the father-son-mother triumvirate of God-Jesus-Mary, Nimrod-Tammuz-Semiramis, Osiris-Horus-Isis, Zeus-Apollo-Leto, etc. Jesus is the Son of God the Father and is often represented with sun and light symbols (the Christmas song Silent Night contains in its third verse the line "Son of God, love's pure light"). Tammuz is the son of Nimrod and is often represented by the sun. Same with Apollo and Horus. Sun figures are often represented by symbols such as an eye, a crown (Jesus' crown of thorns, anyone? Kings' crowns?), a white horse (Apollo's chariot was drawn by white horses, and the white horse is also a Phoenician symbol; occasionally the black horse and the black sun are used as a Satanic symbol, note the opposites of white and black), or the cross and its variations (often a red cross on a white field, though many other representations are out there). This is pretty much the only reason Christmas is where it is. If we were to follow the actual roots of the alleged date of Christ's birth, the celebration would have been in either late fall (October) or early spring (February) in the Middle East. |
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| T-O | Dec 5 2007, 02:00 PM Post #16 |
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Caulfield has already outlined the paganistic reasons behind Christmas and that is one big reason why JW’s don’t celebrate Xmas. His/her background info is basically correct although his/her reasonings on it are to some extent at least, his/her own, and not necessarily ours. KY.. Here is your quote.. I think it is extremely important - vital - to celebrate Christ's birth. Every day, we celebrate birthdays of people who lie to us, cheat, steal, and act in totally selfish ways. Men and women will throw elaborate parties for spouses who will cheat on them; parents buy expensive toys for ungrateful children who will break them within hours; people will attend birthday parties of neighbors, then go home and laugh at how ugly their new sofa is or how they got ripped off on their new roof. So what is the harm in honoring the birth of one who came to this earth solely for us, one whose selflessness will NEVER be equalled by any earthly person? Reply.. You also have made some very good points, but they are not reason enough for us to celebrate the birth of Christ. Our reasoning is entirely from the bible. For instance.. IF his birthday was to be celebrated, and so vital as some might think, then reason on this for a moment. Why did Jehovah God NOT state in the bible as to when his birthday actually was, and why is there absolutely NO mention of the fact that we should celebrate his birthday. The early Christians in Jesus day, and Jesus himself NEVER celebrated Jesus birthday. There is NO record of this happening, quite the contrary actually according to historians of those days, and birthday celebrations in general were shunned by the early Christians. Now we are not trying to be anti this or anti that. But we are vitally concerned about worshipping God in the way that HE wants us to. IF it is as vital as that, surely God would have indicated this in Holy Scripture and not left it up to the Catholic church to say that the pagan celebrations were sanctified and then tied it all together with Christs birthday and everything celebrated together as one. The fact is that God’s word condemns pagan worship with its debased activities even up to the point of human sacrifices including babies and young children. Horrible in God’s sight. And yet the church made it “CLEAN” and mixed it in with the birth of Jesus !!!! Then of course there are the outright “lies” about the account in the bible that the churches have promulgated for so many years that have misled people. For instance, we are always reminded of the so called 3 wise men. The bible doesn’t say there were 3. The story that they came to Jesus as a babe in a manger with their gifts is incorrect. The bible says that he was already a “young boy” living in a house when they found him. Minor points? Not really. They are untruths. Whatever happened to “let God be true, though every man a liar”? To be acceptable to God, we must worship him in “spirit and in truth” as the bible states. Yes or course, the fact that he was born was good news, but what REALLY matters is how he remained faithful to his Father Jehovah throughout his life. Right up to the point of death, and that is the ONLY part of this that the bible commands that we do. I could go on about all the hideous parts of Xmas, like this is the worst time of the year for police, crime rates are the highest including murders, especially amongst family members. The drunkenness, the debauchery of all sorts, the gluttony, envies, rivalries and on and on. DOES ANYONE THINK THAT JESUS HIMSELF WOULD APPROVE OF XMAS AND DO YOU THINK HE WOULD CELEBRATE XMAS IF HE WERE ON EARTH TODAY? Obviously not. He didn’t celebrate his birthday while on earth and he certainly would not now. Neither do we for the same reasons. Just another gross sin that the churches of Christendom have fostered for so many centuries. They indeed have a lot to answer for and as Revelation 18: 4,5 says of false religion… “And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind.” Thanks for listening. Please reason on it. |
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| Jayhawk Bill | Dec 5 2007, 10:33 PM Post #17 |
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Nice post, T-O. |
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| T-O | Dec 6 2007, 05:52 PM Post #18 |
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Thanks Hawk.. I would like to clarify something. JW's do not do certain things just to be different. However, at times it does make us different, because we are committed to worshipping God in the way that He wants, not the way that WE would like it to be. Jesus said that we MUST worship Jehovah in spirit and in truth. "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth." John 4:23,24.. We must have Jehovah's holy spirit, and we must determine the truth from His word the bible in order to gain His approval. Jesus emphasized that God wants true worship. This shows that there are forms of worship unacceptable to Jehovah. To worship God means to give him reverent honor and to render sacred service to him. If you wanted to show honor to a powerful ruler, likely you would be eager to serve him and do what would please him. Surely, then, we want to please God. Rather than merely say, ‘My religion suits me,’ we therefore need to make sure that our worship meets God’s requirements. Therefore if a celebration like Xmas for instance is involved, we MUST determine if that celebration is acceptable to Almighty God. Since Xmas is steeped in paganism, drunkeness, debauchery of all sorts, crime, hatred, forced giving of gifts, lies and untruths of many kinds, and the fact that neither Jesus nor his disciples observed Jesus birthday, it is imperative that anyone who wants to please God MUST shun things like this that are so closely associated with the activities of the Xmas celebrations. And its not only Xmas. There are MANY things that ALL people do, Christian and non Christian that are far from acceptable to God. This includes not only unfavourable celebrations, but things like being involved in wars and killing other human beings, EVEN ONES OF THEIR OWN FAITH MANY TIMES. Adultery, fornication, stealing, hatred and on and on. These are traits of an ungodly world, and OFTEN condoned by the clergy. The crux of the situation is that when God cleans up this world and brings in the new system after Armageddon, there will be no room for those who practise these things, otherwise we would have the same horrific conditions then as we do now. One has to do what the apostle Paul said, that we must make our minds over, and get rid of those former things that we practised that are totally unacceptable to God. |
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| MoRivera | Dec 7 2007, 12:05 AM Post #19 |
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Merry Christmas? I'm offended. I promote "Happy Holidays" :rolleyes: But seriously, I think the Catholic Newspaper was accurate in saying that Jehovah Witnesses (along with Mormons) are not Christians. |
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| T-O | Dec 7 2007, 01:38 AM Post #20 |
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MO.. Did they give any reason why they said that? I think its been pretty obvious on here lately that JW's are excellent Christians, but why did they say that? Thanks |
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