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| Jesus never interferred with politics, why do you? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 17 2007, 12:55 PM (714 Views) | |
| nath87 | Dec 17 2007, 12:55 PM Post #1 |
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In Jesus's time, he always refused to be involved in politics, because that was not his goal. he did not want to be in politics. Whenever he as asked to comment on a current political event in his time, he never had a comment. So my question is, why are the catholics and other forms of christianity so eager to be involved in politics, when infact they shouldn't be involved at all (if they were following the path the Jesus took). |
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| T-O | Dec 17 2007, 01:22 PM Post #2 |
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Nath you are right on the money with this question. Jesus always made it very plain that his kingdom was no part of this world. Other comments from the Christians of Jesus time... The Textbook of Christianity, the Bible, tells us why those early Christians shunned politics. It shows that a fundamental principle of Christianity is separateness from the world. And the early Christians changed their lives to live up to this requirement for right worship. Said the Bible writer James: “The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.” “Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.” To delve into politics would mean to show friendship for the world, and to show friendship for the world would mean to make oneself an enemy of God. That is why the early Christians shunned politics.—Jas. 1:27; 4:4, NW. How many religions members can look at their religion and say "no, we do not support this worlds politics or advocate one politician over another". This is why Jehovah's Witnesses refuse to be involved in politics and all that goes along with it. Like killing other people when politicians say we must, as an example. At the same time, the bible says we are in subjection to their rulership, such as obeying the laws of the land, pay taxes honestly etc, but when it comes to a conflict with God's laws, then we MUST draw the line. What did Jesus say? Pay unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's but to God the things that are God's. Isnt it odd that people of all religions elect certain ones to office and by the time their term is finished they actually hate that person in many cases. And when was the last time any government actually made the world a safer or better place to be on a lasting basis? JW's give allegiance to God's Kingdom government. That is the same one that Jesus prayed for it to come when he stated what is called the "Lords prayer". Math 6: 9,10.. Nath.. Thanks for that unexpected but very true post. |
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| nath87 | Dec 17 2007, 01:29 PM Post #3 |
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Thanks for the response, it made pretty good sense. I got the idea of the thread yesterday watching a show on CNN called "God's Warriors", where they spent a lot of time talking to different pastor's in the United States to see their different points of view on Religion and the World. One of the pastor's made the statement that Jesus never interferred with politics and that's why he doesn't concern himself with politics. So I wanted to see how much truth there was to that, thanks for the post T-O. I also want to see a few other opinions on this. (the catholic side, and other sides if possible.) |
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| T-O | Dec 17 2007, 01:40 PM Post #4 |
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I saw part of that same show. The fact is that the religions of the world have, as the bible says, prostituted themselves to the world and its politics. In Revelation it describes the worlds religions as a harlot riding on the political wild beast. |
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| Bloss | Dec 17 2007, 03:12 PM Post #5 |
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George Washtion didnt use a Political party so why do we now? |
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| T-O | Dec 17 2007, 09:31 PM Post #6 |
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Nath.. Are you still waiting for a reply? I am very interested to read any that may be forthcoming. |
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| hankaaron44 | Dec 18 2007, 01:05 AM Post #7 |
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Was Washington Catholic? I'm wondering if that had any ties to him not running for a third term because he felt he had reached the maximum in distance away from God's Kingdom and he felt enlightened in a way that politics was not going to get him anywhere after death. Then of course this lead to the "unwritten rule" that presidends shouldn't run for more than two terms whicher later did become a written rule. |
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| bostonfanatic87 | Dec 18 2007, 02:33 AM Post #8 |
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Yeah, he warned of the dangers of partisanship. |
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| nath87 | Dec 18 2007, 05:11 PM Post #9 |
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yea I'm still waiting for a few more people with some answers, it would be nice to here what others have to say too
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| nath87 | Dec 18 2007, 05:14 PM Post #10 |
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What I find funny in the first place is, from my understanding (I can be wrong on this so correct me), is that the americans originally came to america to escape the religious powers in europe. It's funny to look at how it has changed now... Where "God" is mentioned at every political speech. Wasn't the country based on being free from religious beleifs ? Now look at what's happened... |
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| bostonfanatic87 | Dec 18 2007, 05:32 PM Post #11 |
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Haha well, the religious freedom that the Puritans wanted that they didn't get, was the free ability to persecute people of other religious beliefs. |
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| MoRivera | Dec 18 2007, 06:02 PM Post #12 |
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Thats so simple its not even funny. Democrats want to abort our children and allow gays to marry. This STRONGLY goes against the teachings of Jesus. They wouldn't be defending their own faith if they didn't inject their beliefs into such arguments. Democrats present pro-abortionists and gay rights activists. Two issues Jesus teaches us against, as well. The Catholic Church is only teaching what Jesus taught. |
| Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well. | |
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| bostonfanatic87 | Dec 18 2007, 06:09 PM Post #13 |
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Yawn. Nobody wants to abort your children. You try to make it out to be a forced procedure, as if a doctors gonna kidnap a woman on the street and abort her child, and no, Jesus did not preach against abortion, it didn't exist haha. |
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| nath87 | Dec 18 2007, 06:20 PM Post #14 |
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yea but they are not beleivers of Jesus and Christianity. They are not forcing abortion on the christians. They are merely doing what they want to do. |
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| bostonfanatic87 | Dec 18 2007, 07:59 PM Post #15 |
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"Its not for you to say what every heart should pay, it's another body and soul that isn't your own" |
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| MoRivera | Dec 18 2007, 08:45 PM Post #16 |
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If you are a Christian, you believe that Jesus is God. The Bible is the Word of God, written physically though man. Therefore, what God had to say in the Bible is entirely the words of Jesus. We are taught, by Jeremiah 1:5, that ""Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations." From this, we can derive that before a human being was ever conceived, God knew of their existence. When Jesus died on the cross, he knew of every one of us. When a child is conceived, he not physically becomes created, even though he was thought of forever ago. Therefore, by aborting, we are destroying God's plan. This is taught through the Bible, which is the word of God, whom is Jesus. So yes, Jesus spoke out against abortion. |
| Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well. | |
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| T-O | Dec 19 2007, 03:20 PM Post #17 |
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Boston.. Its true, abortion isn’t mentioned in the bible as we know it, neither are blood transfusions or homosexuality for example. At the same time, the sanctity of blood, homosexual activities, and the value of human life in the womb are very well documented in the bible. For instance, the law of Moses that Jehovah gave him to present to the people states at Exodus 22: 22,23.. “And in case men should struggle with each other and they really hurt a pregnant woman and her children do come out but no fatal accident occurs, he is to have damages imposed upon him without fail according to what the owner of the woman may lay upon him; and he must give it through the justices. But if a fatal accident should occur, then you must give soul for soul.” And notice again the view that Almighty God has for the unborn… Jeremiah 1:5… “Before I was forming you in the belly I knew you, and before you proceeded to come forth from the womb I sanctified you.” What sort of situation would anyone be in who had aborted Jeremiah, one who was “sanctified” by Almighty God while he was still in the womb? Not good for sure... So while there may not be an EXACT explanation for certain things because words like abortion or homosexual were not used in those days, nevertheless all person are under the “principle” of those laws today. |
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| MoRivera | Dec 20 2007, 12:17 PM Post #18 |
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I once shared this on here, but I'll post it again: A man once prayed to God. He was a doctor, who has preformed abortions, and is actively seeking cures for medical diseases, yet struggling, (along with other Dr.s) to get answers. The man said "God? If you are so powerful, where are the cures for cancer, diabetes, and other illnesses?" The Lord replied "I have given you people with the knowledge of how to cure many illnesses. You aborted them" |
| Jesus built one Church. He also said to follow Him. If you are not in His Church, you aren't following very well. | |
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| T-O | Dec 20 2007, 01:35 PM Post #19 |
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MO.. Where did you come up with that one ?? |
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| nath87 | Dec 20 2007, 05:01 PM Post #20 |
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Too be honest I do not see much of a case when it comes to homosexuality and the bible, it is rarely mentioned in there and does not have any backbone to it. Yet the christians seem to put being homo sexual as a huge 'sin', yet greed is not really seen as a sin at all, yet it is mentioned a lot more throughout the bible... makes no sense if you ask me. |
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