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Topic Started: Mar 21 2008, 06:26 PM (1,322 Views)
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braveschopbraves,Mar 21 2008
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actually Jurrjens is our 5, and I see him putting up a 4.20 ERA

If Manny Parra gets the gig to be the Brewers #5 starter, he is the best. The Reds also have Cueto, who's an extremely polished beast
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braveschopbraves,Mar 21 2008
07:06 PM
actually Jurrjens is our 5, and I see him putting up a 4.20 ERA

You put Hampton at a 3.75 ERA. Your post is funny.
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Rockshu,Mar 21 2008
05:10 PM
You put Hampton at a 3.75 ERA. Your post is funny.

yeah in his 3 starts before he gets injured he'll have a 3.75 ERA *beer*
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Santana 21-7 2.54 ERA
Pedro 15-9 3.63
Maine 18-8 3.72
Perez 17-9 4.08
El Duque 12-5 4.12

Eat it. Maine destroys. And I love how arrogant Rockshu is in saying that since Beckett has the most wins last year he's the best ever. Stop over exaggerating everything I say. You forget how insane this pitching staff could be with the addition of Santana.

Maine now faces #3s compared to #2s last year.
Perez now faces #4s compared to #3s last year.

Maine got tired last year, and it showed. He's stronger and more focused this year. I'm not betting on 20 wins, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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jaysdude09,Mar 21 2008
08:03 PM
Yes because every pitcher needs to strikeout guys to be considered decent/good right? Carmona had a low 3's ERA, but he didn't K too much guys, so I guess he's a flash in the pan?

I'm saying he's not fooling hitters. Carmona has a great hard sinker which gets guys to roll over and hit into ground outs. Litsch doesn't have great stuff, and his success will be limited. I'm guessing 4.50 ERA this year.
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Rockshu,Mar 21 2008
07:59 PM
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07:43 PM
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06:40 PM
Lol @ the Jays.

Santana > Halladay
Martinez < Burnett (I'm giving you this one)
Maine > McGowan
Perez > Marcum
Duque > Litch

You're "giving us" Martinez > Burnett? Burnett's worse case scenario is Pedro's best case scenario. Orlando will give you 80-120 innings so Litsch > Hernandez. McGowan > Maine. I'll give you Perez > Marcum.

Santana > Halladay
Martinez < Burnett
Maine < McGowan
Perez > Marcum
Hernandez < Litsch

And you'll "give me" Perez over Marcum? Perez destroys Marcum. Perez is pitching in the FOUR spot this year. That could be 17-19 wins. And it's a contract year. I'd take Maine over McGowan any day of the week. Maine has the chance for 20 wins this year. He was in the 2 spot last year, now he's a 3. That's a big plus for him. And if you've seen him in ST so far, he looks like he's worked a ton on his off speed stuff and is looking dominant.

Burnett, best case scenario maybe gets 15 wins this year. Martinez can rack up 15 with our offense, easy. Burnett has great stuff, but can he actually stay healthy? Pedro is 100% healthy, throwing a sick changeup/curveball offspeed combo.

I expect 15 wins from Pedro with a 3.45-3.75 ERA with 190+ Ks. Burnett is younger and is more of a given, so I gave you him. Take it.

We're discussing best rotation here... who the fuck cares how many wins Perez and Maine will rack up? Beckett had more wins than anyone in baseball last year, I guess he's the best pitcher ever eh?

By the way:

20 wins from Santana
15 wins from Martinez
20 wins from Maine
18 wins from Perez

= 73 wins, which will NEVER happen.

73 wins from our top four is extremely possible. It's the best in the bigs. I've explained Santana's effect, don't need to again.
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07:32 PM
Santana 21-7 2.54 ERA
Pedro 15-9 3.63
Maine 18-8 3.72
Perez 17-9 4.08
El Duque 12-5 4.12

Eat it. Maine destroys. And I love how arrogant Rockshu is in saying that since Beckett has the most wins last year he's the best ever. Stop over exaggerating everything I say. You forget how insane this pitching staff could be with the addition of Santana.

Maine now faces #3s compared to #2s last year.
Perez now faces #4s compared to #3s last year.

Maine got tired last year, and it showed. He's stronger and more focused this year. I'm not betting on 20 wins, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

You want me to eat your projection? It's a projection that you just pulled out of your ass, don't even try to pretend it's fact.
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Santana 21-7 2.54 ERA
Pedro 15-9 3.63
Maine 18-8 3.72
Perez 17-9 4.08
El Duque 12-5 4.12

Eat it. Maine destroys. And I love how arrogant Rockshu is in saying that since Beckett has the most wins last year he's the best ever. Stop over exaggerating everything I say. You forget how insane this pitching staff could be with the addition of Santana.

Maine now faces #3s compared to #2s last year.
Perez now faces #4s compared to #3s last year.

Maine got tired last year, and it showed. He's stronger and more focused this year. I'm not betting on 20 wins, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Dude nobody cares who Maine is facing. The opposing pitcher has no effect on how Maine pitches(except when Maine is pitching to the opposing pitcher). And according to your projections, you have 83 wins from your roto. That is fuckin ridiculous.

Yea, Maine probably won't be tired this year, and that's why I like him this year. But as much as McGowan? Not even close.
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I'm saying he's not fooling hitters. Carmona has a great hard sinker which gets guys to roll over and hit into ground outs. Litsch doesn't have great stuff, and his success will be limited. I'm guessing 4.50 ERA this year.

He has great control, and he uses an assortment of pitches, and should have a GB rate around 50%. He had like a 48% GB rate last year, and his FB rate was good. He throws a shitload of cutters, and that's how he keeps from teeing off, and I guess it worked since his LD rate was great last year. His stuff isn't great, but you don't have to have great stuff to succeed.
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I hope Santana teaches Maine the circle change.
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Phucken Jays and Mets fans. plz stfu guys. thx a lot.


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Phucken Jays and Mets fans. plz stfu guys. thx a lot.


No love for the Tribe?

You've got the best 1-2 but not much after that.
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2 19 game winners and the reigning Cy Young CC and Carmona

a guy who has won 14+ wins in 4 of the last 5 seasons in jake Westbrook


a 15 game winner in paul byrd

and Cliff Lee (an 18 game winner in 2005) is our number 5
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Phucken Jays and Mets fans. plz stfu guys. thx a lot.


No love for the Tribe?

You've got the best 1-2 but not much after that.

Well Westbrook is pretty solid.
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2 19 game winners and the reigning Cy Young CC and Carmona

a guy who has won 14+ wins in 4 of the last 5 seasons in jake Westbrook


a 15 game winner in paul byrd

and Cliff Lee (an 18 game winner in 2005) is our number 5

The Indians are full of soft throwing vets who can put up ERA's between 4-4.50. Pretty solid, especially when you line it up with a good pen, and 2 guys in the front who can throw 230IP per year.
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Don't sleep on the Reds, I know their park is unforgiving to them, but Harang, Crueto, Volquez, Bailey and Arroyo should put them into the top 5. I'm not saying they are the best though.
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jaysdude09,Mar 21 2008
07:33 PM
And the Dodgers one is nasty.

Thats's so funny my nose burns. They got 5th starters beyond Billingsly. Kershaw is not going to start in the rotation. Penny is only good for 5 or 6 weeks. Then his fat ass gets tired.
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Santana 21-7 2.54 ERA
Pedro 15-9 3.63
Maine 18-8 3.72
Perez 17-9 4.08
El Duque 12-5 4.12

Eat it. Maine destroys. And I love how arrogant Rockshu is in saying that since Beckett has the most wins last year he's the best ever. Stop over exaggerating everything I say. You forget how insane this pitching staff could be with the addition of Santana.

Maine now faces #3s compared to #2s last year.
Perez now faces #4s compared to #3s last year.

Maine got tired last year, and it showed. He's stronger and more focused this year. I'm not betting on 20 wins, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Dude nobody cares who Maine is facing. The opposing pitcher has no effect on how Maine pitches(except when Maine is pitching to the opposing pitcher). And according to your projections, you have 83 wins from your roto. That is fuckin ridiculous.

Yea, Maine probably won't be tired this year, and that's why I like him this year. But as much as McGowan? Not even close.

no, it's not. Santana can easily win 20 games, and yes, since you're not very smart, let me explain. Maine/Perez RACK up wins facing pitchers who are well below the skill level they are facing. If they're giving up the same amount of runs against a pitcher who is less talented and gives up more runs, they get more wins. Very simple, actually.

Maine/Perez against worse pitchers = More wins.

Watch. This is how good that Santana makes the Mets. I'm not even going to argue, especially with a freaking Blue Jays fan who couldn't know less about the Mets if he tried.
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The Dbacks have a solid rotation. Webb and Haren are one of the best 1-2 combos in the league, RJ (when healthy) is solid, and Davis and Owings aren't that bad 4/5 starters
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