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Santana 21-7 2.54 ERA
Pedro 15-9 3.63
Maine 18-8 3.72
Perez 17-9 4.08
El Duque 12-5 4.12

Eat it. Maine destroys. And I love how arrogant Rockshu is in saying that since Beckett has the most wins last year he's the best ever. Stop over exaggerating everything I say. You forget how insane this pitching staff could be with the addition of Santana.

Maine now faces #3s compared to #2s last year.
Perez now faces #4s compared to #3s last year.

Maine got tired last year, and it showed. He's stronger and more focused this year. I'm not betting on 20 wins, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Dude nobody cares who Maine is facing. The opposing pitcher has no effect on how Maine pitches(except when Maine is pitching to the opposing pitcher). And according to your projections, you have 83 wins from your roto. That is fuckin ridiculous.

Yea, Maine probably won't be tired this year, and that's why I like him this year. But as much as McGowan? Not even close.

no, it's not. Santana can easily win 20 games, and yes, since you're not very smart, let me explain. Maine/Perez RACK up wins facing pitchers who are well below the skill level they are facing. If they're giving up the same amount of runs against a pitcher who is less talented and gives up more runs, they get more wins. Very simple, actually.

Maine/Perez against worse pitchers = More wins.

Watch. This is how good that Santana makes the Mets. I'm not even going to argue, especially with a freaking Blue Jays fan who couldn't know less about the Mets if he tried.

Dude, outside of the first 2 weeks of the season teams don't match up 1v1 and 2v2, it gets all scrambled up. Maine and Perez will be facing basically the exact same skill of pitchers.
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TheHugeUnit,Mar 21 2008
08:29 PM
Thats's so funny my nose burns. They got 5th starters beyond Billingsly. Kershaw is not going to start in the rotation. Penny is only good for 5 or 6 weeks. Then his fat ass gets tired.

Bills is gonna bust out, Lowe is in a contract year, Penny is solid. His ERA will jump a whole run probably, but that's still solid. Kuroda is pretty solid from what I hear....looks to me like a good groundball pitcher with a good feel for pitching. That's 4 quality starters, and Schmidt probably sucks balls now, he lost velo I hear. But that's still pretty good. Def better than the Reds.

Maybe I shouldn't have said "nasty". I guess when I was typing Dodgers, the vision of Kershaw-Billingsley popped into my mind and fogged it up.
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Santana 21-7 2.54 ERA
Pedro 15-9 3.63
Maine 18-8 3.72
Perez 17-9 4.08
El Duque 12-5 4.12

Eat it. Maine destroys. And I love how arrogant Rockshu is in saying that since Beckett has the most wins last year he's the best ever. Stop over exaggerating everything I say. You forget how insane this pitching staff could be with the addition of Santana.

Maine now faces #3s compared to #2s last year.
Perez now faces #4s compared to #3s last year.

Maine got tired last year, and it showed. He's stronger and more focused this year. I'm not betting on 20 wins, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Dude nobody cares who Maine is facing. The opposing pitcher has no effect on how Maine pitches(except when Maine is pitching to the opposing pitcher). And according to your projections, you have 83 wins from your roto. That is fuckin ridiculous.

Yea, Maine probably won't be tired this year, and that's why I like him this year. But as much as McGowan? Not even close.

no, it's not. Santana can easily win 20 games, and yes, since you're not very smart, let me explain. Maine/Perez RACK up wins facing pitchers who are well below the skill level they are facing. If they're giving up the same amount of runs against a pitcher who is less talented and gives up more runs, they get more wins. Very simple, actually.

Maine/Perez against worse pitchers = More wins.

Watch. This is how good that Santana makes the Mets. I'm not even going to argue, especially with a freaking Blue Jays fan who couldn't know less about the Mets if he tried.

I know a good bit about the Mets considering I don't watch them everyday. And who the hell cares how much wins a starter gets? Look at QS, if your looking to judge how many times a pitcher is consistently pitching well.
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jaysdude09,Mar 21 2008
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you have 83 wins from your roto. That is fuckin ridiculous.

the Mets will win 108 games this year!

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Don't sleep on the Reds, I know their park is unforgiving to them, but Harang, Crueto, Volquez, Bailey and Arroyo should put them into the top 5. I'm not saying they are the best though.


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jaysdude09,Mar 21 2008
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Bills is gonna bust out, Lowe is in a contract year, Penny is solid. His ERA will jump a whole run probably, but that's still solid. Kuroda is pretty solid from what I hear....looks to me like a good groundball pitcher with a good feel for pitching. That's 4 quality starters, and Schmidt probably sucks balls now, he lost velo I hear. But that's still pretty good. Def better than the Reds.

Bills already considered one fo the top young pitchers. I doubt he advances to a Verlander stage. Penny is good as I said, but its only for a short period of time. Just the first 2months. Then he starts bombing. Lowe is meh and getting old at 35.

I'd say Bill is even to Harang. I'd take Creuto over Penny. Arroyo, Volquez and Baiely/Belise over Lowe, Kuroda and Loizia
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Funny, I remember posting some BS on here.

The Mets rotation is good, I just don't think they are the best. Martinez is a huge question mark considering his size, workloads in the past, and injury history late in his career.

Maine is good to be a nice starter.

Perez is way too inconsistant. One day he'll be great, one day he'll suck.

Santana should dominate.

Best rotation is a bit confusing much like MVP voting is. Is it the best players in a rotation, or the ones that will put up better numbers? Because take say Daniel Cabrera and put him in the NL, and I think he has comprable numbers to Oliver Perez. But their circumstances drift them apart in rankings.

Best numbers wise rotation, I'd probably say the Giants. Lincecum, Cain, Lowry, and Zito, with either Correria or Sanchez as their 5th starter. That ball park helps them as well.

Best talent wise is tough. The Indians could be the ones, had they had one more good pitcher to the mix, as I'm not high on Byrd at all. It very well coulf the Jays because they have 2 really good pitchers in Halladay and McGowan, and in Burnett they have someone who is reallly good when healthy, and Marcum is a decent No. 4. Litsch sucks, so thats a negative.

The RedSox have Beckett, and thats about it. I'm not high on Dice-K. Bucholz could be good. Ditto with the Yankees, all we really have is Wang, and the others are unproven till now.

Could you incorporate the Rays into this? Kazmir matches up with anyone. Garza and Shields are pretty good second tier pitchers. The back end suffers a bit, so we might have to wait until Price, McGee, and/or Davis comes up.
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Don't sleep on the Reds, I know their park is unforgiving to them, but Harang, Crueto, Volquez, Bailey and Arroyo should put them into the top 5. I'm not saying they are the best though.

Bailey will be shit this year, Volquez will be solid but I still think his control is suspect, but he's been showing good control this spring. Cueto is a beast. His polish reminds me of Gallardo last year. Arroyo is Arroyo, and Harang is good.

Milwaukee's should be roto:

1 Sheets
2 Gallardo
3 Suppan
4 Villanueva
5 Parra

Great upside, except Suppan, but he's good. They also have Bush.
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jaysdude09,Mar 21 2008
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Harang is good.

Harang is known as the most underrated starter in the league and you just proved it.
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Arroyo, Volquez and Baiely/Belise over Lowe, Kuroda and Loizia

Lol Lowe is better than all of them.
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Harang is good.

Harang is known as the most underrated starter in the league and you just proved it.

Harang is an animal. Put him in PETCO and he puts up Jake Peavy numbers, guaranteed.
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Harang is good.

Harang is known as the most underrated starter in the league and you just proved it.

Oh my bad. Harang is the best pitcher in the game. K?
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jaysdude09,Mar 21 2008
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Lol Lowe is better than all of them.

meh I use to like Volquez, but then soured on him last year. Win2day pointed out to me that maybe he needed a change os scenery I think he even said he thought he'd be better than Ceuto this year. From what I've seen so far this spring he has been great, watching him baffle the soem fo these guys this srping has been interesting.
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jaysdude09,Mar 21 2008
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Harang is good.

Harang is known as the most underrated starter in the league and you just proved it.

Oh my bad. Harang is the best pitcher in the game. K?

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meh I use to like Volquez, but then soured on him last year. Win2day pointed out to me that maybe he needed a change os scenery I think he even said he thought he'd be better than Ceuto this year. From what I've seen so far this spring he has been great, watching him baffle the soem fo these guys this srping has been interesting.

I thought he needed a change od scenery, but from all the places he needed to go to, Cinny wasn't one of them. He's a flyball pitcher, and in that park I don't know. Take a normal park, and I think he's good.
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meh I use to like Volquez, but then soured on him last year. Win2day pointed out to me that maybe he needed a change os scenery I think he even said he thought he'd be better than Ceuto this year. From what I've seen so far this spring he has been great, watching him baffle the soem fo these guys this srping has been interesting.

I like him too, his stuff is great. His fastball and change are nasty, but he doesn't have much after that. Cueto has a good arsenal too, but he has much better control than Volquez....so that's why I think he'll be better this year. But Cueto's FB tendencies are gay.
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Santana 21-7 2.54 ERA
Pedro 15-9 3.63
Maine 18-8 3.72
Perez 17-9 4.08
El Duque 12-5 4.12

Eat it. Maine destroys. And I love how arrogant Rockshu is in saying that since Beckett has the most wins last year he's the best ever. Stop over exaggerating everything I say. You forget how insane this pitching staff could be with the addition of Santana.

Maine now faces #3s compared to #2s last year.
Perez now faces #4s compared to #3s last year.

Maine got tired last year, and it showed. He's stronger and more focused this year. I'm not betting on 20 wins, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Dude nobody cares who Maine is facing. The opposing pitcher has no effect on how Maine pitches(except when Maine is pitching to the opposing pitcher). And according to your projections, you have 83 wins from your roto. That is fuckin ridiculous.

Yea, Maine probably won't be tired this year, and that's why I like him this year. But as much as McGowan? Not even close.

no, it's not. Santana can easily win 20 games, and yes, since you're not very smart, let me explain. Maine/Perez RACK up wins facing pitchers who are well below the skill level they are facing. If they're giving up the same amount of runs against a pitcher who is less talented and gives up more runs, they get more wins. Very simple, actually.

Maine/Perez against worse pitchers = More wins.

Watch. This is how good that Santana makes the Mets. I'm not even going to argue, especially with a freaking Blue Jays fan who couldn't know less about the Mets if he tried.

do you think that teams coordinate who they're starting based on who the other team is starting? ace vs. ace, 2 vs. 2, 3 vs. 3 etc lasts for about the first week of the season.
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Lol @ the Jays.

Santana > Halladay
Martinez < Burnett (I'm giving you this one)
Maine > McGowan
Perez > Marcum
Duque > Litch

You're "giving us" Martinez > Burnett? Burnett's worse case scenario is Pedro's best case scenario. Orlando will give you 80-120 innings so Litsch > Hernandez. McGowan > Maine. I'll give you Perez > Marcum.

Santana > Halladay
Martinez < Burnett
Maine < McGowan
Perez > Marcum
Hernandez < Litsch

And you'll "give me" Perez over Marcum? Perez destroys Marcum. Perez is pitching in the FOUR spot this year. That could be 17-19 wins. And it's a contract year. I'd take Maine over McGowan any day of the week. Maine has the chance for 20 wins this year. He was in the 2 spot last year, now he's a 3. That's a big plus for him. And if you've seen him in ST so far, he looks like he's worked a ton on his off speed stuff and is looking dominant.

Burnett, best case scenario maybe gets 15 wins this year. Martinez can rack up 15 with our offense, easy. Burnett has great stuff, but can he actually stay healthy? Pedro is 100% healthy, throwing a sick changeup/curveball offspeed combo.

I expect 15 wins from Pedro with a 3.45-3.75 ERA with 190+ Ks. Burnett is younger and is more of a given, so I gave you him. Take it.

We're discussing best rotation here... who the fuck cares how many wins Perez and Maine will rack up? Beckett had more wins than anyone in baseball last year, I guess he's the best pitcher ever eh?

By the way:

20 wins from Santana
15 wins from Martinez
20 wins from Maine
18 wins from Perez

= 73 wins, which will NEVER happen.

73 wins from our top four is extremely possible. It's the best in the bigs. I've explained Santana's effect, don't need to again.

lol are you kidding? 73 wins from four starters?

let's look at one of the best top 4's in recent memory, the 2003 Oakland A's. That team won 103 games and their top 4 of Zito, Hudson, Lidle and Mulder combined for 65 wins. Now considering that those 4 are pretty easily better than New York's four, 73 wins will never ever ever ever happen.
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None of you noobs mentioned the Mariners? They play in the best pitching park in the AL, Felix and Bedard should be CY canidates, and the rest are league average or above. Not the best, but good.

What do you guys think are the best 1-2's? Here are some really good ones:

Sabathia/Carmona
Bedard/Felix Hernandez
Beckett/Matsuzaka
Webb/Haren
Lackey/Escobar
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