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CC Sabathia Isnt this guy amazing?
Topic Started: Jul 24 2008, 12:21 AM (745 Views)
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redsoxabstract,Jul 24 2008
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He'll suck in a couple of years. He's out of shape. Can't continue to play baseball like that.

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EDIT: Oops, disregard this. I totally forgot the new rule where pitchers over 6'4 in the National League have to do 15 jumping jacks and a spinarooni after every pitch. I was thinking all he has to do is throw a ball like 17 times every 15 minutes or so.

RE: EDIT: Oops, again. He doesn't have to do that, because that would be stupid. Instead, he just has to throw a ball like 17 times every 15 minutes or so. Fat is a corrosive acid found in spider venom though, and I heard all pesky fat cells do love to disperse from common areas of storage like the stomach, thighs, or male funbags into shoulder ligaments. And that often leads the top cause of death for overweight baseball players over 28 years of age, in which the inflicted person appears as if they are wearing classic Legion of Doom shoulder pads under their skin with spikes made of hardened lard. Actually that's not true either, but it would be cool. And C.C. will probably be good for a long time.

Babe Ruth is the ONE exception to this. Even Babe, though, hit. That's about it. He wasn't known for his fielding, and he had some injury trouble too. He was a decent pitcher too, but that was to begin his career...he was fairly young.

I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post. It's...idk.
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Rockshu,Jul 24 2008
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*cough* David Wells *cough*

Yeah, he was the guy I thought about.
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C.C.'s been sick ever since the trade. Contributing not only with his arm but with the bat a bit as well. I also believe there's a good chance he'd pursue the Dodgers, it's so close to home for him, and he'd still get to hit.
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I'd take a big fat dude over a short skinny dude if we're talking career longevity. Fat dudes can always lose weight if their career is going downhill, short skinny dudes can't grow 3 inches to add some miles to their fastball.
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Rockshu,Jul 24 2008
05:40 PM
I'd take a big fat dude over a short skinny dude if we're talking career longevity. Fat dudes can always lose weight if their career is going downhill, short skinny dudes can't grow 3 inches to add some miles to their fastball.

I wouldn't want either. But a fat guy can lose weight. A skinny guy can work out and gain muscle mass. What I'm saying is, if CC stays at his current weight, I don't think he'll be able to keep it up.
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I also believe there's a good chance he'd pursue the Dodgers, it's so close to home for him, and he'd still get to hit.

he's from the Valley Joe, it's not that close to LA.
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As people have stated, CC is not out of shape. Those types of pitchers will stay in the elite area longer than a small power pitcher.
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He may like donuts but his arm has enough muscle to throw in the mid 90's all day long so I don't care what the scale says.
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Marlinschamps03,Jul 24 2008
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Disrespectful punk.

Yeah, seriously. That's so disrespectful of the game.

And if we throw 140 million at him, he'll be liking the American League a hell of a lot more than the National league.
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redsoxabstract,Jul 24 2008
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C.C. Sabathia
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Josh Beckett
Tim Wakefield
John Lester/Clay Buchholz

Lester>Clay. Easily
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C.C. Sabathia
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Josh Beckett
Tim Wakefield
Jon Lester/Clay Buchholz

Lester>Clay. Easily

I dunno. Lester has like, transformed in a monster since about two weeks after that no-hitter, but looking at the larger body of work, Buchholz cleary projects a lot better. PECOTA's seven year forecasts actually show Clay being twice as valuable as Lester moving forward. Who knows, though? If Lester keeps this up, it'll be close. Either way, they'll be set when Wakefield finally kicks the bucket. (<3 Timmy)

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04:05 PM
Babe Ruth is the ONE exception to this.

That would be neat, but like, it's totally 100% made-up falseness.

1.) A TON of players (literally) have been successful despite not being built like Greek gods. Bill James commented in his Historical Baseball Abstract that it was shocking to see that so many incredible baseball players have had short, dumpy, totally non-athletic bodies. Sabathia doesn't even fit that mold anyway, he's tall and extremely athletic. He's big in a few places where he maybe shouldn't be, but having a big butt isn't going to destroy his elbow. Even guys that were blessed with the bodies didn't do much to take care of them. Behind like 1 out of ever 1.5 HoF'ers is some crazy legendary tale about enough alcohol consumption to kill a horse.

2.) I like the reference to Ruth's injury troubles, while a simple 12 second check on BP can tell you that they didn't exist at all. There were like three seasons before his age 36 year that he played in less than 130 games, and those included the time he was suspended for playing in barnstorming leagues and the year he decided he wanted to take a break and faked a bellyache for like three months. He was one of the most durable players in the league throughout his career. Again, another simple BP check also shows that the assumption that he wasn't a good defensive player is baseless and totally incorrect. His RATE2 is over 100 at all three outfield positions. He was amazing at both corner spots, posting stuff like 17 RAA spending half of the 1923 season in right, and 14 RAA playing the other half in left. That's unmotherhumpingbelievable. The guy had MVP caliber seasons until he was 39 years old.

3.) History tells us that smaller, more compact pitchers are like eleventeen times more prone to injury/regression at a younger age than guys built like Sabathia.
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redsoxabstract,Jul 24 2008
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C.C. Sabathia
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Josh Beckett
Tim Wakefield
Jon Lester/Clay Buchholz

Lester>Clay. Easily

I dunno. Lester has like, transformed in a monster since about two weeks after that no-hitter, but looking at the larger body of work, Buchholz cleary projects a lot better. PECOTA's seven year forecasts actually show Clay being twice as valuable as Lester moving forward. Who knows, though? If Lester keeps this up, it'll be close. Either way, they'll be set when Wakefield finally kicks the bucket. (<3 Timmy)

Bill?

Well in the future Clay might turn out better, but Lester took the time this year and became dominant. Injuries and more will get Clay starts next year and he can become dominant. I take the dominant>developing next year.
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I'm no Bill.

I tend to like current production a little more than relying on potential as well (probably because I'm a fan of a team with a large enough budget to do so), but an argument can be made that Buchholz is already performing on par with Lester this season. Park adjustments aren't flawless by any means, but when applied to Lester's numbers, the difference between the two this year is pretty minimal.
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On the subject of CC being big, coincidently the Onion had an article on it Thursday.

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MILWAUKEE—The Brewers' playoff push has run afoul of an unusual distraction, as sources close to the organization confirm that newly acquired husky starting pitcher C.C. Sabathia and sizable power-hitting first baseman Prince Fielder continue to visualize one another as a 6'7" chili cheese dog and a 260-pound hamburger with all the trimmings, respectively.

Team insiders say the problem has become a serious disruption, with numerous incidences of each player tying a bib around his neck, holding a knife and fork in their outstretched hands, and chasing the other around the ballpark.

"I should have noticed something was wrong weeks ago, when Prince, who has always had a certain fascination with the sausage races, expressed delight that we had 'signed Cleveland's huge chili cheese dog' and welcomed C.C. to the team by coating him liberally with celery salt and mustard," said manager Ned Yost. "And in his very first start, C.C. praised the way our 'great big hamburger' was hitting, and kept trying to pick off runners at first base by throwing ketchup and extra cheese to Prince."

Although both Fielder and Sabathia are major factors in the Brewer's playoff plans, their teammates admit that their recent displays of appetite have been a bit unnerving.

"Usually, the other players step in before one of them takes a bite out of the other," said Brewers reliever David Riske. "But the whole thing is pretty unsettling. Sabathia and I were getting our arms rubbed the other day, just kind of stretching them out across the massage table, when suddenly an empty jar of relish rolled by. I looked up, and Prince had put a huge hot dog bun and all the trimmings on Sabathia's arm when he wasn't paying attention. C.C. pulled himself out at the last minute, but when Prince's teeth came together, it made a chomping sound you could hear throughout the clubhouse."

Sabathia responded by chasing Fielder around the clubhouse with a pair of giant salt and pepper shakers.

On Monday, Yost announced that any player who attempted to devour another, no matter how delicious they seemed to appear, would be subject to disciplinary action. However, like many disciplinary measures involving athletes, the decree seemed only to make those involved more cunning.

"I was using the hot tub to ease some soreness the other day with Prince, who had nodded off, when C.C. came in carrying these grocery bags," said third baseman Bill Hall. "I had just noticed that something smelled really good when I realized that C.C. was cutting up vegetables and throwing them in the hot tub with Prince, alongside plenty of noodles and spices, to make some sort of hamburger casserole."

Luckily, Fielder woke up before the mixture thickened and retaliated by attempting to trap Sabathia in the steam room along with a bag of mesquite-flavored grilling charcoal.

"This has to end," Yost admitted to reporters as the Brewers readied themselves for a four-game series against St. Louis. "We can't have players trying to eat one another, even in Milwaukee, so we're taking steps. We've already talked to both players, explaining that while they are big, they are not food. And as a provisional measure, we've gotten Ray Durham from the Giants in the hopes that both Prince and C.C. will think he's a giant ham and leave one another alone."


I bolded the Onion's analysis on the trade for Ray Durham as my favorite part.
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soxfan#1,Jul 24 2008
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C.C. Sabathia
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Josh Beckett
Tim Wakefield
John Lester/Clay Buchholz

Lester>Clay. Easily

I heard the Red Sox tinker and change his delivery for better control. I saw him pitch, and his change doesn't even look like a plus plus anymore, and his curve was alright.
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