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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 24 2008, 12:21 AM (745 Views) | |
| Mets Rule | Jul 24 2008, 04:05 PM Post #21 |
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Mr. Mojo Risin'
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Babe Ruth is the ONE exception to this. Even Babe, though, hit. That's about it. He wasn't known for his fielding, and he had some injury trouble too. He was a decent pitcher too, but that was to begin his career...he was fairly young. I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post. It's...idk. |
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| Mets Rule | Jul 24 2008, 04:06 PM Post #22 |
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Mr. Mojo Risin'
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Yeah, he was the guy I thought about. |
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| Tribe No 1 Fan | Jul 24 2008, 04:27 PM Post #23 |
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C.C.'s been sick ever since the trade. Contributing not only with his arm but with the bat a bit as well. I also believe there's a good chance he'd pursue the Dodgers, it's so close to home for him, and he'd still get to hit. |
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| Rockshu | Jul 24 2008, 04:40 PM Post #24 |
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I'd take a big fat dude over a short skinny dude if we're talking career longevity. Fat dudes can always lose weight if their career is going downhill, short skinny dudes can't grow 3 inches to add some miles to their fastball. |
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| Mets Rule | Jul 24 2008, 04:43 PM Post #25 |
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Mr. Mojo Risin'
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I wouldn't want either. But a fat guy can lose weight. A skinny guy can work out and gain muscle mass. What I'm saying is, if CC stays at his current weight, I don't think he'll be able to keep it up. |
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| braveschopbraves | Jul 24 2008, 04:45 PM Post #26 |
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he's from the Valley Joe, it's not that close to LA. |
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| TheHugeUnit | Jul 24 2008, 04:46 PM Post #27 |
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Come on CC
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As people have stated, CC is not out of shape. Those types of pitchers will stay in the elite area longer than a small power pitcher. |
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| Rockshu | Jul 24 2008, 06:58 PM Post #28 |
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He may like donuts but his arm has enough muscle to throw in the mid 90's all day long so I don't care what the scale says. |
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| Junkyard Dog | Jul 24 2008, 07:16 PM Post #29 |
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Yeah, seriously. That's so disrespectful of the game. And if we throw 140 million at him, he'll be liking the American League a hell of a lot more than the National league. |
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| soxfan#1 | Jul 24 2008, 08:36 PM Post #30 |
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Lester>Clay. Easily |
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| redsoxabstract | Jul 24 2008, 09:44 PM Post #31 |
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-3.5 VORP!!@!!!1
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I dunno. Lester has like, transformed in a monster since about two weeks after that no-hitter, but looking at the larger body of work, Buchholz cleary projects a lot better. PECOTA's seven year forecasts actually show Clay being twice as valuable as Lester moving forward. Who knows, though? If Lester keeps this up, it'll be close. Either way, they'll be set when Wakefield finally kicks the bucket. (<3 Timmy) |
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| redsoxabstract | Jul 24 2008, 10:08 PM Post #32 |
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-3.5 VORP!!@!!!1
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That would be neat, but like, it's totally 100% made-up falseness. 1.) A TON of players (literally) have been successful despite not being built like Greek gods. Bill James commented in his Historical Baseball Abstract that it was shocking to see that so many incredible baseball players have had short, dumpy, totally non-athletic bodies. Sabathia doesn't even fit that mold anyway, he's tall and extremely athletic. He's big in a few places where he maybe shouldn't be, but having a big butt isn't going to destroy his elbow. Even guys that were blessed with the bodies didn't do much to take care of them. Behind like 1 out of ever 1.5 HoF'ers is some crazy legendary tale about enough alcohol consumption to kill a horse. 2.) I like the reference to Ruth's injury troubles, while a simple 12 second check on BP can tell you that they didn't exist at all. There were like three seasons before his age 36 year that he played in less than 130 games, and those included the time he was suspended for playing in barnstorming leagues and the year he decided he wanted to take a break and faked a bellyache for like three months. He was one of the most durable players in the league throughout his career. Again, another simple BP check also shows that the assumption that he wasn't a good defensive player is baseless and totally incorrect. His RATE2 is over 100 at all three outfield positions. He was amazing at both corner spots, posting stuff like 17 RAA spending half of the 1923 season in right, and 14 RAA playing the other half in left. That's unmotherhumpingbelievable. The guy had MVP caliber seasons until he was 39 years old. 3.) History tells us that smaller, more compact pitchers are like eleventeen times more prone to injury/regression at a younger age than guys built like Sabathia. |
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| soxfan#1 | Jul 24 2008, 11:03 PM Post #33 |
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Bill? Well in the future Clay might turn out better, but Lester took the time this year and became dominant. Injuries and more will get Clay starts next year and he can become dominant. I take the dominant>developing next year. |
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| redsoxabstract | Jul 24 2008, 11:08 PM Post #34 |
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-3.5 VORP!!@!!!1
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I'm no Bill. I tend to like current production a little more than relying on potential as well (probably because I'm a fan of a team with a large enough budget to do so), but an argument can be made that Buchholz is already performing on par with Lester this season. Park adjustments aren't flawless by any means, but when applied to Lester's numbers, the difference between the two this year is pretty minimal. |
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| NateFizzle | Jul 24 2008, 11:32 PM Post #35 |
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On the subject of CC being big, coincidently the Onion had an article on it Thursday.
I bolded the Onion's analysis on the trade for Ray Durham as my favorite part. |
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| jaysdude09 | Jul 24 2008, 11:39 PM Post #36 |
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I heard the Red Sox tinker and change his delivery for better control. I saw him pitch, and his change doesn't even look like a plus plus anymore, and his curve was alright. |
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