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Manny a Dodger, Bay a Red Sox
Topic Started: Jul 31 2008, 03:53 PM (1,481 Views)
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I feel like everyone won here. Sox get a comparable bat and give up expendable prospects. Lets face it, Hansen wasn't gonna become shit in Boston, the only chance he had was a change of scenery, and Moss didn't have a job beyond as a backup.
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RedSox9,Jul 31 2008
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Red Sox are fucking stupid for this, They really didn't upgrade THAT much in this deal, and they gave up specs. They just felt like they needed to trade him because of his personallity. I don't agree with that.

Jason Bay lucked out tho.

AQctually Bay's numbers are the same as Manny's, plus Bay is younger. I don't think we lost much in the trade, if anything.

You're right here. Sure I'll miss Manny, but in the long run this is actually a fairly decent trade. Considering Manny said he wasn't interested in coming back next year I'd say the Sox made a good move trading him for Bay, who is a damn good player and could easily replace anything we lost with Manny.
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bosoxdiehard,Aug 1 2008
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Red Sox are fucking stupid for this, They really didn't upgrade THAT much in this deal, and they gave up specs. They just felt like they needed to trade him because of his personallity. I don't agree with that.

Jason Bay lucked out tho.

AQctually Bay's numbers are the same as Manny's, plus Bay is younger. I don't think we lost much in the trade, if anything.

You're right here. Sure I'll miss Manny, but in the long run this is actually a fairly decent trade. Considering Manny said he wasn't interested in coming back next year I'd say the Sox made a good move trading him for Bay, who is a damn good player and could easily replace anything we lost with Manny.

You can expect him to get a long term contract after his current deal runs out in 2009.
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When my bro called me yesterday when I was in Cinci, and told me that Manny was traded to L.A., I was definitely surprised since I wasn't aware of the Dodgers being involved in the deal at all. But yeah, Red Sox really had to get rid of Manny, but look a how much they give up, and what they only get in return. Ugly.

The Dodgers really upgraded their poor offense, and with now with Manny in the middle of the order, it'll automatically make the team better. Diamondbacks fans should feel like shit for not making a big trade, like the one involving getting Teixeira. Dodgers should be the favorite to win the West now.

The Pirates actually got a lot of value in return this July. They have really upgraded the team for the future now, they come out with a successful trade deadline week.
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Bay played in Pittsburgh, with no media, a small-market team, and a shitty team at that, for his entire career. He's now being put in the middle of a pennant race, a large-market team with a lot of media and the fans expect a lot. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if he tanks.
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Or if he surges due to an adrenaline rush of all the factors.
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Pressure is so hilariously overrated. Especially for hitters. The guy is a professional baseball player. He isn't in fifth grade. I don't think he's going to get up to the plate and think "ZOMG PEEPZ IZ WATCHIN N NOW DIS MEENS SUMTIN!@" and completely fail. He'll be fine.

And just a weird tidbit, if you look analyze this trade purely as the Red Sox replacing Manny with Bay, the biggest downgrade they take is on defense, where they go from Manny's surprising +2 RAA to Bay's ridiculously bad -19. Offensively, they really don't take much of a hit at all.
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redsoxabstract,Aug 1 2008
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Pressure is so hilariously overrated. Especially for hitters. The guy is a professional baseball player. He isn't in fifth grade. I don't think he's going to get up to the plate and think "ZOMG PEEPZ IZ WATCHIN N NOW DIS MEENS SUMTIN!@" and completely fail. He'll be fine.

Tell that to A-Rod...
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redsoxabstract,Aug 1 2008
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Pressure is so hilariously overrated. Especially for hitters. The guy is a professional baseball player. He isn't in fifth grade. I don't think he's going to get up to the plate and think "ZOMG PEEPZ IZ WATCHIN N NOW DIS MEENS SUMTIN!@" and completely fail. He'll be fine.

And just a weird tidbit, if you look analyze this trade purely as the Red Sox replacing Manny with Bay, the biggest downgrade they take is on defense, where they go from Manny's surprising +2 RAA to Bay's ridiculously bad -19. Offensively, they really don't take much of a hit at all.

Manny is not better than Bay on defense, are you retarded?
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Manny's horrible defense is going to stand out even more since he doesn't play at Fenway.
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redsoxabstract,Aug 1 2008
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Pressure is so hilariously overrated. Especially for hitters. The guy is a professional baseball player. He isn't in fifth grade. I don't think he's going to get up to the plate and think "ZOMG PEEPZ IZ WATCHIN N NOW DIS MEENS SUMTIN!@" and completely fail. He'll be fine.

And just a weird tidbit, if you look analyze this trade purely as the Red Sox replacing Manny with Bay, the biggest downgrade they take is on defense, where they go from Manny's surprising +2 RAA to Bay's ridiculously bad -19. Offensively, they really don't take much of a hit at all.

Manny is not better than Bay on defense, are you retarded?

I think it's a little more retarded to base Manny's overall defensive play based on Manny being Manny highlights you see on Sportscenter rather than a shit ton of stats that rate him as an above average defensive player.
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Manny's shitty range will be exposed in Dodger Stadium when he has to do more than job for flyballs. In fenway, anything hit to LF was either an easy catch where he can just jog to the ball, or the ball would hit off the monster and he'll just play it off. Limited running required but it changes in Dodger stadium.
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rockshu...

Roy Oswalt, Chris Carpenter, Ben Sheets, C C sabathia, Carlos Zambrano, edison Volquez, Rich Harden, ted lilly...

Doc Holliday... Mike Mussina... Scott Kazmir... marcum... pettite... daniel cabrera? lmao..

but my point is nl central had plenty of quality pitchers, very close to maybe even more so than did the al east. And even if not, a majority of the best pitchers in the east are ON the red sox...
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webgem924,Aug 1 2008
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Tell that to A-Rod...

I'll tell him that, and he'll tell me about that first playoff series in New York where he OPS'd like 1.500, and then about the several playoff series in which Derek Jeter and Scott Brosious and Paul O'Neill and Bernie Williams hit like .145 over the stupid small sample size of like 5 or so games. And then we'll talk about the huge fucking long season where he piled up a high enough number of PA's that it isn't totally retarded to base an opinion off of them, and had an OPS+ of like 180 or something Ruth-ish like that. Or the other 162 game set two seasons prior to that where he was equally as good. All the while playing games under the spotlight of the almighty pretentious and nearly always wrong New York press. And then we'll have a good laugh at how idiotic the the New York media and fan base are.
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rockshu...

Roy Oswalt, Chris Carpenter, Ben Sheets, C C sabathia, Carlos Zambrano, edison Volquez, Rich Harden, ted lilly...

Doc Holliday... Mike Mussina... Scott Kazmir... marcum... pettite... daniel cabrera? lmao..

but my point is nl central had plenty of quality pitchers, very close to maybe even more so than did the al east. And even if not, a majority of the best pitchers in the east are ON the red sox...

Roy Halladay, Shaun Marcum, AJ Burnett, Dustin McGowan (when healthy), Chien-Ming Wang (when healthy), Andy Pettitte, Mike Mussina, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes (when healthy), Scott Kazmir, James Shields, Matt Garza. The Orioles pitching sucks.

If you really think the NL Central has comparable pitching, you're retarded. There's a reason guys like Kyle Lohse put up a 6 ERA for the Twins then go to the NL and put up sub-4 ERA's.
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Pressure is so hilariously overrated. Especially for hitters. The guy is a professional baseball player. He isn't in fifth grade. I don't think he's going to get up to the plate and think "ZOMG PEEPZ IZ WATCHIN N NOW DIS MEENS SUMTIN!@" and completely fail. He'll be fine.

And just a weird tidbit, if you look analyze this trade purely as the Red Sox replacing Manny with Bay, the biggest downgrade they take is on defense, where they go from Manny's surprising +2 RAA to Bay's ridiculously bad -19. Offensively, they really don't take much of a hit at all.

Manny is not better than Bay on defense, are you retarded?

I think it's a little more retarded to base Manny's overall defensive play based on Manny being Manny highlights you see on Sportscenter rather than a shit ton of stats that rate him as an above average defensive player.

Manny Ramirez plays in LF of Fenway Park, the easiest place in baseball to defend. I can admit, Manny knows the bounces of the Monster better than anyone, but beyond that he's got nothing. Horrible jumps on balls, he doesn't know how to run, and his arm is barely a notch above Johnny Damon's.
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Rockshu,Aug 1 2008
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redsoxabstract,Aug 1 2008
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Pressure is so hilariously overrated. Especially for hitters. The guy is a professional baseball player. He isn't in fifth grade. I don't think he's going to get up to the plate and think "ZOMG PEEPZ IZ WATCHIN N NOW DIS MEENS SUMTIN!@" and completely fail. He'll be fine.

And just a weird tidbit, if you look analyze this trade purely as the Red Sox replacing Manny with Bay, the biggest downgrade they take is on defense, where they go from Manny's surprising +2 RAA to Bay's ridiculously bad -19. Offensively, they really don't take much of a hit at all.

Manny is not better than Bay on defense, are you retarded?

I think it's a little more retarded to base Manny's overall defensive play based on Manny being Manny highlights you see on Sportscenter rather than a shit ton of stats that rate him as an above average defensive player.

Manny Ramirez plays in LF of Fenway Park, the easiest place in baseball to defend. I can admit, Manny knows the bounces of the Monster better than anyone, but beyond that he's got nothing. Horrible jumps on balls, he doesn't know how to run, and his arm is barely a notch above Johnny Damon's.

So I'm assuming you've watched every play he's made this season.

Because there are park adjusted stats that say otherwise. Defensive metrics have their faults, but I still trust them a lot more than evaluating a few plays with the naked eye. Manny, this season, has been a lot better than Bay. Bay is by several counts, the worst defensive left fielder this side of Adam Dunn.
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Bay is far from a gold glover, but if you put the two of them in the same park, guaranteed he'll run circles around Manny.
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rockshu...

Roy Oswalt, Chris Carpenter, Ben Sheets, C C sabathia, Carlos Zambrano, edison Volquez, Rich Harden, ted lilly...

Doc Holliday... Mike Mussina... Scott Kazmir... marcum... pettite... daniel cabrera? lmao..

but my point is nl central had plenty of quality pitchers, very close to maybe even more so than did the al east. And even if not, a majority of the best pitchers in the east are ON the red sox...

Roy Halladay, Shaun Marcum, AJ Burnett, Dustin McGowan (when healthy), Chien-Ming Wang (when healthy), Andy Pettitte, Mike Mussina, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes (when healthy), Scott Kazmir, James Shields, Matt Garza. The Orioles pitching sucks.

If you really think the NL Central has comparable pitching, you're retarded. There's a reason guys like Kyle Lohse put up a 6 ERA for the Twins then go to the NL and put up sub-4 ERA's.

I probably am retarded. but so many of those guys are when healthy that every year it evens out because there is s so much injury. Marcum was just injured too and isnt burnett oft injured too? mussina can't pitch like this forever, I guess kazmir isnt even that good. I just feel the talents even out between the two.
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Rockshu,Aug 1 2008
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Bay is far from a gold glover, but if you put the two of them in the same park, guaranteed he'll run circles around Manny.

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