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AL/NL MVP
Topic Started: Sep 6 2008, 10:14 PM (2,233 Views)
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Hamilton doesn't get it over Youk and maybe Pedroia.
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pedroia won't win for having two great months
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zackboomer,Sep 8 2008
07:26 PM
pedroia won't win for having two great months

If he's clutch in the palyoffs, he'll win it. You can go wrong with a .330 avg.
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RedSox9,Sep 8 2008
04:33 PM
If he's clutch in the palyoffs, he'll win it. You can go wrong with a .330 avg.

they vote before the playoffs
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RedSox9,Sep 8 2008
07:33 PM
If he's clutch in the palyoffs, he'll win it. You can go wrong with a .330 avg.

mvp is for the season
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braveschopbraves,Sep 8 2008
07:21 PM
Wright: Fuck no
Fuck no? Why? Is it Delgado's worse VORP, worse SLG, worse OBP, worse OPS+, worse SBs, worse what?

Beltran: Fuck no
yes

Why no David Wright? Well, quitely, and I didn't know this until yesterday when I saw it on the first game of the DH on SNY, Wright is hitting .238 with RISP this year. This pisses me off. Why? Because nobody acknowledges it, so Wright basically gets a free pass, while his counterpart of NY is ridicouled for it despite hitting about 30 points higher. So, no David Wright is not a deserver of MVP.

Beltran can have a case made for him, but not big enough to take down Albert.
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YankeeNation,Sep 8 2008
04:38 PM
braveschopbraves,Sep 8 2008
07:21 PM
Wright: Fuck no
Fuck no? Why? Is it Delgado's worse VORP, worse SLG, worse OBP, worse OPS+, worse SBs, worse what?

Beltran: Fuck no
yes

Why no David Wright? Well, quitely, and I didn't know this until yesterday when I saw it on the first game of the DH on SNY, Wright is hitting .238 with RISP this year. This pisses me off. Why? Because nobody acknowledges it, so Wright basically gets a free pass, while his counterpart of NY is ridicouled for it despite hitting about 30 points higher. So, no David Wright is not a deserver of MVP.

Beltran can have a case made for him, but not big enough to take down Albert.

still > Delgado


oh and
Delgado is hitting .218 under the "close and late" situation
With runners on and 2 outs, he's hitting .221
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Berkman: No
1.020 OPS with 16 SBs, 166 OPS+
.850 OPS with 1 SB, 123 OPS+

I think the top is more valuable

Tell me that when he's off a 4th place team. The Astros are out with him and out without him. Not valuable to his team.


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Holliday: No
.965 OPS, 25 SBs, 143 OPS+
.850 OPS, 1 SB, 123 OPS+

Once again, he's not contending. The team wouldn't be contending with or without him.
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Chipper: LOL, no

yeah LOL that 1.020 OPS sure looks bad

The Braves? LOL. Maybe they'd be the worst team in the league without him?

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Ludwick: Nope
yes

He's on the Pirates.

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Wright: Fuck no
Fuck no? Why? Is it Delgado's worse VORP, worse SLG, worse OBP, worse OPS+, worse SBs, worse what?

Tell that to David when he can't hit a ball out of the infield when he has a clutch situation. Carlos is hitting .272 in RISP while Wright fucking blows hitting .238. Carlos' OBP w/RISP is also .383 compared to Wright's .325, and Delgado's SLG % is .510 compared to Wright's .378. Basically, Wright completely fucking sucks.

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Beltran: Fuck no
yes

Delgado HR: 33
Beltran HR: 22

Delgado RBI: 100
Beltran RBI: 98

Delgado SLG%: .504
Beltran SLG%: .480

Delgado also has a better OPS, SLG% w/RISP, and OBP% w/RISP

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McLouth: No
yes

Pirates. They're one of the worst teams with him or without him.

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Hardy: Lmao, no
Lmao they are basically putting up the same numbers except Hardy's at a harder position playing good defense at that position


Delgado HR: 33
Hardy HR: 22

Delgado RBI: 100
Hardy RBI: 68 (lol)

Delgado SLG%: .504
Hardy SLG%: .487

Delgado runs: 80
Hardy runs: 72

Hardy BA w/RISP: .228 (lol again)
Delgado BA w/RISP: .272

Delgado OBP% w/RISP: .383
Hardy OBP% w/RISP: .310

Delgado SLG% w/RISP: .510
Hardy SLG% w/RISP: .316 (LMFAO)

Delgado FLD %: .993 (Wright would have 40 errors without him)
Hardy FLD%: .975

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Uggla: No
yes

He's hitting .207 after the all-star break. Good formula to get your team to the playoffs.

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McCann: Nope
134 OPS+ from a catcher is very valuable

Not on a team that sucks with or without him.

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Soto: Possibly
124 OPS+ from a catcher is also valuable

Delgado has 20 more RBIs, 20 more runs, and Delgado is better w/RISP.

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DeRosa: Are you kidding me?
123 OPS+, 6 SBs, plays all over the field

OMG HE PLAYZ ALL OVAR TEH FIELDS. Is DeRosa even noticable in that Cubs lineup? Delgado destroys him in HRs, RBIs, SLG%, with a lot less protection.

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Drew: What?
This ones close, but he's got a 33.4 VORP, Delgado 29.3

Delgado destroys him in every offensive category important. Don't even try.

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Rollins: you've got to be fucking joking.
nah

Delgado has 23 more homeruns, 50 more RBIs, .80 higher SLG%, and a .90 higher OPS. Hmmm.....

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Lee: Nope.
yeah and that's with missing the rest of the season

Plays on the Astros.

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Ramirez: No
yeah

No.

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Guzman: WHAT?
sure, he's surrounded by Willie Harris, Milledge, and Kearns. JESUS FLORES leads the team with RBIs and is hitting .256 with 8 HRs.

I don't know how to respond to someone as stupid as you. No, just no.

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Lee: LMAO
a little worse at hitting, but more SBs and better defense

Hmm. No.

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Burrell: No.
yes

.212 BA after all star break. Vey valuable contributor.
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yep the 14 teams under .500 in the majors have NO ONE valuable on their team
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^That's what I was thinking...you can't eliminate everyone on a non-contending team from MVP talk.
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If Delgado was on the Astros and not Berkman would they be in the playoffs? Nope they'd be out of it even more.
If Berkman was on the Mets would they be battling the Phillies still? No they would be in first by a lot.
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And why the fuck are you guys arguing over this stupid shit, Pujols or Berkman will most likely win it or maybe even Wright.
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MVP is over the entire season, I don't care about all star break splits

If you were sucking in May you were hurting your team just as much as if you were sucking in August.
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To speak "value" lets look at the VORP leaders.

Pujols- 87.1
Berkman- 73.8
H. Ramirez- 69.4
C. Jones- 63.9
Reyes- 57.2
Holliday-57.1
Utley- 54.9
Wright- 48.3
Ludwick- 46.3
Braun- 46.0

Delgado is 12th, and 3rd on his team with a 42.9, half of Pujols.
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NateFizzle,Sep 8 2008
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To speak "value" lets look at the VORP leaders.

Pujols- 87.1
Berkman- 73.8
H. Ramirez- 69.4
C. Jones- 63.9
Reyes- 57.2
Holliday-57.1
Utley- 54.9
Wright- 48.3
Ludwick- 46.3
Braun- 46.0

Delgado is 12th, and 3rd on his team with a 42.9, half of Pujols.

Delgado isn't 12th.. McCann is 11th and Beltran is 12th. Delgado is 35th I think lol

and that's just of batters... People could make cases for like Lincecum, Santana, etc...
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And why the fuck are you guys arguing over this stupid shit, Pujols or Berkman will most likely win it or maybe even Wright.


Sure you can. Didn't you read metsrule's flawless argument?
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LOL LMFAO LMAO yea I read most of it.
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Oops, I wasn't really paying attention, I thought he'd be somewhat near the top. But he's 36th.
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the award is Most Valuable Player

not Most Valuable Player To A Playoff Contending Team
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The way I look at it is, the most valuable player to his team, the player who has helped his team more than any other player, not the best player from the playoff teams.
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