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AL/NL MVP
Topic Started: Sep 6 2008, 10:14 PM (2,229 Views)
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Dirty 30,Sep 25 2008
04:26 PM
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I'm just going based on what they have done, hits, doubles, runs, rbi's, over ba, obp, slg because better hits, doubles, runs, rbi's than ba, obp, slg usually will make you the more valuable player to your team. like player a has a .310/.380/.540 20 HR 100 RBI 95 runs line and then player b has a .305/.365/.515 25 HR 130 RBI 125 runs line, player B has probably been more valuable.

I'll take stats that are 100% created by the player rather than stats the have a team influence.
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Dirty 30,Sep 25 2008
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As of right now I'll go with Justin Morneau to win it. 8th in BA, 8th in OBP, 7th in OPS, 1st in games played, 9th in plate appearances, 3rd in hits, 6th in TB's, 5th in 2B's, 1st in RBI, 5th in OPS+, 6th in runs created, 3rd in adjusted batting runs, 3rd in batting wins, 4th in extra base hits, and 1st in IBB.

Do you even know what batting wins means?
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Anyways, I think Youk is a clearcut winner over Morneau. Youk has a wOBA of +56 above average, which is awesome and Morneau has a +20 wOBA above average, which is good but not great. Youk>Morneau.

After looking at some numbers.....the MVP right now is between Youk, Quentin, A-rod. Youk has played the full year, but Quentin has been the best offensive player, while A-rod is in the middle of the important categories(2nd in HR, near 2nd in wOBA, etc.)

My final vote would go to Quentin. He has the better RC/27, the best wOBA in the AL I think, and a WPA higher than Youk.
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jaysdude09,Sep 25 2008
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Anyways, I think Youk is a clearcut winner over Morneau. Youk has a wOBA of +56 above average, which is awesome and Morneau has a +20 wOBA above average, which is good but not great. Youk>Morneau.

After looking at some numbers.....the MVP right now is between Youk, Quentin, A-rod. Youk has played the full year, but Quentin has been the best offensive player, while A-rod is in the middle of the important categories(2nd in HR, near 2nd in wOBA, etc.)

My final vote would go to Quentin. He has the better RC/27, the best wOBA in the AL I think, and a WPA higher than Youk.

Well everyone knows Quetnin was the most valuable but you really shouldn't win MVP while missing the last month of the season.
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I know but I think he was just that much better than Youk and should deserve it. Its not like it was his fault for getting injured
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It wasn't his fault....but I don't see how someone could be the most valuable player when they are on the DL when their team needs them the most.
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jaysdude09,Sep 25 2008
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I know but I think he was just that much better than Youk and should deserve it. Its not like it was his fault for getting injured

Yeah it was lmao :lol:
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KeepTheFaith,Sep 25 2008
04:50 PM
Youk's been better than him at everything pretty much.

He plays for Boston so thats strike one
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KeepTheFaith,Sep 25 2008
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It wasn't his fault....but I don't see how someone could be the most valuable player when they are on the DL when their team needs them the most.

The white sox would never even be in this situation in the first place if it weren't for Quentin
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Alright first off, it was quentin's fault he got hurt. The SOB punched his bat and hit the wrong spot of his hand on the bat. And secondly, if Quentin hasn't missed every game since Sept. 2, no doubt we would probably have won this division.
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Dirty 30,Sep 25 2008
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if Quentin hasn't missed every game since Sept. 2, no doubt we would probably have won this division.

You just won the division a few minutes ago, you watching the game?

Also, this whole business about injuries not being held against an MVP candidate is one of the more ridiculous things I've ever heard.
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Yeah but still. MVP should be there in September.
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Anyways, I think Youk is a clearcut winner over Morneau. Youk has a wOBA of +56 above average, which is awesome and Morneau has a +20 wOBA above average, which is good but not great. Youk>Morneau.

After looking at some numbers.....the MVP right now is between Youk, Quentin, A-rod. Youk has played the full year, but Quentin has been the best offensive player, while A-rod is in the middle of the important categories(2nd in HR, near 2nd in wOBA, etc.)

My final vote would go to Quentin. He has the better RC/27, the best wOBA in the AL I think, and a WPA higher than Youk.

Well everyone knows Quetnin was the most valuable but you really shouldn't win MVP while missing the last month of the season.

But you voted for Manny who missed 100 Dodgers' games.
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jaysdude09,Sep 25 2008
02:28 PM
So I just skimmed the last 3 pages and some of the arguements I read are absurd. Mainly coming from PK and MR. I agree with BCB.

NL MVP: Albert Pujols, David Wright 2nd
AL MVP: I gotta go A-rod here

This is all I saw, just great, though.

Yankees are out of the playoffs, and Morneau rapes him statistically.
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BaseballKnowledge,Sep 25 2008
07:43 PM
Yankees are out of the playoffs

so...... ?


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and Morneau rapes him statistically.


whattt?

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NateFizzle,Sep 25 2008
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jaysdude09,Sep 25 2008
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Anyways, I think Youk is a clearcut winner over Morneau. Youk has a wOBA of +56 above average, which is awesome and Morneau has a +20 wOBA above average, which is good but not great. Youk>Morneau.

After looking at some numbers.....the MVP right now is between Youk, Quentin, A-rod. Youk has played the full year, but Quentin has been the best offensive player, while A-rod is in the middle of the important categories(2nd in HR, near 2nd in wOBA, etc.)

My final vote would go to Quentin. He has the better RC/27, the best wOBA in the AL I think, and a WPA higher than Youk.

Well everyone knows Quetnin was the most valuable but you really shouldn't win MVP while missing the last month of the season.

But you voted for Manny who missed 100 Dodgers' games.

I voted for Manny because I personally find it impossible to not vote for a guy who joins a borderline team, slugs .750 and boosts them into the playoffs. That's just me.
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KeepTheFaith,Sep 25 2008
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jaysdude09,Sep 25 2008
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Anyways, I think Youk is a clearcut winner over Morneau. Youk has a wOBA of +56 above average, which is awesome and Morneau has a +20 wOBA above average, which is good but not great. Youk>Morneau.

After looking at some numbers.....the MVP right now is between Youk, Quentin, A-rod. Youk has played the full year, but Quentin has been the best offensive player, while A-rod is in the middle of the important categories(2nd in HR, near 2nd in wOBA, etc.)

My final vote would go to Quentin. He has the better RC/27, the best wOBA in the AL I think, and a WPA higher than Youk.

Well everyone knows Quetnin was the most valuable but you really shouldn't win MVP while missing the last month of the season.

But you voted for Manny who missed 100 Dodgers' games.

I voted for Manny because I personally find it impossible to not vote for a guy who joins a borderline team, slugs .750 and boosts them into the playoffs. That's just me.

They're only 29-21 since the trade.
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jaysdude09,Sep 25 2008
06:38 PM
Do you even know what batting wins means?

Just seen this post, it's pretty much the runs a hitter contributes above a league average replacement level hitter divided by the number of runs needed to create another win above average.
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Youkilis: .315/.392/.573, 29 HR, 115 RBI, 56.9 VORP
Morneau: .304/.376/.507, 23 HR, 129 RBI, 47.3 VORP
Pedroia: .325/.375/.493, 17 HR, 83 RBI, 20 SB, 61.9 VORP

I am going to be pissed as shit if Morneau wins. Youkilis has better numbers all around and Pedroia has a higher VORP as a 2B.
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