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NL Cy Young Race
Topic Started: Sep 23 2008, 11:56 PM (552 Views)
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It seemed like Webb was gonna win this year, until he started struggling while Lincecum and Sabathia did great.

And now, both Lincecum and Sabathia are cooling down while Webb is a 22, possibly 23 game winner.

Lincecum is on pace for 2 straight losses unless the Giants pull an amazing comeback today, and Sabathia, well, he's kind of fallen out of the race cause he's lost a couple times.

So, is it going to be Webb, Lincecum, or someone else?

Cause Lincecum still has the K's and ERA, even with the 17-5 record, which is pretty amazing still.
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Webb has no business in it.

O hai. I has lyke 20+ wins and a mediocre era.

BUT IZ STILL CY YUNG CANDIDATE.
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Matthias the Warrior,Sep 24 2008
09:37 AM
Webb has no business in it.

O hai. I has lyke 20+ wins and a mediocre era.

BUT IZ STILL CY YUNG CANDIDATE.

A 3.24 ERA is not mediocre at all.
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In terms of Cy Young contention, it damn well is.

Lincecum is destroying him in every category except for wins. And that's easily counterbalanced by Lincecum's K totals.

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Games Started
Lincecum: 33
Webb: 33

IP
Lincecum: 220.0
Webb: 219.2

K/BB
Lincecum: 3.07
Webb: 2.79

Opponent Average
Lincecum: .223
Webb: .243

WHIP
Lincecum: 1.18
Webb: 1.20

Run Support
Webb: 5.04
Lincecum: 4.99

Conversely, it's pretty amusing that many think Lincecum gets little to no run support. He's 12th in the league (minimum 200 IP), and .4 runs ahead of Roy Halladay.
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Lincecum, hands down.
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Matthias the Warrior,Sep 24 2008
04:08 PM
In terms of Cy Young contention, it damn well is.

Lincecum is destroying him in every category except for wins. And that's easily counterbalanced by Lincecum's K totals.

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Games Started
Lincecum: 33
Webb: 33

IP
Lincecum: 220.0
Webb: 219.2

K/BB
Lincecum: 3.07
Webb: 2.79

Opponent Average
Lincecum: .223
Webb: .243

WHIP
Lincecum: 1.18
Webb: 1.20

Run Support
Webb: 5.04
Lincecum: 4.99

Conversely, it's pretty amusing that many think Lincecum gets little to no run support. He's 12th in the league (minimum 200 IP), and .4 runs ahead of Roy Halladay.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Lincecum to get the Cy Young. I'm just saying even for a Cy Young, a 3.24 ERA is still good. Last year, Sabathia had a 3.21 ERA, in 2006 Webb had a 3.10 ERA, Colon in 2005 had a 3.48 ERA, Halladay in 2003 had a 3.25 ERA, and Clemens in 2001 had a 3.51 ERA.
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Matthias the Warrior,Sep 24 2008
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In terms of Cy Young contention, it damn well is.

Lincecum is destroying him in every category except for wins. And that's easily counterbalanced by Lincecum's K totals.

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Games Started
Lincecum: 33
Webb: 33

IP
Lincecum: 220.0
Webb: 219.2

K/BB
Lincecum: 3.07
Webb: 2.79

Opponent Average
Lincecum: .223
Webb: .243

WHIP
Lincecum: 1.18
Webb: 1.20

Run Support
Webb: 5.04
Lincecum: 4.99

Conversely, it's pretty amusing that many think Lincecum gets little to no run support. He's 12th in the league (minimum 200 IP), and .4 runs ahead of Roy Halladay.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Lincecum to get the Cy Young. I'm just saying even for a Cy Young, a 3.24 ERA is still good. Last year, Sabathia had a 3.21 ERA, in 2006 Webb had a 3.10 ERA, Colon in 2005 had a 3.48 ERA, Halladay in 2003 had a 3.25 ERA, and Clemens in 2001 had a 3.51 ERA.

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but Lincecum still owns Webb in the ERA battle, too so there's not much to argue about regarding ERA right now.
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Tribe No 1 Fan,Sep 24 2008
05:21 PM
Dirty 30,Sep 24 2008
05:17 PM
Matthias the Warrior,Sep 24 2008
04:08 PM
In terms of Cy Young contention, it damn well is.

Lincecum is destroying him in every category except for wins. And that's easily counterbalanced by Lincecum's K totals.

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Games Started
Lincecum: 33
Webb: 33

IP
Lincecum: 220.0
Webb: 219.2

K/BB
Lincecum: 3.07
Webb: 2.79

Opponent Average
Lincecum: .223
Webb: .243

WHIP
Lincecum: 1.18
Webb: 1.20

Run Support
Webb: 5.04
Lincecum: 4.99

Conversely, it's pretty amusing that many think Lincecum gets little to no run support. He's 12th in the league (minimum 200 IP), and .4 runs ahead of Roy Halladay.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Lincecum to get the Cy Young. I'm just saying even for a Cy Young, a 3.24 ERA is still good. Last year, Sabathia had a 3.21 ERA, in 2006 Webb had a 3.10 ERA, Colon in 2005 had a 3.48 ERA, Halladay in 2003 had a 3.25 ERA, and Clemens in 2001 had a 3.51 ERA.

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but Lincecum still owns Webb in the ERA battle, too so there's not much to argue about regarding ERA right now.

Do you not get it? I'm not arguing whether he should be the Cy Young, since I clearly stated he shouldn't get it, but rather that a 3.24 ERA for a Cy Young winner isn't bad at all and is far from mediocre.
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ya ya ya yayaya we understand that it's not too bad, but still....
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In a year where with the absence of performance enhancing drugs, pitchers have dominated.

3.24 is decent.

I guess 4 would be considered mediocre.
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He has 4 wins on the road.
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lol @ the ip difference, only .1 ip

nevertheless, I would vote Lincecum for NL Cy
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Timmy,Sep 24 2008
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DEMPSTER needs props

yeah

and you know who I never thought would need to be mentioned, but Johan Santana...
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braveschopbraves,Sep 24 2008
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yeah

and you know who I never thought would need to be mentioned, but Johan Santana...

He won't win though because the bullpen blows to many games for him. He's 15-7 with a fantastic ERA. I don't see him winning it though.
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yeah I don't think he will either, I'm just saying he should be mentioned more...
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braveschopbraves,Sep 24 2008
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yeah

and you know who I never thought would need to be mentioned, but Johan Santana...

He won't win though because the bullpen blows to many games for him. He's 15-7 with a fantastic ERA. I don't see him winning it though.

And it's a damn shame that it's the bullpen's fault he's not being talked about enough. God I hate them...
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Matthias the Warrior,Sep 24 2008
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In terms of Cy Young contention, it damn well is.

Lincecum is destroying him in every category except for wins. And that's easily counterbalanced by Lincecum's K totals.

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Games Started
Lincecum: 33
Webb: 33

IP
Lincecum: 220.0
Webb: 219.2

K/BB
Lincecum: 3.07
Webb: 2.79

Opponent Average
Lincecum: .223
Webb: .243

WHIP
Lincecum: 1.18
Webb: 1.20

Run Support
Webb: 5.04
Lincecum: 4.99

Conversely, it's pretty amusing that many think Lincecum gets little to no run support. He's 12th in the league (minimum 200 IP), and .4 runs ahead of Roy Halladay.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Lincecum to get the Cy Young. I'm just saying even for a Cy Young, a 3.24 ERA is still good. Last year, Sabathia had a 3.21 ERA, in 2006 Webb had a 3.10 ERA, Colon in 2005 had a 3.48 ERA, Halladay in 2003 had a 3.25 ERA, and Clemens in 2001 had a 3.51 ERA.

Yeah, Lince has 2.66 and 3.24 is mediocre compared to 2.66.
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Johan = Mike Mussina in 2010-2011(going from power pitcher to finesse)
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jaysdude09,Sep 25 2008
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Dirty 30,Sep 24 2008
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Matthias the Warrior,Sep 24 2008
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In terms of Cy Young contention, it damn well is.

Lincecum is destroying him in every category except for wins. And that's easily counterbalanced by Lincecum's K totals.

---------------------------------

Games Started
Lincecum: 33
Webb: 33

IP
Lincecum: 220.0
Webb: 219.2

K/BB
Lincecum: 3.07
Webb: 2.79

Opponent Average
Lincecum: .223
Webb: .243

WHIP
Lincecum: 1.18
Webb: 1.20

Run Support
Webb: 5.04
Lincecum: 4.99

Conversely, it's pretty amusing that many think Lincecum gets little to no run support. He's 12th in the league (minimum 200 IP), and .4 runs ahead of Roy Halladay.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Lincecum to get the Cy Young. I'm just saying even for a Cy Young, a 3.24 ERA is still good. Last year, Sabathia had a 3.21 ERA, in 2006 Webb had a 3.10 ERA, Colon in 2005 had a 3.48 ERA, Halladay in 2003 had a 3.25 ERA, and Clemens in 2001 had a 3.51 ERA.

Yeah, Lince has 2.66 and 3.24 is mediocre compared to 2.66.

well yea it's pretty obvious, but again, I'm not really talking about Lincecum.
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