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| William Stryker | Dec 16 2013, 03:08 PM Post #31 |
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I was going to do this earlier, but I got bored after like 3 entries. I should have just posted it and filled in the rest after. Anyway, since I didn't do one of these for a few rounds, I'll comment a bit on the last 4 boots. Johnny really is the big one there, whereas the others I don't think impacted things as much. He definitely could win challenges, and in this format particularly, that could have been interesting to see what could come. The others all had their strengths and weaknesses, the biggest of their strengths being that they were definitely loyal numbers for their sides. However, their connections to the other sides were not that much to swing things in a different direction, I don't think. Moving on... 10 left? This is easy! 10. Natasha - This shouldn't be a surprise at all. Hell, Johann even said something about "when's the last time she even played in a challenge?" Honestly, I don't know. She's good for the sake of Anna's sanity, but otherwise doesn't offer a whole lot. I guess things could be interesting if she actually plays... and wins a challenge in this phase, but after some of the weird votes she's cast (like that Rogers one a couple rounds ago), I'd say there would only be 95% certainty that she would pick Anna if not immune. Besides the first week, she's been really only notable for winning challenges, but she's not even doing that lately, so whatever. 9. Charles - Oh how the mighty have fallen. He does have some valid points about Parker at times, but he also has no introspection and it's hard to watch. It's fair to accuse someone of acting like a child, but when you're doing the same and are the only person in the game that doesn't realize it, you need to step back and take a look in the mirror. It's a shame to see how far his game has gone downhill, but it was only a matter of time until his paranoia, coupled with his arrogance got the best of him. 8. Harry - He's just so fucking odd and everyone points at him as "wild card" and nobody truly has an idea where his loyalties are. I don't even know if he knows where his loyalties are at this point, which make it frustrating. He'd done a good job picking things up after the return, but he's kind of faded away the past few rounds, and while he's not the threat that people think he is challengewise, they'll probably treat him as such. Think about this, people. What did Pepper, Shaw, or Jean do in challenges after the swap? What's that? Nothing? So maybe you should discount his record in challenges a little bit. At least don't sit there and say "well, he won 7 individual challenges" because even the 3 since his return, one (or two?) was against the likes of Loki and Bobby who didn't win shit, and the most recent one was just the math circles. Not exactly setting the world on fire. I'm not saying he isn't capable of winning things and couldn't be a threat, but the most impressive thing is the sheer number, not the quality of win. 7. Loki - Could he win this game? Sure, if one or two breaks go his way. Tonight will be absolutely critical, and if they can manage to get 2/3 of Hank, Charles, and Harry out tonight, the next real "challenge" will be at F6, if the Genosha people band together. Johann could possibly have a full Tesseract at that point, and he may not, tilting the odds in their favor. What does he actually need? Something like him/Emma/Anna to hold together and something more. 6. Hank - I said it in the blog for this round, I sort of feel like his arc is at the conclusion point. He's done well for himself to come this far, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him win tonight, but he's been kind of all over since his return. He was ready to throw Charles away not once, but twice, and has bitched about him to others a couple times. Still, it's that connection which unfortunately could be the end of him. At this point in time though, what alternative does he have? He clutched to him for so long that his other options are beyond limited. I can't say I blame him though, because he was pretty much the biggest ally he had coming back. I just wish he noticed early enough the negative effect that Charles is having on his game. 5. Parker - Yes, he has been a whiny bitch at times, especially with his allies, ESPECIALLY with Charles, but the way that guy had been acting towards him... I get it. The difference is he's at least done something about it. The split was coming since way back on Aqua anyway, and the question is if the inroads with Loki and Emma as well as Anna and Natasha will pan out. If he's going to get to the end, I am pretty sure it's going to take 3 immunity wins. Either tonight or tomorrow, and then 2 of the last 3. I thought for a while whether or not people would give him a pass tonight if he's vulnerable because he would give them an extra hand in keeping immunity out of the hands of more undesirable people, but I can't see people giving him a free pass to next round, as it's the last round for idols, and they'd be letting him slide from F10 to F6. and now it gets really tough... 4. Emma - It feels odd putting her this "low", but I'm not going to fan myself over what is currently basically cruise control. That's a credit to how well she has positioned, and the good fortune of some of these last couple rounds, but I think ultimately the remaining 3 have given me more this past round or so to make me want to put them higher. Now, can she win this game? Most of the people that could take her out may not? I don't know. I think I could see Parker gunning for her head, but I'm not sure if others in that alliance would want to jump the gun there, nor do I think Anna on the side would ever consider it. So good job there and all. 3. Anna - I worry about her, because this merge has not been kind to her. At least for her, she's building up a large fan contingent on the jury and I'm not sure if there are people there that really hate her at all. The question is if these other people realize it? Maybe they're going to wait a round to start sorting that stuff out. It's hard to see someone having the kind of breakdowns she was having, but it's also good to see someone actually "feel", not just "think". I think her connections will be put to the test soon though. Natasha we know will have her back regardless, but Natasha may have fucked over Anna by her Tesseract choice. Those two could potentially tie a vote 4-4 with 2 of Johann/Harry/Loki and one other in their council if she'd taken a doubler. However, it just ensures that Anna would be getting the votes if in a 2-3 minority now if something like that came up, or even if all 3 of them were there and voted together. Ugh. 2. Johann - Shocker! His rants the past 24 hours have been hilarious, and his courting of Parker have been well executed. For all the talk about how the greens had been playing the middle, I think he'd been doing so more effectively during that phase, in spite of being thrown into the faceoff last night, which was more or less just to give Hank a tiny extra edge (which was moot). There have been all the worries about people like Emma and Loki, but he's just as connected with them as he has been with the Genosha people (for a while at least). He's done so without drawing too much attention to himself, and I think definitely could open some eyes at the end if he manages to get there. I don't think that will be an easy task, because so much could go wrong tonight... as well as tomorrow, but would he even be a target besides a situation where there is little other choice? With Charles, Hank, Parker, Harry, and even Natasha there, barring the situations I laid out, one or more of those 5 are likely to be in a minority (barring stacked Tesseracts) in a meeting he's in. 1. Rogers - "Plan your work. Work your plan." I'm sure he's funneling it through all the proper channels, but thus far at this point today, he seems to be one of the people that at least we can see is doing that. As I've said and will continue to say, so much can go wrong these next two rounds, but I do appreciate that he's taking the precautions and trying to set up a (near) fool-proof plan here. There can be things too much out of their control, but the thing is, I think there are people that others would go for before him. Nightmare scenario for him is being in there with an immune Charles, an idol-playing Parker, and then two of Loki/Emma/Johann. He'll probably cry and just quit if that comes up. :lol: It's all avoidable if people set up every precaution before-hand though. It's basically those two versus the bulk of people, so if people play their picks correctly, it shouldn't be that big a deal. Then again, I've doomed enough people the past week by thinking "no way will they bother with this person tonight" and they're gone. Sorry in advance, guy! |
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| William Stryker | Dec 17 2013, 02:03 PM Post #32 |
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Oh my! Final 8! DiamondPussy(tm) takes a hard hit, but it was almost always going to have to be something like that. Shame. As for Natasha, well. I've said that I didn't care much for her since really the first week and a half, but what a shit spot to be put in there last night. Maybe she could have made it through if other things worked different, but that remains to be seen at this point. However, how shitty that in her own elimination, where she knows she's marked for death, that the people only want to talk about what probably was going on in the other council? At least do her the courtesy of focusing on this or half-assed reasons why you want her out. I've been there before, so maybe that's why I get it, when instead of people even talking about the fact that they were voting me, they wanted to talk about the episode of Survivor. Gross. Final 8? Ok. 8. Harry - Well, the guys in Hydra's meeting were right when they brought up that Harry would have to be officially choosing a side though that seemed a fait accompli even before that happened. I don't dislike Harry at all, but I do dislike the thought of him making F3. It's not too unreasonable if they get a few bounces to go their way, but I just feel as though he has the least interesting story to tell there. 7. Charles - He played the last round smart with those picks and all and presumably the courting of Harry. I'm glad to see at least something that looks like genuine introspection after the longest time where he was just full of hot air. As I said before, I think he could be an interesting person to play "spoiler" and they can't dispatch him so easily, but I am not too interested in seeing it carry to the end. Really though, at least he's sort of started to realize that what he's been doing is "RG stuff" or "something else". If only he kept his head screwed on straight after the end of the first phase, because if he kept that up, the good would have easily covered up the bad. 6. Parker - I'm very happy for him winning that very clutch immunity and then getting a positive result last round. It's just "eh, idol, see you at F6" and what more could he really have to say about it? Honestly, I don't even know if there's anything for him to do. Let's say Johann gets booted tonight alongside someone else. Well, if the 3 of Harry/Charles/Hank are intact, then it just makes an obvious situation where the other person swings over, right? It's just paint by numbers right now. Well, we'll see if he can knock out one of those 3 and then hold on to numbers. He'll be more interesting next round. This round? It's win or play the idol, or win and then pass the idol. Thrilling stuff! 5. Hank - I just don't like how his fate is more or less tied to having to almost exclusively work with Charles and Harry. Sure, he can try to finagle something else, and may be able to, but it's just so weird. I'm sorta rooting for him, but not for the success of that threesome as a unit. Yes, something like Rogers/Parker/Johann would be "obvious" and "systematic" and that doesn't mean thrilling gameplay, but if I have to pick my poison, it would be that. Sorry, guy. Now, let me say though. I've said that his story arc can end any time and it will be fine, no big deal. How far did bjork make it in KVAS after being first boot? Part of me wants to see just how people would react to someone like that being in the finals. So, if he can outlast those people, I'd be interested to see it, I guess. 4. Johann - alol @ him not getting even a 4th piece last night. I don't even know why Parker gave his to Loki. Was it to curry favor with him or just to throw a piece to someone and hope it's knocked out before another Tesseract comes into play? Anyway, Johann has been quite logical in this game and shrewd with his moves. There have been a lot of mistakes made, and they are all around him, but not really by him at all, unless I consider booting Yuriko over Susan back on C-E. The more I think about it, the more I worry about his chances to win here. Can he get enough support without Rogers being on the jury early enough? Otherwise I think he would have to rely on anti-Parker and anti-Rogers people seeing him as the alternative to some degree. I don't think that's fair to him, because he's more than just "not the person that did those things they did", but I don't know if they will see things that way. If he were on 4 pieces now or a full Tesseract, I would be much more confident about his position and power in this game. It's going to be tricky and people are keen on doing damage to opposing groups. If he doesn't have one, it creates an imbalanced vote tonight and he could be done in. 3. Rogers - I do like his thought process about his. If he had two, not one, top ally with a Tesseract, things could be really easy for him. The problem is it makes it tougher to protect one because the only way to work it is if it goes say Parker with the first pick taking Rogers and the other side not taking Johann just to purposely fuck shit up. Maybe after all these years, I've rubbed off on him with all my craziness and mapping out scenarios because he seems to be planning that way with Johann. It's smart, and they have to be that way. They also need a few things to fall into place. It does amuse me the negative SPV he gets here though. He does have one of the clearer paths to the end though, and unless Parker is the 2nd picker and he is the first pick just because it would doom him, what trouble should he be in tonight? Doing so would put another ally in danger on the other side, so I doubt it. Well, good luck. 2. Anna - Can her friends ever stop dying? This is weird because it probably has the same impact as a pagonging, where she's watching one after another go to jury. It's not the worst thing for her if people don't realize this. Can she stay resilient and hope that those two groups just are focused on each other? I wouldn't be surprised, and I would be glad to see her finally be able to exhale and watch them take shots at each other. She needs something to finally go right, so hopefully tonight. However, I'm not even sure what is her best course tonight. Picking Loki who picks the 3rd person from one of the groups, who is forced to take the 3rd from the other group and hope those two are voting each other? It's all about the Tesseracts, unfortunately, and she's got Loki here who doesn't help her make a majority, or at least a tie, in most situations. 1. Loki - I'll give him his meltdowns over Emma. I've flipped out in similar situations, and I've flipped out for people that probably meant less to me than Emma meant to him. I'm not sure if he can get out of this hole because as he put it, the natural course of this is that there are two "threesomes" in this game. Similar stuff like I said about Anna. They really need to just work this and try to make it happen. Also, they need to try to make it happen smoother than when Loki and Emma were in the middle and everyone knew about it. It doesn't have to be over for him, but he needs to catch a break soon. Plus, he needs to pray that if it ends up say Anna > Loki > Parker's group > Charles's group (or reverse the last two) that the latter two don't say "you know what? let's just vote Loki". If he can get Johann, or if he can get Harry (if he doesn't get the last piece), at least he stands a chance. |
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| William Stryker | Dec 17 2013, 02:10 PM Post #33 |
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Who did I doom tonight? I don't know. I'm sorry in advance!
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| William Stryker | Dec 19 2013, 09:32 AM Post #34 |
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and here we are, one challenge to go, one more step. Let's look back at the two that died last night. First, I'll deal with Rogers. There is the camp that no matter what would believe that he shits gold, or that people would think others are of that mind. There are then people like him, who completely downplays what he's done. Personally, I think it's somewhere in the middle, but leaning slightly towards the former. His faults cannot be denied, and he would address them if he were to have made it, though the "phony" cloud that circled above his head is one that is hilarious, but something he couldn't escape. Then again, how many of the people in the F20 couldn't be accused of the same thing at some points. I wanted to hate him, if not for any other reason than this guy representing AMERICA, and I have had my issues at times. Overall, I maintain a positive feeling towards him. Now, then we have Charles. I know I've shat on him a bit in recent rounds, and he does deserve a lot of that. I think he's come around to realize that a lot of stuff he's done is worthy of scorn as well. That doesn't mean that it is the only thing I'll remember from him. He took a hit in round 1, but in spite of losing his marbles, he kept churning forward and played great the first week and a half or so. His eyes were bigger than his stomach though. He was always looking for more, and was incapable to not want to take more on, plan too far ahead. Now, some people have been playing round-to-round, and that's also valid, but if he had scaled things down and been more introspective, this would be a lot better. I honestly do wish that things never got to the point where he utterly frustrated me, because I absolutely enjoyed him the first half of the game. Shit, he was the only one other than Kurt who finished #1 in the tribe rankings each time during the first phase. Now on to the final 4... I'm going to try something different here, but I guess I'll do an actual ranking at the end. [align=center] ![]() Overall, she's had a really curious journey during this game. She joins Misfit Island (Titan) that is the opposite sort of trainwreck than would be expected. It's basically a "send me a PM a day, and you're fine", totally chillaxed tribe. She completely ruled that tribe though, because there was never a chance for something to happen there without her knowing, and without her approving. Everyone assumed they were with her, and for the life of me, I don't know exactly who would have been her 1 and 2, but that doesn't matter. What matters is the resiliency that she has exhibited. The second grouping - Utopia? Again, simple shit. She had her Titans all in a row and it was just a matter of time. Perhaps she turned off a few people by the things that happened there, but I'm sure some of them have half a brain and can realize that in her position, she did exactly what she should have done. The third grouping - Pyro. alol, this was Titan 3.0, wasn't it? Again, things were more or less automatic there. Logan going was one of the biggest hits she took personally, but the pull there, with the strength that she and others had exhibited, it was just going to be a Titan thing. Overall, she's played it cool and calm. She's taken some hits but hasn't seemed to lose it, when any of us probably wouldn't blame her if she did. Now, it's been a fairly simple path in spite of that, which isn't a bad thing, but of the 4, she hasn't been as "tested" as some. That's not a swipe at her, because it would be comparing apples to oranges, and the "toughest test" versus "easy road" doesn't mean it has to tilt one way or another. ![]() This guy, lol. He's had a great journey in this, and I do think he has a skewed view on how this shapes out, but he's been good overall. It still is a bit surprising to see someone that was supposed to be 6th on that opening tribe be able to survive. He's won a lot of challenges, and I know I've said that they should discount some of those wins, but how in the fuck did he do that one last night so fast? Yikes. He survived that first phase because of two things. First, he won that last immunity which removed all doubt, but also because of the intentions of the others. They knew what they were getting into. He put himself into that situation where it forced their hand to think a little ahead, absolutely. I don't even remember where he was... Muir Island? That was a non-starter for so many people. Shit, most of them were that way. He lost, he came back, and we're at the present. For him, I really think his biggest struggle would be fighting off the notion of him being impulsive and/or unpredictable. Even with the finals on the line tonight (well, not really for him), he's got this idea in his head that he could beat Anna. Well, even if he had most of the votes he thinks he has, she still has about 6 people or so that should be considered "locks" via Titan/other tribes/SG. I think he's put in more here than people will give him credit for, but at the end of the day, he really is reaching for 2nd with some of his locked in votes. Even those, I'm not too sold on, unless he changes his mind and wants to get Loki there, but that would more than likely result in a 4-4 tie. ![]() Ahh, Loki... Throughout this game, I never saw him as an underdog. I thought of him as a real contender a few times, but whatever the opposite of underdog is, I didn't really see him fitting that billing. Truly, I'm not sure what he can do here. They all seem to be too wary of him, being inoffensive or whatnot, probably having more support than Anna, or just not being liked enough. Could this be a situation where this game ends like GH? Shit, I'm not ruling that out completely, though even if it comes to 4-4, would he win a tie-breaker? Against whom? I'd definitely be content with him winning this game, but with people overlooking some of the obvious, I don't know if that's realistic at all. Though he's been a whiny bitch at times, he's done well. He did mishandle a few people pretty hard, but time after time, the right people that he needed were the people that stuck with him. So credit to that. Barely staying over Ivan was a real turning point I think, not just with his game, but overall. ![]() We know that he's going to get shat on way more than he deserves at the FTC, and that's also why that they all will want to go there with him. I don't really get it. I probably shouldn't have even said what I said in jury, but the level of hypocrisy is at like level 11 in this game. Let's first talk about his idol, which is like the thing that everyone is going to be drawn towards. He got it, but this was a far different situation than say, Justin. He had made his bonds well enough prior to that. On Asteroid-M, it looked as though people shifted because of that for whatever reason. On Kandahar, how much control did he have? He had safety, for sure. He had good relationships with the swings, so it wasn't going to be him, even though as time went on, shit kept hitting the fan. He's definitely lost his cool at times, but who hasn't? Who doesn't? Maybe it's an incessant thing. I don't know, but whining breeds whining and when it becomes a two-way thing, it just flourishes. Now, with this endgame? Well shit. Rogers had a great post about him. I think it was too little, too late though. I am pretty sure that these jurors will focus more on trying to make sure he gets 3rd, and while I think that Anna or Loki would deserve a win more than him, I don't think he in any way deserves what he's going to get here. Final Ranking: 1. Anna 2. Parker 3. Loki 4. Harry I don't know if that's based on how much I like them or how much I hope each individual wins, or who I think has played the best. It's just what it is. [/align] |
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| Stan Lee | Dec 22 2013, 04:59 PM Post #35 |
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My first cast ranking ![]() 50. Jane 49. Azazel 48. James Rhodes 47. Mandarin 46. Nick Fury 45. Odin 44. Heimdall 43. Von Doom 42. Mary Jane 41. Jean Grey 40. Gwen Stacy 39. Daredevil 38. Silver Surfer 37. Clint 36. Justin Hammer 35. Eddie Brock 34. Sebastian 33. Remy 32. Susan Storm 31. Elektra 30. Thor 29. Natasha 28. Bobby Drake 27. Curt Connors 26. Magneto 25. Norman Osborn 24. Reed Richards 23. Deadpool 22. Doc Ock 21. The Thing 20. Pepper Potts 19. Ororo 18. Ivan Vanko 17. Bruce Banner 16. Harry Osborn 15. Logan 14. Iron Man 13. Prof X 12. Johnny Storm 11. Scott Summers 10. Kurt Wagner 9. Johann Schmidt 8. Steve Rogers 7. Raven Darkholme 6. Emma Frost 5. Loki 4. Peter Parker 3. Hank McCoy 2. Yuriko 1. Anna Marie That was hard. |
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| White Queen | Dec 23 2013, 04:57 AM Post #36 |
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| Lady Deathstrike | Dec 23 2013, 06:25 AM Post #37 |
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Stan :lol: I still think you are probs trolling me though
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| The Thing | Dec 23 2013, 08:20 AM Post #38 |
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It was 90 posts per page thank you very much :rolleyes: |
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| White Queen | Dec 23 2013, 08:27 AM Post #39 |
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DiamondPussy™
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That was actually one of the reasons I thought you were RDN
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| Lady Deathstrike | Dec 23 2013, 08:30 AM Post #40 |
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I did this, but how do you even know i do this?
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| Mr. Fantastic | Dec 23 2013, 08:32 AM Post #41 |
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Stan, while I appreciate being ranked in the top 1/2 despite being an early casualty, Scott Summers above me? OVER YOU. |
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| Stan Lee | Dec 23 2013, 08:35 AM Post #42 |
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Scott was great in this =/ And I never like madhack characters. |
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| White Queen | Dec 23 2013, 08:36 AM Post #43 |
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I think Budd told me in Grindhaus or smth |
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| Mr. Fantastic | Dec 23 2013, 08:42 AM Post #44 |
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Whatever. :rolleyes: He obviously didn't give a shit about you since he never returned after he lost the duel. At least you have Jean Grey in the back of the pack. What a try hard just like she's always been. |
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| Stan Lee | Dec 23 2013, 08:43 AM Post #45 |
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If I had actually payed attention to her confessional or the tribes she was on, she would have been dead last lol. She is the reason why I could just not deal with Zenn La and that other tribe she was on. Can't stand her. |
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