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Outcast strategy; Plotting our victory!
Topic Started: Jul 17 2013, 06:31 PM (215 Views)
Leia
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Alright so we have discussed the divide and conquer strategy a little. Anyone want to pick up from there?
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OK, off the cuff, this is what I see as some options:

1) Divide and Conquer
• Any strategy that pulls from both "camps" (assuming there are two clear ones), weakening both and strengthening the Outcasts.
• Any strategy that inserts one each of the Outcasts into each oft he two "camps", where they work to undermine each, either from creating chaos or from wedging open cracks.

2) Flip the Majority
• Any strategy that involves the Outcasts using their two votes to overcome the numbers of the Majority Camp.

3) Nestle In
• A strategy that involves getting in with either the majority or the minority and using pre-existing relationships to create a new core alliance that takes over once the numbers get low enough for a coup.

What am I missing? I know I haven't thought this through completely yet. Thoughts?
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Max: #1 - Divide and conquer is a great plan but the "creating chaos" plan didn't work so much for me. :P Juliet and myself started out with this plan but I didn't trust her enough to continue with it. My BAD!!

#2 - Voting blocks of two are pretty powerful in this game. That might work

#3 - Best option!! Figure out who is on the outside of the core alliance and work with them. Maybe by the time the outcasts get back in the game, the remaining players will realize their value.



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Leia: I struggled with the same issue you did on the original Krypton tribe. I didn't make enough connections in the beginning of the game and the other ladies bonded before I could make a good impression on them.

More juicy tidbits to come.............I will post in the story time thread later and tell you what was going on from my perspective.

I need to take care of errand but will be back later!!
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Lois,Jul 17 2013
09:51:10 PM
Max: #1 - Divide and conquer is a great plan but the "creating chaos" plan didn't work so much for me. :P Juliet and myself started out with this plan but I didn't trust her enough to continue with it. My BAD!!

I agree that the Chaos method is risky. Westley never actually did that, but everyone believed he did, and as a result had a lot of people stacked against him early on. Also, creating that kind of mayhem really isn't my game. I don't mind benefiting from it, but creating it is against my game philosophy.

But there are other ways to undermine an alliance from within - again, against my game philosophy - like forwarding incriminating PMs, or revealing voting strategy to someone on the other side, or coming just short in a critical challenge.

I agree that option three is the safest option - it doesn't put you out there with any real action, it just requires that you be able to trust the people you choose to work with.

Flipping the Majority is a short term plan, It will put control in the hands of the formerly minority camp, but it does nothing to survive their own downsizing, or at least, not on it's own. Maybe a combination of 2) and 3), if you can find that comfortable core in the minority?
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Having both outcasts go to opposing sides of the game and figuring out everything that's going on and sharing that information could be a very smart ploy but personally if I was in the game still I would be highly suspicious of them for that very reason. I think the third option is the best and it was going to be my plan in the merge. Keep talking to everyone. Feel them all out and try to re-establish connections that I had with people pre-tribe and pre-swap and from there figure out who woud be the best alliance to move forward. Not only who would work best with me, but who would work best with each other so there would be less of a chance of people flipping.

Chaos Theory is something to think about but it takes a certain mindset and a certain kind of player to really pull it off well. I don't say good things about the guy that often but Russell Hantz is a perfect example of this. He plays the Chaos Theory. The trick with it is it will only work if nobody else knows your shit already which is why he couldn't succeed in Redemption Island. It's very tricky to successfully pull off.
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And disastrous when you get caught.
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Exactly. And I think because of the fact that multiple players thought that that was what Westley was doing in the game that they will be highly suspicious of it from other players and especially the Outcasts. Probably not the strategy to go with.

Laying somewhat low for the first round but not so low you're gone but chatting with people and then afterwards stringing together your connections into a new alliance is the key in my opinion.
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In other words, starting as if from day one...

Let me think about that. I think whatever we do is going to be a lot of uphill climbing. I kinda flinch at a scenario that also suggests starting from scratch. But you might be right. I'm going to sleep on it.
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Interesting theories guys. Thanks for sharing. It would also be cool to send two outcasts who have the ability to do well in challenges. It certainly helps you to stay alive while you work your magic to reestablish your prior relationships while feeling it out to see if there is any wiggle room in those alliances with cracks.


I will just put it out there, I am not the best at challenges and I don't believe I will be well received if I were to return to the game. (although it would be great entertainment and some added shock value, lol) I am starting a new position at work and don't have the time to invest to play hard and keep my head in the game enough to bring a big win to Team Outcast.

We need to send the two players who believe that have what it takes to get back in the game and make something happen with the second chance they are being given. I will be happily cheering from the sidelines, every step of the way.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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i like the talk guys. max you have the advantage that people don't trust you. for a lot of us we'd just have to put most of our stock in the few people left that would be willing to trust us and just nestle with them
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Westley, did you mean to say that a lot of people don't trust me? Because, if that's what you meant, I don't see how that's any kind of advantage. Also, I don't buy that people don't trust me. In your own words, Bonsai's concern was that they thought too many people outside of Bonsai DID trust me.

Or maybe that was a typo?
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Johnny,Jul 17 2013
11:07:33 PM
Exactly. And I think because of the fact that multiple players thought that that was what Westley was doing in the game that they will be highly suspicious of it from other players and especially the Outcasts. Probably not the strategy to go with.

Laying somewhat low for the first round but not so low you're gone but chatting with people and then afterwards stringing together your connections into a new alliance is the key in my opinion.

OK, I've been thinking about it, and I believe you're right, Johnny. Avoiding undue notice to start with, but forging bonds with a few people that you'd connected with earlier on is probably the right approach.

So, if both Outcasts are bonding with different people, that expands the network and offers more options.

HOWEVER, if both Outcasts are bonding with more or less the same people, the actual number of people involved is more manageable and more likely to be tight-knit.

Anybody see any flaws in that thinking?
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Lois,Jul 18 2013
12:12:57 AM
I will just put it out there, I am not the best at challenges and I don't believe I will be well received if I were to return to the game.  (although it would be great entertainment and some added shock value, lol)  I am starting a new position at work and don't have the time to invest to play hard and keep my head in the game enough to bring a big win to Team Outcast.

We need to send the two players who believe that have what it takes to get back in the game and make something happen with the second chance they are being given.  I will be happily cheering from the sidelines, every step of the way.

:D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

Understandable.

If you would like to officially withdraw your name for consideration............please give me a confirmation here.

If so, Lois would be ineligible to vote FOR. However, we would definitely need you here tonight for the Outcast Tribal Council and we'd still need you to place your two votes
for who you want to return.



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Maximus,Jul 18 2013
02:10:05 AM
Westley, did you mean to say that a lot of people don't trust me? Because, if that's what you meant, I don't see how that's any kind of advantage. Also, I don't buy that people don't trust me. In your own words, Bonsai's concern was that they thought too many people outside of Bonsai DID trust me.

Or maybe that was a typo?

I'm pretty sure it was a typo. People did trust you and you were very well liked. That was why you were voted out.
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