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~ WELCOME TO THE JURY HOUSE, MAXIMUS! ~
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Greetings, Maximus!



Well, this Final 8 was quite possibly the craziest round I've ever witnessed in my life!!!!! And safe to say that tonight's Tribl Council made it even more jaw-dropping!!!!! You've been a giant in this game with a chance to come back in, and you fought hard in the Coliseum and were a worthy adversary..........only to take the fall again.



I've added a FINAL WORDS topic to your Confessional, and once it's done, I'll post your Final Words in tonight's Tribal Council for everyone to see.



And be sure to check the JURY HOUSE DETAILS thread for more info about your time here.




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~ A few questions for you to answer as you get settled in:





1) When Laurie offered to take the fall............WHY DIDN'T YOU POUNCE ON THAT???



2) How many targets were there this round that you know of?


3) Rewind to right after Romeo went at F9. Would you approach this F8 round differently now?





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Welcome Spaniard! It is a pleasure to finally have some company around here. I must say, when I left, I was rooting for your downfall - but tonight's tribal, and your poignant musings, made it less sweet. Sorry to see you go, again, but you truly were a great player. I thought that back in the beginning and I still know that.

Selfishly, what was going on the round I left? I really was looking to break up Trip-Daniel-Apollo as it seemed very obvious they were a power trio since early in the game. Would love to hear your perspective on it.

Loved you and Laurie calling out Trip. Trip's logic failed him the round you went home and that raised alarms to me, but since I was stuck with him every round, I thought he'd see the value in my allegiance and I'd grow in value, but the Lucy vote was poorly played (on his part) and his reasoning after the fact was laughable. Good player, no doubt, but is his style ultimately worthy of reward?

And you, love to hear your side of all the craziness that went down this round apparently. I've been away (was only using my phone Thursday, exhaustion personified), but can't wait to catch up, hear your tales, compare notes, make fun of the other players, and enjoy the rest of the game.

Cheers.

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First, to answer Brobst's questions:

1) There are three reasons I didn't pounce on Laurie's offer: First, it would not have made any difference. Those who decided this vote were set on voting for me. Second, I felt it possible to win a little respect for turning her down. But really, the bond between Laurie and I was very real - and I didn't want her to sabotage her game, even if her chances were slim, just to save me. I'm a sentimental sap.

2) Well, right after Thursday Tribal, Wes was the choice everyone was talking about, while Wes was trying to rally a vote for Apollo. After the ... explosion ... on Saturday night, it was clear that Wes and Trip were including me as a possible vote as well, depending on whether they could get me and Laurie, or Apollo and Dan, on board. After I decided that they were doing just this, it went firmly between me and Wes. After Wes won immunity, that changed to me and Trip.

3) At that point? No. But on Saturday night, I would definitely have talked with Laurie before trying to throw in with Wes and Trip. She would have talked me down at that point, for sure. But there was no way I was trusting Wes, and once I heard what Trip was saying to Dan and Apollo, I suddenly realized Trip was playing the same flipping game that Wes was.
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ROMEO!!

Man, it's good to see you again.

You're asking a lot of questions, and I'm just going to have to hand them out piecemeal. I'm fried, and will need frequent breaks to settle the nerves.

Daniel-Trip-Apollo - that may have been going on, but that wasn't my perception. There are still things I'm unsure of, but from my perspective, Apollo, Daniel, Laurie and I were F4, and really should have been. Trip was the fly in that ointment, and I'm telling you right now, he's not tight with Dan and Apollo. We brought him in as a Fifth right after the Lucy vote, and he immediately suggested you as his target, since we'd just ousted Lucy, and were believed to have multiple alliances all over the place. It was about that time that I decided I was going to have to cut Westley out sooner rather than later, because I knew he was a squirrely bastard and was likely to engineer something nasty if I gave him enough time. Since you and he were working together (nominally with me and Laurie), I was willing to go for you as the target that night.

The other part of that is that Trip gave us the Lucy vote without a hitch, giving us all the lowdown on her various conflicting agreements. Laurie and I foolishly started to trust him. And when your vote went off without a hitch, that trust deepened. Laurie offered him a F3 with me, so when he mentioned the offer to me I was stuck - you don't turn those things down if you don't want to look like prey. And, for awhile, we - Laurie and I - were sincere. This was supposed to be our ace in the hole, since I was pretty sure Dan and Apollo were going to move against us at F7. Despite our F4 arrangement.

Sorry this is so dense. There was a lot going on there.
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Here's the thing.

Apollo and Trip worked together to strong arm Dan and get rid of you with the first vote of the game. They then had a lot of time (especially Apollo and Dan) to further those bonds with you on the sidelines (presumably for good).

Why do you think you move up? You had a lot of value because you were immune and there was a ton of jockeying for position initially, but the move to get rid of Lucy, when Trip HAD the numbers to move forward with her, was a move solely to better his chances of moving forward with Apollo and Dan instead.

If Trip hadn't half-assed his reason for booting Lucy, than I might have sat back and played the "loyal pawn" role. Instead, I felt like the numbers were dwindling and the time was running out to flip the script. I thought I had 4 votes and just needed 1.

I focused a lot on Laurie. I thought getting rid of Apollo allowed her to simultaneously keep you and Dan in the game and give her tons of options moving forward while weakening the chances of those guys controlling things. I thought you might be receptive as well, and I tried to lay it on the table with you - and I was the ONLY Bonsai not to screw you over before, ha. It was a hail mary - hell, I was relying on Wes - but I wasn't content sitting around after Trip, smartly or not is yet to be determined, got rid of Lucy.

Congrats on making the most of your second chance though. I was genuinely happy to see you come back even if things never really panned out. Also, selfishly, happy to see you here, because I know intelligent dialogue and commentary will be had.
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Trip HAD a F5 with me, Lucy, Atreyu and Rose. And he aggressively blew that up to ensure his path forward with Apollo and Dan. That's my take on it.
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He told me about that, but also that Lucy had two other alliances, plus a F3 with him.

And he wasn't specifically trying to join Apollo and Dan. He was willing to take on any alliance that he could destroy. That's his game - keep breaking them down by getting inside, finding the desperate outsiders, and using them to break the one he was in at the time. And he'll keep doing that until they either get wise to him and vote him out, or he gets to F3, at which time he's rolling the dice.
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Well, we're both not Trip, so whatever we say, it's just our estimated, educated guess, at what his game plan is, or where his loyalties lie.

I had EXTENSIVE conversations with him at F10 about our path forward, breaking down every vote until the F2. There was a VERY solid path there that he could have easily gone with. Lucy was not a threat to him personally, no matter what "deals" he was telling you about that made him "nervous", I think he knew this.

I think he wanted to make sure he could be in a position to play with Apollo and Dan. If you had went at F9, he would have lost a lot of control or ability to maneuver.

I'm not blaming him for taking the path he did - it might work out better for him - but his reasoning was insulting.

As for our relationship - when I thought my life was on the line at the merge, I was really, really open and genuine to working with you. The double-boot round was crazy, with allegiances swinging everywhere, but enough people had slightly and cleverly poisoned my opinion of Laurie where I became skeptical of her. I also naively felt like things were going well for me. You became extraneous to the game I thought I had lined up - until Lucy went.

I understand why you wouldn't have been eager to jump back in with me. I will be very interested to see how it goes this round. It seems incredibly improbable, but Atreyu-Rose-Wes-Laurie need to work together to take out one of those three guys. Even if it's a perceived threat, and not a reality, that perception is reason enough to eliminate it.
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I hope you're wrong, because Laurie is now pretty tightly tied in with Dan and Apollo. She trusts them, much more than I did, which is why Saturday night happened.
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Apollo's game is not my cup of tea. Completely ignores you if you are not in his game plan. I think he's good - hell, every player left is good in some way - but it's not a style I personally like.

Who do you think will be joining us Tuesday?

And where does Atreyu fit in in all of this?
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Atreyu blows with the wind. He'll be around awhile as a vote for hire.

I *think* Laurie's joining us next, but things got really mixed up with this vote. She perceives Dan as her only remaining friend, but Dan's smart enough to realize he's on a sinking boat. He'll jump in and swim to the nearest land, most likely with Apollo.

Now, his closeness to Apollo is going to make those two Trip's number one target, I think. So there's an even chance it will be one of them.

I know, you think they're in cahoots with Trip, but I think I understand Trip's game now. He'll try to cut one of them out of the herd while forming up with Wes and Rose or Wes and Atreyu. Then he'll probably cut out Atreyu next.
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And poor Rose - just cluelessly slipping through the game, ha.

It should be clear that Rose, Laurie, and Atreyu could use each other this round. Just need one. Of course, that's what I thought as well.

Taking a step back, I don't even know who I want to win or am rooting for to win. Wes cannot win. I doubt Rose can win. Apollo would have a very hard time earning my vote. That leaves Atreyu, Trip, Laurie, and Dan. And Trip is only in there tentatively.

Lot can change, and we'll get a lot more information as other Jurors roll in - but just my stance right now.

Again, happy to have you. Sorry about the second boot.
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Apollo's game is not my cup of tea. Completely ignores you if you are not in his game plan. I think he's good - hell, every player left is good in some way - but it's not a style I personally like.

Who do you think will be joining us Tuesday?

And where does Atreyu fit in in all of this?

Romeo I didn't message you because all I ever got was total BS from you. All your messages to me were so well constructed that it showed. Several of us talked about it...hell we even compared some messages and realized they were like Mad libs where you would just fill in specifics depending on who you were sending the message to.

Once we merged I knew exactly where I stood with you because everyone told me that you were targeting me. At that point you would only message me right before a vote to try and pump me for information. So it wasn't a 'style' of play it was a reaction to what I was getting.

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I disagree with certain parts of that.

I DEFINITELY sent you messages when we merged and you weren't responsive.

Prior to the merge it was my sincere hope to hook back up with you and Dan, but immediately when we merged Trip was bombarding me and telling me that you were targeting me and that you were trying desperately to roll in a different direction. Even despite that, I still sent messages out to you, but your short responses only reenforced what Trip was telling me. It put us at a disadvantage immediately, and it was hard to overcome.

It's fine if I wasn't in your plans. But I never targeted you, or talked of targeting you, until the round I went. I thought it was the only chance I really had after being left in the dark for the Lucy boot - a boot I would have been 100% fine with had I been clued in - again, kudos Trip for the set-up.

Atreyu, whether genuine or not, sent me extensive messages about going after you despite playing to you and Trip that he was with you. Wes had been tunnel visioned on it. I thought Rose would go for it considering her circumstances. And I genuinely thought I could get Laurie too as well based on my conversations with her. I obviously erred, and didn't know the entirety of dynamics, but I felt like my number was going to be called whether I sat my idly or swung for the fences. I chose the latter.

But, without having access to my messages, I do think it's a falsehood to say I only messaged you prior to votes. I sent you numerous messages and wouldn't hear from you for a day or even longer, and when I would, it would be one or two sentence responses. Whether that was because of real life time constraints or not, I don't know. Hell, even the last day I tried to open up to you about being "pitted against each other" by Trip and you didn't message me once.

Again, that's fine. If you have a hard time talking to someone you are going to vote out or don't want to work with, to each it's own, I was just stating that it would ultimately be hard for me to vote for anyone, not just you, who ignored me. And again, a lot of my disappointment with you, especially in the game, is because I actually felt closest to you at Bonsai before we got split up.

No matter. Great game. it was a blast - I'm sorry it ended sooner than you would have liked, but we will make the most of it. Really enjoying the open conversation.
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I knew that you were busy in the first stages of the game and I understood that so I didn't think much of it when we didn't talk that much before Bonsai.

I enjoyed our talks on Bonsai and at that point really did feel like we were a tight group (even with Wes). I really was on board with the Bonsai guys. I knew I was tight with Dan and Max. I was getting really close with Trip as well. I felt like you and I were establishing a connection as well. Hell I even maintained my relationship with Wes. Things were good.

Then I started to think that Max seemed to be pulling away and I worried that you and Max might be trying to drawn Dan in closer to you than he was to me. Dan assured me that wasn't the case but Trip was convinced that was what was going on. That's when we started comparing messages from you and several were very similar. To the point they seemed calculating and put together which on lead to more suspicion.

Trip was quick to point out all the alliances that Max was making as well and that's when Trip and I decided to pull Dan back into the fold and make him more loyal to us. So the vote against Max was set into motion and we used our best weapon to help pull it off...Wes. Trip and I had maintained that relationship with Wes for just this sort of occasion and we cashed in. With most of the Trip plans I started to regret it about half way in but by that point we had gone to far not to follow through.

Once Max was removed from the equation Dan was back in full force giving us 3 in the 5. The general consensus was you were harder to read and more likely to flip in a swap situation. So we decided to throw the challenge.

Knowing a swap was most likely we discussed our plan of attack. Trip and I both felt we had a good relationship with Lucy and some of her friends so the plan was if we got split up that was what we were going to work towards...getting ourselves in a good position with the Lucy click. The plan was to use or lose you or Wes to protect ourselves in any dicey situations. So going into the swap that was the information I was going on.

I ended up on Krypton with Dan and you, Wes and Trip on Jedi. The more Krypton won the more evident that you and Trip had found some common ground and were working together in some sense. Another thing that became evident was that you and Juliet were forming some sort of bond as well (you could tell the way you two would comment back and forth at challenges). Then Laurie filled me and Dan in on a little secret. The Krypton girls alliance and their plan to snag a guy and bring him into their fold for the merge. The girls planned a "girl power" theme for the game. We assumed you were the guy that Juliet had in mind.

As we got closer to the merge the Krypton 7 (yeah what a joke) laid out a plan that we would all stick together and take out the remaining Jedi members before turning on one another. Of course this was total crap and I knew it then but it was openly discussed. So naturally the girls started looking at primary targets and of course they thought it should be Trip and you.

Even though I knew they were going after all the guys (Bonsai first followed lastly by loyal Atreyu) I knew they would most likely go after a Jedi guy first. Naturally I did not want that to be Trip. So that was why I suggested your name...and it sounds like Trip was being way too dramatic with you about how hard I pushed for you. It wasn't that hard because the girls didn't really care either way.

As soon as we merged Trip told me about working well with you so I immediately backed off and was serious at that point about me, you, Trip, Dan forming a solid block. I suspect the was around the time Trip started trashing me to you because shortly after I was starting to warm up to you Trip started telling me how you were gunning for me hardcore. He told me not to worry about it because he had my back and that he could control you. So that was why I was withdrawn from you because I believed what Trip was telling me about you.

Romeo he really played us against one another in a major way.
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