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| Romeo | Jul 31 2013, 07:26 PM Post #31 |
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You really think Atreyu is no-game? I'm actually probably most impressed with his game out of the remaining players. It's a tough thing to do to play the middle, stay out of people's way, and float with the majority. |
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| Maximus | Jul 31 2013, 07:41 PM Post #32 |
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Which is why, in my scenario, he gets the win. But his game has no action, no mobility. Just sit back, find out where the majority is, and jump in that pool. You only have to be close enough to people to get them to ask you to join them for this one vote. Every time. You don't have to become close, you don't have to engender trust, you just have to gauge the direction of the wind and open your sail. It's not no-game, but it's damned close. |
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| Romeo | Jul 31 2013, 07:45 PM Post #33 |
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I respectfully disagree. I think it is an extremely difficult game to not only play, but to pull off. I think it's much more common to find a player with Trip's strategy, if not his ability, than it is to find a player succeed playing Atreyu's way. To be able to sit back, put your ego aside, access the people around you, not ruffle any feathers, and never have the spotlight on you - that takes a special player. His strategy, or as much as he told me, was to sit back and let players blow-up around him, and thus far that's exactly what's happened. I'm really impressed with his game, and he's probably who I am rooting for at this point. |
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| Apollo | Jul 31 2013, 08:05 PM Post #34 |
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I can respect Atreyu's game and even admire it a bit. That being said I don't think you can make it to the F2 without being prepared to make a move or two. Sure you and follow the numbers to the top but that's not going to get you into the F2. Everyone knows the game that Atreyu is playing (its not that hard to see) but everyone also knows that he is well like by everyone...so not necessarily someone that you want next to you at the FTC. Most players that play the numbers game start to run out of numbers at F5 or F4. That being said I think Atreyu is a very smart guy and more than capable of realizing this and making a move when he needs to. I wouldn't count the guy out by any means. |
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| Maximus | Jul 31 2013, 08:28 PM Post #35 |
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Yes, very true, and he's the main factor - IMO - that can blow up the boot order I've called. If he can manage to pull a move that changes his game - and thus, everyone else's - and make it to the FTC, he may even get my vote. It's not that I don't admire the skill of what he's done. It's that it has a huge possibility of blowing up in his face. Not only because people recognize it, but also because your average jury won't reward it. That's the flaw in that plan. His best chance at winning with his strategy is to have someone that NO ONE likes sitting next to him. Well, he has Wes. Or to have someone that nobody has seen any game out of, but with a big move to show he's got it. And for that he has Rose. Still some game to go, though. We'll see.
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| Apollo | Jul 31 2013, 08:56 PM Post #36 |
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I agree. Atreyu's best shot at winning is to be sitting next to Wes or Rose at the end. Given the right situation I would vote for Atreyu but I would need to hear a bit more than "hey, I made it to the end" and right now that's about all he's got from my point of view. I like the guy but I want to see more from him before I will give him my vote. |
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| Romeo | Jul 31 2013, 09:11 PM Post #37 |
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I could see myself voting for Atreyu against anyone honestly. In our exchanges, he came across very eloquent and aware. I doubt he doesn't know what kind of game Trip is playing at this point, and like Max said, if anyone is going to counter Trip, I'd suspect it be Atreyu. |
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| Apollo | Jul 31 2013, 09:38 PM Post #38 |
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Id say he has the best shot of countering Trip at this point I don't see it happening without Atreyu. |
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| Romeo | Jul 31 2013, 09:40 PM Post #39 |
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The Final 6 Romeo Rundown Power Rankings (drum roll please).... A-LISTERS ![]() We've discussed the man at length. He's definitely the most formidable and aggressive strategist in the game. What's his path to the end? Does he think he can drag Wes and Rose there? That would be my guess on what he wants to do - possibly playing up some sense of loyalty to Dan to keep his numbers. He's vulnerable, for sure, but that doesn't knock him off his perch. The only way that is going to happen is if his torch is snuffed. ![]() Numbers are dwindling Atreyu. I know you have it in you to strategically flip this game on it's head and the time to do just that is now or the next round. Personally, I think your game has been impeccable to get to this point - no one has targeted you, no one is angry at you, your social game has been strong - but you need to act. You can only float by but for so long, otherwise you'll be stuck in the Swamp of Sadness and no way to climb out. His best bet is to somehow swing Laurie, Rose, and some combination of Dan and Wes, to get out Trip. He might think, if he doesn't feel in danger this round, he can pull that off at F5 more easily, but a lot of that depends on who goes on Friday. B-LISTERS ![]() I'm not entirely sure where Dan stands in the game right now to be honest. I know that socially he is good enough to navigate his way until the end, but from an outsider's perspective he seems completely reliant on Trip and Laurie at this point, and perhaps even Wes. He has to swing something his way though. I'd be disappointed if he kicks back and just hopes Trip is telling him the truth at this point. I consider him better than that. Again, I never got the sense he had much of a relationship with Rose or Atreyu, but that doesn't mean one couldn't develop, or hasn't. C-LISTERS ![]() I still think Laurie could win her way to the end - or win a timely immunity challenge that blows everything else up. I also think that she has enough sense and ability to try and flip the game around. There are angles seemingly there for her to play - and she has a strong relationship, from what I'm aware, with Dan. That's a solid foundation - but I also get the sense that she might be who Trip is going for this round. If she has any chance to pull together Atreyu and Rose with Dan and her, than she has to do that. D-LISTERS ![]() Wes's immunity streak is impressive. He could very well win them all if internet speed and photo posting continue to be a main factor in the challenges. But as I've stated, Wes could win every challenge and blindside Trip and I still would very, very likely not vote him. I'm sorry - a whole game has to be factored. And Wes was voted out 6-1 a long, long time ago. The twist IS part of the game, and he would deserve his seat at F2 if he got there, but I couldn't justify giving him a vote when the person he'd be sitting next to was never voted out - no matter how little they might have done. ![]() Oh Rose. Please if you come to the Jury and read this, do not take it as an insult. I think you've done really well with the circumstances you've been given - and there is always the chance you could pull a big move in the end and give a great FTC performance. But given what I do know, and what has taken place thus far, you seem to be in the game only by circumstance and utility to others. ![]() So who is it going to be Friday? I honestly either think someone (Laurie, Dan or Atreyu) makes a move against Trip and either he joins us - what a riot that would make the Jury! - or Laurie does. |
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| Maximus | Jul 31 2013, 09:47 PM Post #40 |
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Which is much closer to what I said than what Romeo just mis-quoted me as saying. ![]() What I meant is that for anyone to manage a Trip vote on Friday, Atreyu is going to be the key to making that happen. It's F6, which means four votes are required. Atreyu can get Rose to come along, so it would only take Dan and Laurie to convince him. Since I agree that Atreyu is wise to Trip's game, Atreyu could very well go with Dan and Laurie on this. The only thing that I could see keeping him from doing that is if he's decided that he has a better chance of winning this thing with Wes sitting next to him instead of Rose. But he's got to figure that Wes is damaged goods, and that getting to F2 dragging Wes behind him is a losing proposition. IF Trip goes home on Friday, it's because Dan and Laurie convinced Atreyu. |
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| Apollo | Jul 31 2013, 10:01 PM Post #41 |
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The thing you have to remember about Trip is he is convincing. We all bought into it at one time or another but ultimately we all fell victim. I know that Laurie and Dan have Trips game figured out and I believe Atreyu might as well...but I am afraid that Atreyu (being as cautious as he has proven to be) will do (much like us) and wait to long to make that move against Trip. I really hope I'm wrong. |
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| Maximus | Jul 31 2013, 10:11 PM Post #42 |
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Actually, so do I. I'd love to see either Dan or Laurie get to the end (for purely personal reasons). |
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| Apollo | Aug 1 2013, 06:24 AM Post #43 |
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Me too Max. Honestly I don't see both of them making it. I would imagine that one of them will be joining us here tomorrow night because they will want to continue breaking down the pairs. Laurie and Dan are perceived as a pair (which they are). I think if a move is going to be made against Trip it will be at F5. I hope I am wrong about that. |
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| Romeo | Aug 1 2013, 11:09 AM Post #44 |
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The key really is what are the other player's agendas. While I agree that Trip can be incredibly persuasive and manipulative, I also never really got a "warmth" from him. If these other players are on to him, and they should be, than it will not be as easy for him to maneuver. I don't doubt he still can though, but that's besides the point. Trip has screwed over or lied to every player left in the game in some form or fashion, correct? I'm guessing - completely - that he wants to take either Rose or Wes to the end, so perhaps one, or both, of them is working with him unequivocally at this point. But Dan, Atreyu and Laurie are all smart players. It has to be obvious to some degree that that is what Trip is trying to do - again, if that's what he is trying to do. Even if he isn't, the presence of a threat is reason enough to eliminate it. Laurie and Dan both have some kind of decent tie to Wes, and Atreyu and Laurie have previous relationships with Rose. There are variations and formations the game could have taken for a counter-alliance to form and take Trip out this round. What we all seem to think though, is that that won't happen until F5, if then. But a lot of that depends on who Trip is trying to target. Coming off the last two votes, Dan and Laurie have more incentive than Atreyu to make a move now as opposed to at F5. Atreyu might think he can pull in Rose and flip the script with whomever is left-over of Dan/Laurie. Who does Trip think his best move is to get rid of? If I'm Trip, at this point, I'm trying to find a target that can unanimously, or close to unanimously, be agreed upon. Any allies he has he has to feel like they tentative (again, we agree Trip is a paranoid player) so the last thing he would want is anyone feeling like he lied to them or left them out in the cold at F5 when numbers can still flip against him. But who fits the bill? Dan and Laurie are close. Atreyu is well-connected - or so I assume. That leaves Rose and Wes. Would the smart move for Trip be to go after, say, Wes if he isn't immune? Even if that's someone he wants to sit next to in the end, is his presence worth the further alienation of another player? I don't know. The more I really think of it, the more I think Trip has actually boxed himself into a tight spot. That doesn't mean he can't get out of it, because I think he is more than capable of that, but I wouldn't be shocked if he went home this round or the next. |
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| Romeo | Aug 1 2013, 11:17 AM Post #45 |
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Max/Apollo - what do you think each player's best move is tomorrow night to increase their own chance of winning, or at least making the end? |
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