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| Romeo | Aug 5 2013, 02:21 PM Post #91 |
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Ha, no worries. Just giving you shit back mate. Happy to have another pro-Atreyu juror in here by the way. Have been loving that guy's game. I'd vote for Trip to win, but I'm pulling for Atreyu. No chance both would be at FTC together. Guessing Rose has that spot locked up no matter what happens. |
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| Westley | Aug 5 2013, 02:41 PM Post #92 |
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it's interesting, I don't think a lot of people have realized that rose has been controlling the last few votes. she's been doing it very subtly but very well. and then atreyu just sits back and lets her. |
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| Apollo | Aug 5 2013, 04:27 PM Post #93 |
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Trip was one of my top allies Romeo. Trip and I came together before the tribes were selected. We grew very close on Bonsai. We formed a plan to make it through the swap and come out with numbers at the merge. We came back together at the merge and work together right up until he tried to flip it on me. You have to realize all the things he was telling you about me and Dan he was telling me about you and your group. He was the one that told me about the Buttercup vote even before Lucy did. He also told me what he was planning with the Lucy vote before that went down. I always knew he was not happy with how close me and Dan were and I knew at some point he would try to break that up (but honestly I always thought he would go after Dan over me). When Laurie...and then Max told me what Trip had done when he tried to target me at F8 I even knew why he did it. When I questioned him about it he blew it off as him trying to throw Max off and said he would have never actually went through with it (yeah sure). What pissed me off the most was the message I got from him the night I went home. If you remember he was not at that challenge so he had to pre-vote. His last message to me was how he and I had to get together after the challenge that night and discuss our plans for the endgame. He didn't even have the balls to be truthful to me in the end...fuck if nothing else he could have just not messaged me at all. I do not respect that kind of play at all. I don't begrudge him his actions but I do not have to reward his methods. I wont. His game with me comes with a cost and that cost is he will not be getting my vote. If that makes me bitter so be it. I know you think you were so close to him but if you truly were then why were you sent to the jury house first? Don't kid yourself into thinking that Trip was strong armed into voting for you because we all know Trip does what is in Trips best interest. |
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| Apollo | Aug 5 2013, 04:29 PM Post #94 |
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Rose plays the victim very well...I never bought it, lol. That girl has lied to me so many times its almost insulting. |
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| Westley | Aug 5 2013, 04:40 PM Post #95 |
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yeah trip plays dirty as hell. he had me in his pocket the whole time. he was giving me info about everyone so that i could counteract whatever they were doing and let each person think they were playing me but the ironic thing was that trip was the one playing me the whole time. he knew exactly what i needed to hear to keep me on his side. at f6 we had a lot of conversations and he opened up about how he likes to mix things up just for the hell of it. he gets super dark sometimes lmao. he knows that the jury is going to tear him up and he's looking forward to it but again, the way he plays is executed so well it will be hard not to write his name down in the end |
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| Apollo | Aug 5 2013, 04:45 PM Post #96 |
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I am a big fan of Atreyu and could definitely see myself voting for him to win. I only wish I had seen him make a decision that wasn't wrapped in the protection of the numbers. My ranking as far as voting to win would be: 1)Laurie-Laure has played a hard game and faced a lot of obstacles along the way. She has proven her chops in this game and would be a very deserving winner. 2)Atreyu-I always liked Atreyu and we always got along. We were unfortunately always on the wrong side of things so we could never come together and make anything work. I do respect his game and only get caught up in the fact that followed the numbers...not a bad thing because it has served him well and is in fact a tough game to play especially as well as he has managed it. 3)Rose-Rose and I have had a troubled past (that girl has lied to me and Dan more times than she spoke the truth) but I did have moments in there were I felt I got a glimpse at something resembling a fighting spirit. If she makes it to the end (which I feel she will) she got there in spit of some big odds. 4)Trip...well I think we all know where I stand on this one. Played a great game but a costly game. |
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| Romeo | Aug 5 2013, 04:49 PM Post #97 |
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I don't think I could make it any clearer - I KNOW and have KNOWN that I was both out of the power structure at Bonsai and that Trip didn't see me as valuable as I thought he did. Closeness is besides the point. I don't view this game like it's summer camp. You want to work with people you like, but more importantly you want to work with people who give you more value, or more of an advantage in trying to win the thing. My point is that Trip wasn't your closest ally, he wasn't Dan's and he wasn't Max's. No matter what I was to him, he and Lucy were who I had thrown my game in with. It's not the end of the world, nor does it hurt my ego, to admit he just simply outplayed me this game. I underestimated how cutthroat he was until it was too late and I got sent to the jury because of it. That's fine, and mainly, mainly, my own fault. I own that. There were things about your games that I didn't like. I didn't like that you ignored me and made it obvious I wasn't in your plans. I didn't like that Dan tried to act, on the day of the vote, like he didn't know what was going on and just stopped messaging me when I called him out. I didn't like how Max tried to pander me for a jury vote on my way out after talking strategy with me at length all day. And I certainly didn't like how Trip insulted my own intelligence with his messaging post-Lucy. I know there are things you didn't like about my game. But you know what? I would have voted for any of you at the end if you had explained your own strategy and thought process. Again, you own your vote. If you don't want to vote someone because they like the color purple, that's your priority and as a juror your vote is 100% valid. But I please ask you to respect the man's game. It has nothing to do with liking him. If he gets to the end by the methods he employed - he will probably earn my vote despite all the ill will I harbor him. |
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| Apollo | Aug 5 2013, 04:50 PM Post #98 |
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I understand what you are saying Wes. Trip is a master manipulator and to his credit it has worked well for him. I can appreciate his game (truly I can) I just don't think I personally can reward it. That's just me though. |
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| Romeo | Aug 5 2013, 04:55 PM Post #99 |
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Again, I feel like the three of you - exclusive of Wes - talk to me like I wasn't with Trip, like New Jedi didn't happen. I get that you were buddy-buddy at Bonsai, but while you were winning challenges, I went to 4 straight tribals with the guy. Add in the 2 before the Lucy vote and that's 6, where we were really open and working together. You discredit the evolution of my own relationship. Just because he voted me out doesn't change what happened before. The man has made it through 10 tribal councils in a row without immunity. It's worth applauding especially when you consider how few tribals people in here did. |
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| Apollo | Aug 5 2013, 04:56 PM Post #100 |
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Romeo I can appreciate Trips game but I cannot and do not respect it. ...and as far as closest ally I really don't think Trip ever had one. We were all a stepping stone to advance him and I think that is the way he played and will continue to play the whole game. |
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| Romeo | Aug 5 2013, 05:04 PM Post #101 |
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Exactly. I know that. And that's fine. You're not required to have one inseparable ally. Hell, often times that can counter-productive. I respect your opinion, and like I've said - your vote is your vote and however you use it, no matter the reason, it's valid. I firmly believe that. If Trip loses your vote or player in a way that made it impossible for you to award him - that's on Trip. I'm just debating my own point of view and trying to eliminate this pissing contest of who Trip screwed over worse because Trip's game didn't align with our own. |
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| Apollo | Aug 5 2013, 05:08 PM Post #102 |
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Romeo I know that you and Trip got close on New Jedi. It was obvious from the votes that you two had found common ground and were working together and hell Trip confirmed that to me at the merge. I was fine with that. I had little to base my bias on you in the first place. So when Trip said you were solid I was good with that. That is were the Me/You/Trip/Dan sticking together thing came about with our messages right after the merge...I was really on board with that. I got standoffish with you again only after Trip started telling me that you and Wes were trying to get me voted out. Stupidly I listened to Trip on that one. So by no means am I trying to belittle your relationship with Trip but I just want you to realize I thought I had the same thing with him. We had F3 for most of the game and even discussed F2 (even though I would have never picked Trip over Dan, LOL). Honestly I think you and I had about the same relationship with Trip...and it was good for as long as Trip deemed it good. He was a master at his game because everyone believed him and only caught on when it was too late. I just think he played a little dirtier than was necessary. In my eyes he pulled a Hantz...played a fantastic game but did it so well that I don't think I could vote for him in the end. Maybe he can change my mind if he makes it to FTC...doubtful but anything is possible. |
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| Apollo | Aug 5 2013, 05:12 PM Post #103 |
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In the end Trips game is going to affect each of us differently and we will react to it differently. Its good to debate it...because all the facts should be presented based on what we know (or think we know) because that gives us all a better foundation to base our vote on. |
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| Romeo | Aug 5 2013, 05:14 PM Post #104 |
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Trip never bullied, belittled or cussed out people, so while I understand what you're trying to say, I disagree. I think Brian Heidik is a better analogy. He's just a cold-blooded, sociopathic liar. I'm guessing he thinks Rose is his Clay. |
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| Apollo | Aug 5 2013, 05:24 PM Post #105 |
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Not so sure about the bullied and belittled part...think he just did that behind peoples backs. Felt a bit bullied myself when he flipped the target to me just because I didn't think the time was right to go after Max. When that blew up he defiantly lost it on me. He told me he knew I had a Final 4 with Max/Dan/Laurie and the only way I could prove otherwise was to vote for Max. There was not discussion there it was his way or the highway...too bad I didn't pick the highway on that one, lol. |
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