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So that night before the F8 vote when you approached me about voting for Max...was the whole point of that to see if I would go along with it so you could use that as further ammunition try and convince Max I was gunning for him?
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Daniel,Aug 7 2013
12:01:32 AM
My goal at Final 6 was to show a clear division between Trip/Wes and Atreyu/Rose. That's why I was playing both sides. I did this for two reasons:

1) I hoped that 2 of you would look beyond the F6 vote and use Laurie and myself to take control of the game THAT round. Instead of waiting.

2) If you didn't do that, I was guessing you would vote out Laurie at F6 instead of me (still not sure why you voted me over her - she's way more dangerous) and therefore put myself in a critical swing position at Final 5.

I feel like I almost accomplished my goal. I feel like I was close - maybe I wasn't.

Apparently, Laurie had already made a deal with Atreyu and Rose at that point, which none of us knew. That's why she wasn't in trouble. I know that NOW. If anything, you could have gotten me to vote out Rose. I wanted her out more than anyone. I didn't mind Laurie. I don't think she's good at the game. I know there is a lot of love for her here, but that's more loyalty than anything. I also didn't realize how bitter the jury was going to be. With the caliber of play in this game, I was banking on a jury that would reward big moves. I thought I could beat Laurie. The problem is you didn't realize Atreyu and I had a final two agreement. And Wes and I did as well. Atreyu's was obviously fake.
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Apollo,Aug 7 2013
12:05:24 AM
So that night before the F8 vote when you approached me about voting for Max...was the whole point of that to see if I would go along with it so you could use that as further ammunition try and convince Max I was gunning for him?

I didn't trust you so much after the Buttercup vote... because you told Buttercup what I had done... or at least that's how it was presented to me. Laurie and Max offered me final three. I took it. I was going to honor it. I wanted to get you to say you'd vote out Max so I could use it to get Max to vote you out. I never was actually targeting Max. I actually wanted to take him to final two at that point. I needed to split you, Max, Daniel, and Laurie up thought... to make sure you really didn't have a final four plan. I had to act THAT round to make sure I wouldn't be outnumbered at seven. The original plan was to take you out, but you got Max to freak out, so I turned it on him.
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Trip,Aug 7 2013
12:05:40 AM
Apparently, Laurie had already made a deal with Atreyu and Rose at that point, which none of us knew. That's why she wasn't in trouble. I know that NOW. If anything, you could have gotten me to vote out Rose. I wanted her out more than anyone. I didn't mind Laurie. I don't think she's good at the game. I know there is a lot of love for her here, but that's more loyalty than anything. I also didn't realize how bitter the jury was going to be. With the caliber of play in this game, I was banking on a jury that would reward big moves. I thought I could beat Laurie. The problem is you didn't realize Atreyu and I had a final two agreement. And Wes and I did as well. Atreyu's was obviously fake.

That deal got put into ink about the time it was decided I was gone for sure. Laurie told me all about it. She was loyal to me above all else.

I didn't think Wes would go along with a Rose vote. I thought those two were closer then they appeared and he would run right to her with any information - I could be wrong about that.
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Westley,Aug 7 2013
12:01:49 AM
pretty sure everyone here on the jury, in the game, and add Lucy to that list.. would use the exact same phrase :lol:

you actually had me in your pocket pretty nicely. I don't think you realize just how good you were at telling me the kinds of things I liked to hear.

man what the hell were we thinking trying to stick with an alliance?

I did know how good I was at telling you what you wanted to hear. :)

Half of the stuff I said to you about Lucy was highly exaggerated. I actually doctored several of those forwards from her. I really needed you on my side instead of hers, and after that round, I realized you'd stick with me. And I really wanted you to. I wanted you in final two with me for a good while there. You were the ONLY player I actually admitted my flip flop strategy to in the game. LOL.
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Daniel,Aug 7 2013
12:10:53 AM
That deal got put into ink about the time it was decided I was gone for sure. Laurie told me all about it. She was loyal to me above all else.

I didn't think Wes would go along with a Rose vote. I thought those two were closer then they appeared and he would run right to her with any information - I could be wrong about that.

Rose promised Wes final two. That's actually the main reason I wanted to vote her out.
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Trip,Aug 7 2013
12:10:56 AM
I did know how good I was at telling you what you wanted to hear.  :)

Half of the stuff I said to you about Lucy was highly exaggerated.  I actually doctored several of those forwards from her.  I really needed you on my side instead of hers, and after that round, I realized you'd stick with me.  And I really wanted you to.  I wanted you in final two with me for a good while there.  You were the ONLY player I actually admitted my flip flop strategy to in the game.  LOL.

..... I fucking hate you lmao. as if I didn't feel bad enough about the Lucy vote already
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LOL... Lucy is the one that is going to hate me. She's going to be shocked at the lengths I took to get her out that round.
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Daniel,Aug 7 2013
12:10:53 AM
That deal got put into ink about the time it was decided I was gone for sure. Laurie told me all about it. She was loyal to me above all else.

I didn't think Wes would go along with a Rose vote. I thought those two were closer then they appeared and he would run right to her with any information - I could be wrong about that.

I would have pushed for an atreyu vote because that way next round me and trip course used rose t vote or either you or trip. I wanted her and trip final 3 with me so that I could make that decision with immunity
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That's what is so frustrating Trip. When we left Bonsai into the swap our plan was to work our way into the Lucy group. My whole time on New Krypton that was my goal...infiltrate the Lucy group (in this case Atreyu and Buttercup...and Rose by extension). Atreyu was easy to get along with and I worked well with him. Buttercup took a lot of hard work but by the merge I had secured a bit of her trust as well. Watching New Jedi all indications were that you were still working that plan.

Even at the merge things looked good but then you and Lucy decide to discard all the hard work I had put into Buttercup. So yeah I was a bit pissed about that. So I told Buttercup and Atreyu about the plan...but Buttercup still didn't believe me that Lucy would flip on her. She wanted proof...I wouldn't give it to her and she turned on me. So what you saw as me protecting Buttercup was actually me reacting to yours and Lucy's sudden shift. I saw that as a move against me and weakening any ties I had. So I lost a lot of trust for you that round as well. That was around the time that I made the F4 deal with Dan/Laurie/Max.

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Westley,Aug 7 2013
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Daniel,Aug 7 2013
12:10:53 AM
That deal got put into ink about the time it was decided I was gone for sure. Laurie told me all about it. She was loyal to me above all else.

I didn't think Wes would go along with a Rose vote. I thought those two were closer then they appeared and he would run right to her with any information - I could be wrong about that.

I would have pushed for an atreyu vote because that way next round me and trip course used rose t vote or either you or trip. I wanted her and trip final 3 with me so that I could make that decision with immunity

I know you did. That's why I wanted Rose gone. I made a move against Rose at final five... with Laurie and Atreyu. I let them think the move was to protect them, but they settled on voting you out, and you weren't being super cooperative to intentions, so I said the hell with it, let's vote out Wes. The funny thing is, they were going to vote you out anyway, and I didn't know it.

If only we could have known, we should have just voted with Daniel for ANYONE. Sounds like Laurie would have voted with us at that point.
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Trip,Aug 7 2013
12:10:56 AM
I did know how good I was at telling you what you wanted to hear.  :)

Half of the stuff I said to you about Lucy was highly exaggerated.  I actually doctored several of those forwards from her.  I really needed you on my side instead of hers, and after that round, I realized you'd stick with me.  And I really wanted you to.  I wanted you in final two with me for a good while there.  You were the ONLY player I actually admitted my flip flop strategy to in the game.  LOL.

That makes sense, since that was Wes' strategy as well. It's one of the reasons I knew he was eventually going to turn on me.

So, about that Saturday night. My freak-out wasn't when I turned on you. My freak-out was when I turned on Apollo WITH you. You played on that fear of mine brilliantly, btw. If I had waited until I had a chance to talk to Laurie rather than immediately going to Wes with you, you'd have been gone that Sunday. I fully accept my fault in that, and fully applaud your manipulation of me. Very well done, man!
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Apollo,Aug 7 2013
12:22:57 AM
That's what is so frustrating Trip. When we left Bonsai into the swap our plan was to work our way into the Lucy group. My whole time on New Krypton that was my goal...infiltrate the Lucy group (in this case Atreyu and Buttercup...and Rose by extension). Atreyu was easy to get along with and I worked well with him. Buttercup took a lot of hard work but by the merge I had secured a bit of her trust as well. Watching New Jedi all indications were that you were still working that plan.

Even at the merge things looked good but then you and Lucy decide to discard all the hard work I had put into Buttercup. So yeah I was a bit pissed about that. So I told Buttercup and Atreyu about the plan...but Buttercup still didn't believe me that Lucy would flip on her. She wanted proof...I wouldn't give it to her and she turned on me. So what you saw as me protecting Buttercup was actually me reacting to yours and Lucy's sudden shift. I saw that as a move against me and weakening any ties I had. So I lost a lot of trust for you that round as well. That was around the time that I made the F4 deal with Dan/Laurie/Max.

What you didn't realize is Lucy had a final three agreement with Buttercup and Rose that started on day two. Buttercup was playing you. I tried to tell you that and you just wouldn't listen. Dan tried to tell you that, and you just wouldn't listen. I still have no clue why Lucy agreed to vote Buttercup out. I thought we'd be making that move without her.

Rose straight up told me Buttercup was playing you, but no matter how hard I tried to explain it to you, you wanted to protect her. Things changed at the merge. People had plans from before tribes were even formed and we had to adapt, but you were still stuck in a plan that was dead out the gate. Buttercup and Rose actually offered me final four with Lucy at one point. You weren't going to be able to infiltrate the "Lucy" group... unless you wanted to get voted out at 6. Lucy was tighter to Romeo than to you. Hell, she was even tighter with Atreyu.

If you had stuck with me and Dan on that vote and not ratted me out, I would have probably stuck with you and Dan. But you didn't. So I had to take the first offer I was given.
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Maximus,Aug 7 2013
12:24:59 AM
That makes sense, since that was Wes' strategy as well. It's one of the reasons I knew he was eventually going to turn on me.

So, about that Saturday night. My freak-out wasn't when I turned on you. My freak-out was when I turned on Apollo WITH you. You played on that fear of mine brilliantly, btw. If I had waited until I had a chance to talk to Laurie rather than immediately going to Wes with you, you'd have been gone that Sunday. I fully accept my fault in that, and fully applaud your manipulation of me. Very well done, man!

Thanks. But I didn't want to vote you out. I wanted to go with you to final two. I wanted to vote out Apollo so I would know you were really with me and not with them.
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Maximus,Aug 7 2013
12:24:59 AM
So, about that Saturday night. My freak-out wasn't when I turned on you. My freak-out was when I turned on Apollo WITH you. You played on that fear of mine brilliantly, btw. If I had waited until I had a chance to talk to Laurie rather than immediately going to Wes with you, you'd have been gone that Sunday. I fully accept my fault in that, and fully applaud your manipulation of me. Very well done, man!

At that point I really did want the 5 to stay together. Namely because that offered me the most options at that point. I knew me and Dan were solid. I knew that Dan and Laurie were solid (and Laurie had kind of excepted the fact that Dan and I were a package deal). At the point (STUPIDLY) I still felt confident in Trip and I was getting closer to you Max day by day.

That's why when Trip wanted me to say I would go after you at F8 I tried to steer him away from that. I think I did it by telling him I thought F7 or F6 would be a better time to go after you...but in fact I intended to go to the F5 and then decide which way was the best way to go.
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