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| Westley | Aug 7 2013, 01:43 AM Post #76 |
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oh, apollo that reminds me. on new jedi i told romeo that once we felt safe with 4 we should throw the challenges to keep you and dan safe. lmao. didn't matter anyway, we got our asses kicked in the challenges. and damn it trip you didn't even TRY to work with me lol |
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| Apollo | Aug 7 2013, 01:44 AM Post #77 |
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Well boys I am going to leave you to it...need to grab some ZZZZ's. Trip honestly...one hellva game bud. Without a doubt. Look forward to talking more in the days to come (you will find we love to talk around here, lol). It really funny...I always liked my time on Bonsai the best and here we all are again. Could ask for a better group to finish out this experience with. Gnite.
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| Maximus | Aug 7 2013, 01:52 AM Post #78 |
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Trip, you need to re-read the actual words I used, not interpret them to represent your own preconceptions. I didn't say you systematically broke up your alliances. I said you systematically broke up EVERY alliance. You got in, got dirt, moved to the next and used them to break the previous one. Wash, rinse, repeat. And, as I said, you did so brilliantly, and I have a lot of respect for you skill in doing so. Is it any wonder nobody was willing to rely on your loyalty? Is it any wonder nobody trusted you to do or be anything other than what you showed them? I get that you were a little late to the party. That's definitely a disadvantage, and you adapted to it admirably. But you were never satisfied with one alliance, or with any lasting bond. For you, every bond was a tool. And yes, that's an effective way to play this game. It's just not my way. And my POINT is that you undervalue any way that isn't your way - in this case, Laurie's strategy. She avoided lying, backstabbing, oathbreaking and betrayal, and instead of viewing it as the advantage that it is, you look to discredit it as weakness, or emotionality, and project on those around her your own jaded viewpoint. Sure, Atreyu and Rose are using her to get to F2 together. But did you consider that sitting next to you at F2 is not a really strong position for her? You played a great game, Trip. You would have gotten at least some votes had you made it to the end. Maybe, rather than just plain old spite, she made a conscious, strategic choice to NOT have you at F3, so she would not have to compete with you in FTC. |
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| Maximus | Aug 7 2013, 01:57 AM Post #79 |
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Except that you were playing that same game in Bonsai, Trip. Proactively. Again, very well done, but don't claim it was all about being an outsider. If you'd bothered to connect with people, you wouldn't have BEEN an outsider. Nos planto nostrum universitas. |
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| Maximus | Aug 7 2013, 02:01 AM Post #80 |
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Nevermind me. It gets late, I start getting argumentative. Seriously, Trip, it's good to have you here and to get your perspective. I'm trying to keep an open mind, and having other opinions flying around helps me do that. Also, I think you're a pretty cool guy, and damned smart.
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| Trip | Aug 7 2013, 02:02 AM Post #81 |
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That's what I was trying to ask her. I was trying to ask her why she was making the move she was making... and all she would say is I'm a liar. She wouldn't give me any depth. I never got any depth from her. She sent me ONE message all game that actually talked strategy. Before that, just form messages. After that, she wanted to talk about things we aren't even allowed to talk about. But she never showed me her game... at all. So all I know is what I've seen. You saw a lot more of Laurie. She was your main ally. But I don't think you realize how poorly she communicated with other players. It looks like Wes fully understands. And Apollo knows what I'm talking about. I never asked anyone to rely on my loyalty. In fact, that was my biggest point at tribal council tonight. If people want to figure out how to read me, all they have to do is read my motives. I play based on mutual benefit... not based on trust. I told that to several players in this game... one of them being Wes... the other being Atreyu. And those were both players that successfully were able to play with me without me ever really turning on them. I don't undervalue any way that isn't may way. Hell, NOBODY played my way this game. I actually have a lot of respect for your game. I am LOVING Atreyu's game, and he hasn't played a single bit like me. Most of the people I voted out, I did so because I saw how good they were and how dangerous they were to my position. There are a lot of people on this jury right now that I would vote for if they made it to the end. The ONLY player who's game I don't like is Laurie's... because she never showed me ANY game. If she was honest and loyal and still made moves and still adapted and all that, it would be different. And again, maybe she did... but I never witnessed it, so how can I judge that? I also don't think she voted me out because of spite. I'm actually pretty sure it had nothing to do with spite. She just didn't trust me and wanted to play it safe... but trust really had nothing to do with the decision at that point. It's not like I had room to really make a move against her anymore. She could have used me to break up a pair and guarantee herself final two. That was her shot to make a least one big move in my eyes. You asked me for my opinion of them. I just told you what I think. I even said we will disagree about her. I'm not trying to push my opinion on others. It's my opinion, and it's not going to change unless she wows me at the final tribal council. |
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| Westley | Aug 7 2013, 02:06 AM Post #82 |
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don't apologize, i'm enjoying this
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| Trip | Aug 7 2013, 02:09 AM Post #83 |
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I tried to connect with people. Many of the people I tried to connect with already had stronger connections. For instance. I tried to connect with you immediately at the merge. We talked about what happened on Bonsai. You admitted I had only been the fourth. You respected my honesty. You even said I had been more honest with you than the others. Then, the next day, I try talking strategy to you and I find out that you are right back in with Daniel, Apollo, and Laurie... and you are shocked when I tell you Apollo is with Buttercup. I could already tell that my attempts were in vain. The best I had there was sitting fifth. You didn't really consider working with me deeper into the game until I saved you by voting out Buttercup and then Lucy. But even then, you still had that final four deal in place. From my perspective, I was always an outsider in your group. And I was always going to be an outsider in Lucy's group, because of the girls alliance and such. And yes, I realize many of these bonds started before I even logged into the game. So that's my fault, but I still had to react to it. People kept reverting back to their oldest alliances. |
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| Trip | Aug 7 2013, 02:11 AM Post #84 |
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LOL... thanks. I hope you realize I'm not being argumentative. I tend to state things very matter of factly. It's just how I am. I realize we are going to have differing opinions. I even have a confessional entry about how much I respected your final words. We play differently. We see the game differently. It's going to happen. |
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| Maximus | Aug 7 2013, 02:17 AM Post #85 |
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What you're missing, Trip, is that it was still about trust. Her ability to trust you to live up to your very public F2 offer at TC tonight was all but non-existent, because from what she was able to see of your game there was NO WAY you would want to sit next to her at F2 if you could be there with Atreyu or (even better) Rose. She knows she's got three solid allies in the Jury, and it would take only one more over here to turn that into a win for her at FTC. And she figured you knew that, too. You say you'd have abided by that offer. I say BS. You may have believed it at the time, but when push came to shove, you'd have done what you did all game - made the move that improved your chances of winning this thing. Sitting next to Atreyu is a risk. Sitting next to Laurie is suicide. And whether I'm right about that or not is irrelevant - it's exactly what Laurie would have seen as the situation. At least with Atreyu and Rose, there's at least a little chance that they might have taken her. And that's not even considering the possibility that she has a F2 with one of them. |
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| Maximus | Aug 7 2013, 02:26 AM Post #86 |
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Well, all of that is true. Regarding that F3 agreement I had with you and Laurie - I had every bit as much intention of honoring that as I did my F3 with Dan and Laurie and my F4 with Dan, Laurie and Apollo. And I knew it was going to get messy right around F5 if everyone kept true up to that point. But I also knew that either you or Apollo was going to pull something before then, which would invalidate one deal or the other. If it was Apollo, Dan would go with him (though I'm convinced he'd have tried to talk Apollo out of it). So, numerically, I could keep every promise that wasn't broken by the other side. My F2 with Wes was a little tougher, because apparently he never had any intention of breaking it, though I thought he would, also on the approach to F5. It was right about then that I expected all of those deals to either firm up or fall apart from actions not my own. That's why when you came to me that Saturday night at F8 I jumped without looking. Cuz I figured, "It's early, but here it is." But up til then - yeah, I would have honored whichever deal was honored by the other members. So when I tell you you have a jaded outlook, I'm talking from my own perspective. I built alliances expecting some of them to be betrayed, so that I could stay true to the ones that didn't. And it almost worked. |
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| Maximus | Aug 7 2013, 02:26 AM Post #87 |
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Dude, no animosity at all. And we're BOTH being argumentative.
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| Trip | Aug 7 2013, 02:28 AM Post #88 |
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Actually, I was starting to think I had a better chance against Laurie... I didn't realize the jury was so anti-Trip. I've played in games before where the control players won by a landslide... so I knew there would be some bitterness. I had no idea there would be this much. I know it was all about trust with her. That's also my point. It was ALL about trust. She didn't analyze the full situation... just the trust aspect. I've been consistently one of the worst players in challenges all game. Both Rose and Atreyu are better than me. Yes, she might have thought I wouldn't take her. But she also basically agreed they weren't planning on taking her either and that she had to rely on immunity. Rose and Atreyu are a pair. If she could get one of them out tonight, the pair would have been split. I still most likely wouldn't have won immunity (a point even Atreyu made), and Atreyu no longer would have been able to take Rose. Unless she assumed Atreyu would have taken me, which makes no sense to me, seeing as he wanted to vote me out, that improves her chances. It was never about me taking her to the end. I was probably destined for final three if Rose left tonight. It was about ANYONE taking her to the end. Rose realized I was making headway with her, which is why she chimed in with her offer to get the ax at final three... which was a good move on her part. I'm pretty sure Atreyu would still take Rose to the end if she doesn't win immunity. They probably both have a final two with her. They've both apparently had final twos with a lot of people. Very crafty, those two. But that is all just about tonight. It's the entire game I'm talking about. I've never seen anything from Laurie. |
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| Trip | Aug 7 2013, 02:32 AM Post #89 |
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I kind of see it as like being in a relationship. You can tell someone you are with them and only them. If you set up dates with other people, just in case, but don't actually cheat yet... that wouldn't really be tolerated. You can't have backup relationships in real life... and I don't really tolerate backup relationships in the game. I was working all game to try to find those one or two people that would stick with me. I thought I finally found one in Atreyu. :lol: |
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| Trip | Aug 7 2013, 02:35 AM Post #90 |
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That said, I set up back-up relationships myself. :lol: It's just a matter of everyone trying to keep them concealed. Not much was kept concealed from me. I was constantly learning of some other way someone else was positioning themselves above me. LOL. |
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