| Why I was so crazy in this game... | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 7 2013, 12:15 AM (411 Views) | |
| Romeo | Aug 10 2013, 12:38 PM Post #61 |
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I had a F2 with Juliet as well. I think my position would have been much greater had she made the merge with me. I still think the "lost" challenge of F13 is a monumental What If in this game. Daniel is voted out. Juliet makes merge. What if? |
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| BROBST | Aug 10 2013, 12:40 PM Post #62 |
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My best guess (and a tough one at that) is that the merge double boot could stay the same. But at Final 10 and from then on -- NO. FREAKING. IDEA. ![]() |
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| Maximus | Aug 10 2013, 12:50 PM Post #63 |
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Without Dan, I would definitely have gotten closer to Apollo and Trip. I don't think there was anything that would have kept Laurie and I apart at that point, except for the possibility of her working harder to find common cause with the ladies, with Dan out. If she had, I'd have been with her. Coming back into the game with very limited knowledge of what had happened previous to that, Laurie would have been my only anchor and I'd have followed her whichever way she swung. But definitely with Apollo and Trip if she had not made piece with BC and company. Having done that, though, I'd have needed an escape plan, knowing how far down the rungs I'd have been in that scenario. I think any way you look at it, Trip and Apollo would have been the people I'd ultimate stick with, so long as Laurie followed. |
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| Daniel | Aug 10 2013, 12:52 PM Post #64 |
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Well I would have been voted back into the game instead of Wes and be sitting in the Final 2 right now. That's what.
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| Daniel | Aug 10 2013, 12:54 PM Post #65 |
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Yes, of course. I also forgot to mention the F4 with Adrain, Max, and Laurie, but that one fell apart when Adrian and Max were the first two to go - so I never really thought much of it after that. And Apollo was always my guy - I wouldn't have made a serious move without him. |
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| Trip | Aug 10 2013, 01:02 PM Post #66 |
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LOL... you helped make Max one of the first to go. |
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| Romeo | Aug 10 2013, 01:05 PM Post #67 |
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Juliet gave me more leverage and incentive to work with the girls - she would have been a bridge that connected me to Laurie faster, and possibly to you Max by association. If Dan didn't come back, Apollo would have been more reliant on Trip. She also had Rose under her wing. Juliet was a serious player though, so whether she was honest with me or using me to survive New Jedi - cannot find out until the game ends. Who knows. |
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| Maximus | Aug 10 2013, 01:08 PM Post #68 |
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You're right, Romeo, there would have been a much better chance of the two of us working together under those conditions. |
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| Maximus | Aug 10 2013, 01:11 PM Post #69 |
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Actually, Dan, that's a really good point. I think I still would have been voted back in, and my vote for returning would have been you instead of Wes, that's for sure. Without Wes in the game like that.... yes, much different turnout. It would still have been we four, I think, but Wes always represented a wild-card factor that messed with a lot of my own planning. Thinking of it now, I think that F2 agreement for Outcasts would still have been a thing, and there's a really good chance I'd have honored it. |
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| Romeo | Aug 10 2013, 02:45 PM Post #70 |
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Juliet being at the merge probably - probably - improves my position. It certainly would have given me more options. Juliet and I were - to my knowledge - really close on New Jedi. In my eyes, Trip was putting in the work with Lucy, and I was with Juliet. As stated, the only reason Johnny went home was because I alerted Juliet last minute to vote that way. I would have preferred to have kept her over Lucy, but I didn't think there was any hope of that considering her priors and my perception of how close Lucy and Trip were. I also thought keeping Lucy would prove to her my loyalty as well as I knew she was nervous after the Johnny boot. Anyhow, I would have hoped to leverage my relationship with Juliet to get closer with her allies - mainly Rose and Laurie. I did use her name with Rose, and it paid off because Rose immediately started wanting to work with me. Trip can attest - Juliet was definitely crafty, so who knows what her intentions would have been for me. My gut tells me I would have been in a better position than I was with her in the game at the merge though. Trip, what were your interactions with Lois like? I always assumed she was being promised things, and alliances, by either you, Lucy or Johnny. She felt really safe up, even after the Johnny vote. Odd duck that one. |
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| Laurie | Aug 10 2013, 02:49 PM Post #71 |
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Yeah Romeo - Juliet at the merge would have helped. I would have still been tight with Max - no question. But I would have made sure Juliet knew all about what Rose and Marion did. I think you are right - you and Juliet and I would have had an interesting story. But there is nothing to say that Daniel would have gotten the boot at F13 - I was in the same spot he was. Apollo would have voted for me. Buttercup probably would have, Atreyu, too.... I was being told that I had to vote Daniel to save myself - and I said I wouldn't do it. Told Buttercup right to her face that I wouldn't do it. That is a big what if... |
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| Romeo | Aug 10 2013, 02:53 PM Post #72 |
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Laure, I'm curious. The main reason I was annoyed - well, acting annoyed - with your reaction to the F3 challenge, was that I assumed you probably were one of the one's talking about how unfair the F13 challenge was that we originally won. Were you? And if so - tell me the difference? Juliet would have been a bridge I could have utilized. She was also fairly aggressive, so I could have hidden behind her - which I wanted to do with Trip until he forced my hand with the Lucy blindside. |
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| Laurie | Aug 10 2013, 03:25 PM Post #73 |
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The simple answer first - I think I made one statement that I didn't think it was right that we lost and then I dropped it. I said that I would abide by any decision by BROBST. Because it sucked for everyone. He works his ass off on this game and he doesn't like being in that position either. he took a lot of heat that night. And I apologized to him in confessional while it was going on. We all put our heart in to this game. It's what makes it so incredible. But Brett puts his heart and soul in it. Now the longer, whiny answer... I should go back and read the thread, truly. I did agree that when we were given the rules and Rose specifically asked the question about the word 'THE' - we doubled checked our answers 3 times. I didn't think we should have lost based on that - but I knew it sucked for you guys too. No question. Either side was going to get the shaft that night. I think I even said something to that effect. And we never thought to look at mistaken letters. We just verified that the ones we had were correct. And kept working. But I made my comment - said I thought it was wrong that we lost - and then said I would abide by BROBST decision. No matter what way he decided. Rose on the other hand went off on how Jedi didn't even have all 11 letters correct and were guessing the whole time. That doesn't matter - which one of us DIDN'T guess at some challenge (Soundtrack challenge, anyone? That's all we did was guess) And Rose was guessing at the F3 challenge. Again, just like the F3 - at that point it sucks that somebody is going to have to pay the price for that. By my thinking - if I won the F3 challenge, I was going to ensure that it didn't have an effect like it did in F13. In our own ways - both Rose AND I should have secured victory in the challenge on that first question about the longest film. It should have gone one way or the other right then. And hearing that I had the right answer but wouldn't get credit for it was nuts. And I should have secured it again on the second question about Judy Garland's salary - especially debunking an urban legend all over the internet. To my way of thinking. Neither Rose nor Atreyu were posting the same answer on those two questions. They didn't know - they didn't verify. They guessed or answered whatever way they felt was best and fast - not right. So my solution was to take Rose to the end because of the situation. Back to F13... If he hadn't made the ruling about the word 'THE' - then logically, we would have started to look at that and make adjustments. And the victory would absolutely have been yours - no question - you would have beat us, no question. And it was clear when we couldn't come up with a solution that we had a wrong letter. We just spent our timing double (and triple) checking based on the rules. We had divided up - everybody had two answers to find. And Brett was right... how big of an idiot am I to have typed in 'From the Tips' as the answer and not figured it out anyway. It was gettable. But flawed when the rules were explained and clarified. And you combine that with the F3 challenge. That kind of stuff does something to your mind in the game. I'm sure that what Jedi went through - being high on victory and then having to play again, took a little something out of your spirit. And similarly, in F3 - me finding the right answers and not seeing them in his list of options, made me second guess what I was doing it. It slowed me down because I wanted to make sure it was right. Either way, challenges like that have an effect on your mindset. It's unfortunate that it happens - but look - even the Jeopardy kid misses a question because he puts an extra T in it.... Emanciptation. Let's talk about him... he got screwed. It goes back to Brett's age old discussion of action versus intent. Jedi's action produced the right answer in F13. Krypton's intent (to follow the rules) didn't. And Laurie's actions also produced the right answers.... twice in F3. Rose's intent (to just answer the fastest) didn't. It's an argument I'll never win. Totally get that. But for sure - we both paid the price for getting the answers right the first time. But I put in my confessional. What happens on either of the two questions in F3 if my answer was one of the options. Even if it wasn't the one Brett thought was right to begin with - once it's proven. Do I still lose the question? What if it's a fill in the blank - open ended. Do I still lose. The challenges are similar. We both lost based on the way the challenge was written and described. Jedi paid the price because a rules clarification dictated that if a movie started with 'the' you use the T. And Laurie paid the price because the structure of the question was multiple choice. We both got it right. And we both lost for getting it right. |
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| Laurie | Aug 10 2013, 03:36 PM Post #74 |
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And one last piece - it doesn't make one side right and the other side wrong - in my opinion. In fact it makes certain that there IS NOT right or wrong... But that whoever comes out on the bottom when it all shakes out - WILL SAY THEY WERE WRONGED. |
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| Romeo | Aug 10 2013, 03:40 PM Post #75 |
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Well explained. My main issue with losing that challenge - and again, I didn't cry about it because it is Brett's call and it's obvious how much work he puts in these - was that we both had the same disadvantage. We had the same information and arrived at the answer. Y'all didn't. It was unfair for both of us, but we figured it out. As for F3, from an outsider looking in - I tend to side with Rose. If a multiple choice answer is given then, by design, you should probably just answer the right answer from those choices. If the source was wrong and information flawed - so be it. I think Brett handled it about as fairly as possible though, and I can of course understand your point of view. That had to be frustrating and I can sympathize with that even if I disagree. Going back to F13, after the fact, I made mention that there was no use in complaining - life's not fair and neither is Survivor. |
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