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Topic Started: Aug 9 2013, 01:01 AM (183 Views)
Trip
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I won't be here Sunday. There's just no way. If I was still in the game, I think I could make arrangements, but nobody is going to excuse me from what I have to do just to be on the jury. I just won't be here.

I knew I wasn't going to vote for Laurie, so I was actually hoping she'd win immunity tonight, so I wouldn't be in this predicament. But she didn't win, and things went down the way I figured they would in that case. I would have just pre-voted for whoever went against her and wrote a speech instead of questions.

But now, it's Rose vs. Atreyu. I've been rooting for Atreyu all this time, but I just don't know now. I don't want to give the wrong person my vote based on assumptions. I want to vote for the player that played the best game in my mind, hands down. I can't ask them questions, because I won't be here to see the answers. So I don't know how to get the information I need to make what I consider to be a responsible decision. I have too much respect for the game to vote blindly.

So I have to decide... do I pre-vote? Or do I back out and let a Ponderosa member take my spot? This is a hard decision for me, and one that matters to me. So I'd like to hear all of your opinions.

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100% pre-vote.

Even if you'd be basing it off of some assumptions, it would be way more accurate measuring tool of either Atreyu or Rose's games than anyone in Ponderosa could provide. They just have been gone too long and don't have a clear idea of what's happened or who has done what. They'd be much more inclined to vote for "friends".

Think on your game and their role in it. I think you'll make the right decision. Either way, your decision will be more valid than a vote given by a Ponderosa member.
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I think you are right. I still want to hear what the others think, but I am leaning that way, and if I do go that way, I will write a speech about why I'm voting the way I am, instead of questions, since they would be pointless....

Or, I could ask questions, if you all think they would help you make up your minds.
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Agree with Romeo.
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First of all I think you should play it out. Don't give up your vote...blood, sweat and tears went into earning that right.

I say go with what your gut is telling you. I am keeping an open mind that Rose might really surprise me in FTC...but I am not holding my breath. I played with her long enough to have at least an educated guess as to how she played her game.

I think Rose and Atreyu were friendly at New Krypton. Rose and Buttercup had the whole Lucy BWA thing and Atreyu was viewed as a means to that end. I think at the merge Atreyu and Rose became closer primarily because we all neglected them to the extent that they felt they were at the bottom of things. That is where their bond grew and we allowed it by overlooking Rose who had been the backup vote for so long that we all kind of thought she wasn't a treat. She built her power base there and Atreyu was a huge part of that.

Fact is if Rose hadn't lost Buttercup, Lucy or Marion her tie to Atreyu would not have been that important.

Atreyu on the other hand played his game consistently throughout. He always knew how to stay on top of the numbers and let everyone else fall by the wayside.

My gut tells me Atreyu but keeping an open mind towards Rose incase she WOWS me (don't think she will though).

Do what you feel is best Trip but I don't think you will dishonor the game with a pre-vote (however you decide to go). I would say that most likely we all know how we are going to vote right now and more than likely nothing will be said to change that. Just my opinion but would love for you to finish this out with you Bonsai brothers (and Laurie). Wouldn't be right for you to give up your vote to someone on the Jury.

Plus most likely the Jury member picked would be Lucy. I would imagine Brobst would do like the returnees and let them vote on a replacement. Lucy will most likely be the most active in Ponderosa and would most likely be picked. We all know Lucy would pick Rose to win. So with that in mind your stepping out is in effect casting a vote for Rose to win. If that's what you want make that vote yourself...if its not don't let someone else make that vote for you.

Nothing but my opinion. Do what you gotta do for you bud. :)
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Yeah, that's true too. Stepping down is effectively casting a vote anyway.

Ok, yeah. I think I'm staying in this thing and I'll just have to make an educated guess.
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Romeo,Aug 9 2013
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100% pre-vote.

Even if you'd be basing it off of some assumptions, it would be way more accurate measuring tool of either Atreyu or Rose's games than anyone in Ponderosa could provide. They just have been gone too long and don't have a clear idea of what's happened or who has done what. They'd be much more inclined to vote for "friends".

Think on your game and their role in it. I think you'll make the right decision. Either way, your decision will be more valid than a vote given by a Ponderosa member.

Very well said Romeo. You want to protect the integrity of the game Trip? Place your vote. You have more than enough information to make a just vote. Much more so than a Ponderosa member would.
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Trip, what time roughly do you think you could make it online? Could you be here at all for it?

I don't mind pushing it back a little bit.

But also, I can put you at the end of the rotation.

Just wondering if you'd be able to be here in time to catch up and see what was happening.

Each question takes awhile to get through. Depending on the length and nature of each question, it usually averages around 15 - 20 mins per Jury question.



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In order to not give away what I'm doing (a.k.a. who I am), I will message you on Facebook about this, Brobst.
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P.S. Also...........any possible mobile access? I can obviously post your speech. But if you had a chance to peek in, you could let me know if you changed your mind about any
pre-vote.

P.P.S. 9 times out of 10, everyone at least has an inkling of how they think they'll be voting, and it's just a matter of if that person shines or tanks, or if someone you didn't plan to vote for suddenly makes a valid case or brings up something you didn't know.



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Trip,Aug 9 2013
02:33:56 AM
In order to not give away what I'm doing (a.k.a. who I am), I will message you on Facebook about this, Brobst.

Roger that :)
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Trip - trust your own experiences to make your decision. Not anyone else's. you had dealings with them and know how you feel.

If you have any outstanding questions that we can answer, ask.

Just remember - there's no right or wrong answer. It doesn't have to be unanimous.

Reward the person who meets your criteria for playing the best game.

And like BROBST said, you probably already have a pretty good idea what the answer is,
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Actually, Laurie, you can help me more than anyone. I LOVE the fact that you all teamed up to take me out. It was a really nice move and you all kept it secret so well...

especially considering the F5 round, when I was targeting Rose hard, but Wes wasn't cooperating, so I thought I turned it on him... even though you all apparently were voting him out anyway. Rose played it up so well that she was "keeping Wes under control" and you and Atreyu both led me to believe you were voting with me.

I need to know how that final three deal came about. One thing you CAN'T answer is what they would have done if you didn't win immunity at final four. It's possible they still would have voted you out, since that's what they were telling me to do. We won't know that for sure until the game wraps.

But what you CAN tell me is which one of the two of them really talked to you the most about that final three deal. Atreyu is the reason I fell for it. I trusted him when he offered me final two, which was obviously a lie. Rose, him, and me had a final three deal. I wanted to get to the end with Wes. But I didn't want to vote you out. I wanted Rose gone to split her away from Atreyu, which is why I told you about how Wes wanted you out at four, after Atreyu... which was the truth (Rose had offered Wes final 2 as well).

Did you approach them? Or did they approach you? And which one of them seemed the most in control? I didn't like either of their fallen comrades speeches. Yours was good. Not because you stroked my ego (that was good too. :lol: ), but because you took the time to really give everyone a nice tribute. They both kind of brushed me off. Rose insulted my playing style, even though she doesn't know who I am or what my record is... and Atreyu basically said he didn't want to say anything at all about me....

so that made me mad.
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Easy answer. Back around the Romeo vote. Atreyu reached to me. We started to talk again. I told him exactly what was going on. He told me that I was the only person talking to him - telling him the truth. And we started to reforge a friendship.

I didn't have to tell him any of what I did. I didn't need him then. I had my numbers - I thought. But I liked the guy. And rose and I didn't talk.

After max went. Atreyu encouraged me to talk to rose more. She still didn't trust me. The two of us worked on her together. And after the Daniel vote we locked the three of us down.

I do believe the two of them played me. Rose always pretending she'd switch up he vote to save Apollo.... Or Daniel... But that she Atreyu already voted.... And Atreyu did the same thing. They knew what they wanted.

But it started with Atreyu.

I know they would have voted me out if I didn't have immunity. No delusions there. But that threesome started because of Atreyu and I. Hope that helps.
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It does. It sounds to me like you got the same con I got. Atreyu moves in and gets your trust. He pretends that Rose is someone he is sort of with but not really with. Meanwhile, Rose keeps her distance and pretends not to be super tight with him. They get control of you and move on from there. I believe it was Rose's job to keep Wes in line, while Atreyu took care of you, me, Apollo, and at one point, Romeo.

Based on that, I do think I still want to vote for Atreyu, but it is now very apparent that Rose played her part, and if it weren't for her actions, nobody would have fallen for the ruse in the first place.

So I guess I have to weigh this out...

Atreyu... the set up guy (most of the time) vs. Rose (the theatrical support).

I'm sure they worked together on everything they did. I just feel Atreyu probably was the one that put it all together and carried out most of it.
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