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| GeordiLaTuvok | Jun 19 2009, 04:17 PM Post #1061 |
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So I'd like to pose a question to you guys and see what your opinions are on the matter. With the recent releases of Mr. Kennedy and Umaga, pretty much everybody has already just made the assumption that both men will be heading to TNA once their no-competes are up. My question is, should TNA bring either one of them in? In the case of Kennedy, you have someone who started out red hot, but then proved to be one of the most fragile people in the industry this side of Dave Batista. Every time WWE tried to get something going with him, be it MITB or being Vince's son or what have you, he always either got hurt or did something stupid (see: fail a Wellness test) to bring his momentum to a halt. Furthermore, his in-ring work was never able to catch up to his push, and I think that did a lot to damage the way the fans looked at him. And even furthermore, the only thing that ever got him over to begin with was the self-introduction gimmick, and I would think that WWE has all those things associated with the character copyrighted, so he probably wouldn't be able to use the only thing about him that was over in TNA. So is there an upside to Kennedy in TNA at all? As for Umaga...let me first say that I am a huge fan of his. I've loved his work since he debuted, and feel he's been one of the most overlooked talents of the last five years. Now, with that said...he got fired because he failed his second wellness test and refused to go to rehab. He clearly has a problem, whether he wants to address it or not. This is keeping in mind that he has been released from WWE before (Remember Jamal from 3 Minute Warning?), and while the official reason was that he had an attitude problem, it's not too much of a stretch to think that WWE maybe felt like he had a wellness problem back then as well, even though that was before they were actually testing. On top of all that, TNA signed Jeff Hardy when he left WWE for refusing to go to rehab. Then, TNA signed Kurt Angle when he left WWE for refusing to go to rehab. What message does it send if TNA now signs Umaga as well? And finally, one last point. TNA has built a reputation for being a company that will beg for any crumb that falls off of WWE's table. This, obviously, makes the company look really bad and completely second rate. So even if you remove the problems with both Kennedy and Umaga, would it perhaps be a smart move for TNA to just pass up on these guys anyway, if only to attempt to dispel the belief that they will take anyone who has ever been associated with WWE? Edited by GeordiLaTuvok, Jun 19 2009, 04:17 PM.
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| Kat | Jun 19 2009, 04:24 PM Post #1062 |
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TNA IS second rate. It's not just a reputation they've built for themselves, it's that they actually are a second rate organization. So of course they will pick up WWE's scraps whenever they can. It's good business for them to pick them up. It brings new and old rivalries together and brings fans of the individual wrestlers to TNA. Kennedy was good in ring, I'm surprised you don't think so. But the best part about him is that he's really good on the mic. That's what makes Christian, Rock, Jericho so popular. And I doubt WWE can copywright someone yelling their name into a mic at the top of his lungs...so the entrance gimick isn't owned by WWE. |
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Jun 20 2009, 08:36 PM Post #1063 |
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It's not that I think Kennedy's a bad worker...he's just completely average. That, and the word was that he was kind of sloppy at taking care of other wrestlers, which is always a problem. As for on the mic...yeah, his entrance deal was a lot of fun, but when he was just cutting a straight promo, I don't think he really had the ability to captivate. Granted, he sounded a hell of a lot better than, say, a Jack Swagger, but I don't know that he actually had the it factor on the mic when he wasn't doing his intro gimmick. For the copyright thing, WWE can trademark aspects of a character. For example, the Dudleys aren't allowed to come to the ring wearing glasses, because WWE owns the rights to that aspect of the characters. They can't stop him from screaming "Mr. Anderson!" (Ken Anderson being his real name) into a mic, but I'm pretty sure they can stop him from screaming "Misteeeeeeeeeeeeeeer Anderson....Anderson!" if they have reserved the rights to that. And I would say it's almost certain that the spotlight in the middle of the ring with the mic lowering from the ceiling wouldn't be allowed. To be fair, though, I'll totally admit that this whole paragraph is speculation. If and when he winds up in TNA, I suppose we'll see. But back to the original question, do you think it would benefit TNA enough to bring in Kennedy and/or Umaga, or do you think it would behoove them to pass up on these guys for the various reasons between them? |
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| Kat | Jun 20 2009, 10:31 PM Post #1064 |
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like i said, it could only benefit TNA to bring them on. They are both great wrestlers and great characters. they are already viewed as picking up WWE's scraps, so it's not like their reps can get worse in that regard. |
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| QDonQ | Jun 21 2009, 12:10 PM Post #1065 |
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I don't think most people pay attention to why wrestlers leave the WWE. Most like me consider them like actors getting hired to a new series as opposed to athletes leaving the NBA to play in Europe. So the details of the switch don't interest people as much... I had no idea Mr. kennedy got fired. (seems like I saw him a few weeks ago on RAW) So I would have been pleasantly surprised when he showed up on TNA... (If I were still watching it) (Pet peeve of mine about Mr. Kennedy's intro. I have been mad at Mr Kennedy since he changed his intro... At first the second "Kennedy" was like an echo, softer and in the background. But now somewhere along the way he started yelling the second "Kennedy" louder than the first... I don't like it as much) |
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| QDonQ | Jun 21 2009, 06:56 PM Post #1066 |
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Jun 23 2009, 03:09 PM Post #1067 |
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This isn't a knock on either man, but I really don't see much likely benefit to bringing either in, myself. Looking at TNA's history, here's what we've seen. They signed Jeff Hardy, no increase in ratings or PPV buys. They signed Sting, no increase in ratings or PPV buys. They signed Kurt Angle, no increase in ratings or PPV buys. They signed Mick Foley, and finally -- FINALLY -- they stumbled across somebody who brought with him a minor bump in ratings. Minor, as in, about a .2 increase, and honestly part of that could just be that the TNA brand name is finally getting out there more and more. If names like Hardy, Sting, and Angle can't do anything for the company, then what are Kennedy and Umaga going to do? The odds are you would wind up paying Kennedy to sit out for months at a time whenever he gets a hangnail, and with Umaga, TNA really is just tempting fate if they sign yet another person WWE fired for wellness reasons. As far as being viewed as picking up WWE's scraps, that is very true, it can't get any worse. But just because they can't get any worse in being looked at like that doesn't mean they shouldn't, in fact, try to turn things around and be looked at as a company that builds its own stars. As a TNA fan since the beginning (although it has been hard to watch since Russo joined their creative team), the most frustrating thing about the company is that they have enough of their very own home grown TNA stars to get over as their own individual company. I've been to a couple of TNA shows, and the most over characters to the live crowd are, without question, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, LAX, Jay Lethal, and the Motor City Machineguns. The only people that come close to them in live crowd reactions are the Dudleys. The talent is there that TNA could build its own identity as a company and just use the occasional former WWE or WCW star just as some garnish on the side, but they simply refuse. Anyway, I'm getting completely off topic here, so I will end this post before I rant some more. |
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.
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| Kat | Jun 23 2009, 03:26 PM Post #1068 |
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on a sidenote, i'd just like to mention that last week's Edge vs Morrison match was the best match I've seen all year. |
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Jun 23 2009, 03:30 PM Post #1069 |
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Absolutely tremendous, no doubt. |
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Jun 23 2009, 05:41 PM Post #1070 |
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I trash on WWE a lot, so I think it's only fair that I should point it out when I heavily criticize something and am proven wrong. Last night's Trump Raw pulled in a 4.5 rating, which is the biggest number WWE has seen in a long time. So, while the angle may not have appealed to me (see: at all, whatsoever), it clearly drew the interest of the public, so I have to admit it was a good move. |
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.
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