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| GeordiLaTuvok | Sep 26 2006, 01:05 PM Post #191 |
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Don't get me wrong, I know that personality has more to do with getting over than ability does. However, personality is not the only important thing by a long shot. Rock and Hogan got over despite their lack of ability because they had -so- much personality that it completely overshadowed their poor in-ring skills. Kurt Angle, while he definitely has personality and is charismatic, I just can't see getting over nearly as much as he did if he wasn't a great worker, too. And actually, you brought up the point of Benoit, who I think helps underscore my point. Chris Benoit doesn't get shoved to the side because he's not over. He comes out, he's almost guaranteed a good response, and the crowd really digs him. Why? Well, it's certainly not his mic work or his charisma, so it has to be his amazing in-ring abilities. He gets pushed to the side because WWE doesn't like to push people who lack mic skills (which, to be honest, I can understand that perspective). Again, personality and charisma are more important to getting someone over, and that's obviously why Benoit isn't -as- over with the crowd as more charismatic talents, but there's no denying that the crowd loves him. Anyway, the point is that what I'm saying about Kurt is that while he is a good TV performer, he's a -great- PPV performer, and that makes him a better TNA fit. As for Kurt not being the wrestler he was...that's true. However, I'd still go so far as to say that he's at least still one of the top five in-ring workers today, so I don't think anyone is going to see him as any less. And I also want to touch on your Christian point. First off, I just want to say that you're 100% right here, but with an asterisk attached to that. Christian debuted in TNA, and at first he was an enormous deal (although, the poor guy got overshadowed by the death of Eddie Guerrero and the debut of Sting, but that's not what this is about right now). Slowly, as they kept him as a face, his momentum started to fade because he just has no personality as a face, a la his friend Edge. So at this point in time, while I wouldn't say he means nothing, he definitely doesn't mean what he should, nor does he even mean as much as he did when he was the upper-card jobber in WWE. Now, my asterisk is that TNA is starting to fix that. Turning Christian heel, while it came months too late, has started giving Christian his momentum again. His feud with Rhyno has been really entertaining (and their match at No Surrender was just plain awesome), and his promos have had that fire that used to be just a given from Christian. So yeah, TNA made a big mistake with Christian at first by keeping him face for more than a month or two, but that's definitely being fixed now. |
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.
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| defiantboy81 | Oct 1 2006, 08:43 AM Post #192 |
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O.K. Question for you all. Is ECW doomed? |
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| defiantboy81 | Oct 1 2006, 08:52 AM Post #193 |
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And another question. Brooke Hogan. Why should we listen to her? Is her old man getting her more fame than she deserves? I think I may start a new thread with this. |
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Oct 1 2006, 10:32 PM Post #194 |
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No, I don't think ECW is doomed. I think it got off to a very rocky start (the first episode of ECW was just unspeakably bad), but since then it has become an entertaining product, and in my opinion far and away the best of WWE's three weekly shows now. Now granted, the ratings for ECW aren't those of Raw or SmackDown, but that's to be expected not only this early in the brand's existence, but also considering that it's on SciFi. ECW never will (and honestly, never should) be treated as being on the same level as Raw or SmackDown. While they have gone drastically far away from what the real ECW was, they're still trying to maintain that feeling that they're the rebels of the wrestling world. Whether or not they're succeeding with that is a matter of opinion, but obviously, part of maintaining that feeling is by making sure Raw and SmackDown are the headlining shows for WWE. As for Brooke Hogan...you should listen to her because Hulk Hogan says you should, and he got to get a pinfall victory over Randy Orton without Randy getting any heat back on him in order to tell us that. |
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.
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| Kat | Oct 1 2006, 11:01 PM Post #195 |
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Orton can't kill EVERY legend. Especially the immortal one. Can't really kill an immortal now can you? |
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Oct 2 2006, 12:41 PM Post #196 |
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I have to disagree here. I think the two most important victories Randy Orton needed to get the gimmick over were the ones against Hulk Hogan and the Undertaker, because they're the two most significant legends he faced. If you have him beat legends like Hacksaw and Fabulous Moolah easily, then have him just barely win by a lucky opportunity to cheat against higher level legends like Jerry Lawler, and then flat-out show us that he can't beat the upper-tier legends like Hogan and Undertaker, then you're just turning the Legend Killer character into a joke. I know I laugh nowadays whenever they call him the Legend Killer, since we now know that only means he can beat old men past their primes who never made it to the top anyway and women. My bigger issue with the Orton thing is...what, exactly, did WWE get out of Hogan's appearance, either short term or long term? They paid Hulk Hogan a lot of money to come in and push his daughter's CD, so he could appear at a PPV (an appearance that didn't pop the PPV buyrate at all, nor did it pop the weekly Raw ratings) and get a pinfall victory over one of WWE's rising stars. Hulk was in classic Hulk form in this latest appearance...take, take, take. |
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.
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| Kat | Oct 2 2006, 12:49 PM Post #197 |
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I think it is obvious what the WWE got out of it. Hogan is always a huge draw, no matter what PPV he's on. Any smart business should jump at any opportunity to get Hogan. That plus the match was the legend killer versus the ultimate legend...that sounds like a pretty huge match to me. I know that is the match that made me decided to buy the PPV. |
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Oct 2 2006, 01:01 PM Post #198 |
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But that's the thing, while Hulk Hogan has almost always been a big draw, he wasn't this time around. Granted, WWE couldn't have known this going into the feud, but Hogan's apprearance this time around wound up meaning nothing to the company. No bigger TV ratings (and even if there were big TV ratings...those only mean anything if hypothetically having Hogan around had increased the numbers, and then they stayed up after he left, because then there'd be a long-term advantage to it). The SummerSlam buyrate was still around what the "big four" are every year. The building was sold out for SummerSlam...but it sold out long before Hogan had been announced for the show. Hogan's appearance did nothing for WWE aside from costing them some money and making Orton look bad. And while posting this, I remembered another detail about why Hogan's win over Orton was so obnoxious. In the weeks prior to SummerSlam, Hogan had a "knee injury" (pfft), and it was widely assumed that the reason he claimed to have hurt his knee was so when he was pinned by Orton, he would have an excuse to why he lost. While that was annoying that he needed an excuse, at least it meant Orton was gonna get the win. Then...Hogan won. Hulk Hogan beat the guy who is supposed to be the Legend Killer...with a bad knee. Great. The irony here is, I honestly think they can bring Hogan in and have him beat most people without them looking bad. For example, if next year Hulk Hogan comes in and beats Mr. Kennedy...fine. I think it's lame, because it serves no long term purpose for the company, but it's not like a loss to Hogan will hurt anyone. The exception to this is Randy Orton, solely because of the Legend Killer gimmick. |
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.
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| Kat | Oct 2 2006, 01:09 PM Post #199 |
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I don't think Orton looked bad. It was a very good match IMO. In good matches, even the loser leaves the match looking good. ESPECIALLY when no cheating is involved. As for your knee thing, we shouldn't even discuss it since it is just speculation. Don't be offended, but I've noticed you always look for some sort of deception from WWE..even if there is none to be found. Not saying the knee thing isn't true, I just don't want to argue about something that may or may not be true. Keep in mind, the guy is pretty freakin old and knee inuries, or any injury, isn't really that hard to believe is it? |
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Oct 2 2006, 01:19 PM Post #200 |
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Okay, I want to state that I absolutely understand what you're saying about me and the knee injury thing here, so I just want to clarify my thoughts here. I'll drop it after this post, but I just want you to understand where I'm coming from on it. By no means do I feel the knee injury was a deception by WWE. I think it was 100% on Hogan's part. The reason I don't buy it? Well, because Hulk Hogan has done this before, just ask TNA. If the injury was a fake, I don't think WWE had anything to do with coming up with it, nor do I even think they know for sure if it was fake. I just know it's really suspicious that Hulk Hogan, who has a history of getting these sudden injuries, or "other bookings," or situations that mean he can't show up, magically gets a knee injury after standing up out of a couch just a couple of weeks before SummerSlam, and then during that period of time, goes on a show (Regis, I think?) and starts dancing around. Believe it or not, I will defend WWE to no end when it comes to this situation, because I think Vince was honestly trying to what he felt would be best for business, and just got screwed by Hulk Hogan. The problem comes from the fact that Hulk Hogan, like Mick Foley, is given creative control of his storylines whenever he comes in at this point. The difference is, unlike Mick Foley, Hulk loves using that creative control to make sure he gets over in the end. |
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.
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