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| defiantboy81 | Nov 6 2006, 02:14 PM Post #241 |
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Let's not forget that Savage has a reputation for being a pain in the ass somewhat. And he didn't have the balls to tell Vince that he was leaving. They were just wating for him to show up for Raw one week, but he was on Nitro instead. :thumbs1: |
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Nov 6 2006, 02:16 PM Post #242 |
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This is absolutely true. Savage isn't someone a lot of people like working with, and as was said, he did just show up on Nitro without informing Vince or anyone that he was out of WWE. Of course, the latter is more an issue of Vince not learning from his past mistakes (see: Lex Luger). |
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| Kat | Nov 6 2006, 02:29 PM Post #243 |
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I was about to say that neither of those are that big a deal. Vince has taken people back who had left for WCW. And people have come back to WWE who seem to think they were screwed by Vince. Then DB mentions this thing about Randy just not showing up one day.....I think that's going a bit too far. Now I don't want to see him taken back by Vince. lol |
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Nov 6 2006, 02:37 PM Post #244 |
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Okay, but the thing about Savage not showing up is that he was under no contractual obligation to do so. His contract had expired, and it hadn't been that long since the exact same thing had happened with Lex Luger where the contract ran up and Vince didn't notice it, so you'd think Vince would have been a bit more careful about it all (particularly with the knowledge that Randy wasn't happy). Don't get me wrong, I do think it was wrong of Savage to not notify Vince that he was leaving, but there really was no reason that he had to. It's nothing like the Stone Cold situation where he just walked out on the company because he didn't like the way he was being booked on an episode of Raw. |
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.
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| defiantboy81 | Nov 7 2006, 02:34 PM Post #245 |
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Let's not forget that Austin's neck was completely knackered at that time, and he was being asked to wrestle Lesnar (who was greener than cabbage) at the time. With no advertising beforehand. Austin only wrestled 1 more real match after that night (WM verses the Rock). |
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Nov 7 2006, 11:59 PM Post #246 |
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Yes, all these points were true, and Austin was completely right about how stupid of a decision it was to have Austin vs. Lesnar for the first time in an unadvertised match that wasn't on PPV. That doesn't excuse the fact that while under contract with WWE, he walked out on a show he was scheduled for and just went home. That is unacceptable, irresponsible behavior. Yes, Austin had been growing extremely frustrated in the direction WWE was taking, but the right way to go about expressing that isn't to just completely screw over the company. |
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.
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| defiantboy81 | Nov 8 2006, 11:12 AM Post #247 |
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I've just realised that there was never any mention of a creative control clause in Austin's contract. I have to say though, that I have a certain amount of sympathy with Austin. Would you have entrusted your safety to a green wrestler, who was sloppy (just look at Hardcore Holly) with that bad a neck? If Brock had f***ed up and dropped Austin on his head whilst executing an F-5, it would have been curtains for Steve. I don't think I'm exaggerating. Would walking out have been any worse than invoking a creative control clause? The effect would have been just the same. |
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| GeordiLaTuvok | Nov 8 2006, 02:14 PM Post #248 |
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Again, I do feel that Steve Austin was completely right in his opinions on the situation. Everything WWE had planned there was just plain stupid. Honestly, though, I don't feel Lesnar was as sloppy at the time as you're saying. Yes, he hurt Bob Holly, but accidents happen in the ring. D'Lo Brown wasn't sloppy, and we all know what happened to Droz. Anyway, walking out is far worse that invoking a creative control clause. A creative control clause actually gives him the right to say "no, I'm not going to be doing that angle tonight," and it also means that he's not walking out on the company. If he had creative control and had denied it, then I'm sure WWE wouldn't have been pleased, but they could have at least come up with something new for Austin to do that night, and they also wouldn't have had any room to complain because they gave him the right to do that (not that it would have stopped them from complaining...I think Bret Hart is a pretty good example of that). |
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.
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| Kat | Nov 8 2006, 02:30 PM Post #249 |
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Sorry GLT...I'm gonna have to call you out here. About MachoMan....you said you sorta blamed Vince because he should have seen it coming seeing as how someone had already left the same way. You said Vince should have been more proactive about that. But on the other hand, you said Vince was out of line by being proactive about the Brett Hart screwjob....even though he suspected Brett was going to do the same thing that someone else had recently done (take a WWF title to WCW and deface it). So you can't have it both ways....should Vince be proactive when he feels someone is about to screw him or not? |
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| wissaboo | Nov 8 2006, 03:12 PM Post #250 |
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Can I ask a question? Why is this thread for Geordi LeTuvok only? |
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