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The WWE Thread; Talk WWE Here!!
Topic Started: Feb 21 2006, 10:54 AM (44,806 Views)
defiantboy81
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O.K. So I may have ommitted the odd little detail.
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Nov 13 2006, 12:57 AM
Why do people say Vince makes stupid moves?

Vince resurrected ECW with the idea that he would hook the old ECW fans on it, then after a few months, he'd slowly start changing it to a WWE style product, and of course, all the fans would follow along. Well, he got impatient, and changed it to a WWE style product within a matter of weeks. The ratings plummeted.

He has appointed his daughter as the head of the creative team. During her time there, she has produced nothing but utter garbage that is nothing more than uninteresting retreads of old stuff. When a talented writer (see: Paul Heyman) starts improving the shows past what Stephanie is capable of, said talented writer finds himself as a "creative consultant" sitting at home.

JBL is a man who has chased off countless employees by being an asshole and a bully backstage, going so far even as to jokingly threaten to rape a man he'd tied up in the shower until he got the guy to cry, simply because he was "hazing" him. Vince McMahon thinks JBL is a benefit to the company, and isn't likely to fire him unless somehow JBL makes the idiotic mistake of hazing Shane.

He signed Scott Steiner to a WWE deal, which was a huge deal that everyone got excited over. Huge pops for Steiner, and all that. Triple H didn't like having Scott Steiner around. Soon Steiner was stuck in a feud with Test on the undercard that just never ended.

After the tremendous failure of the Great Khali on SmackDown, he decided to return him to television.

He bought out WCW, thus shooting the wrestling industry in the foot.

Raven's debut during a match that no one cared about in Tazz vs. Jerry Lawler got an enormous ovation. Raven had a brief feud with Chris Jericho, a short tag reign with Tazz, and then was stuck in meaningless hardcore feuds. He then found himself stuck on Heat.

Francine, one of the most hard-working and unique female performers in recent memory (though not a fantastic in-ring worker, granted), was recently fired, because she didn't fit the cut-and-paste mold of the WWE divas.

Now a year after his death, Eddie Guerrero's name is still being used as a prop in storylines to get cheap heel heat for Chavo Guerrero and cheap babyface pops for Rey Mysterio and Chris Benoit.

Any time a writer, wrestler, or whoever goes to Vince and suggests that things need to be changed, that person is then verbally humiliated by Vince in front of the entire locker room. As a result, no one is willing to try and get things to change anymore.

When Paul London asked Vince to let the cruiserweight division continue doing its high flying moves and being unique, he was almost instantly stripped of the Cruiserweight title and stuck on Velocity with a gimmick based around him whining all the time.

Want me to keep going?

I don't watch wrestling because of Vince McMahon. While I respect what he has accomplished in the past (with a big emphasis on "in the past"), the fact is that as long as wrestling was available on my TV, I'd be watching regardless of whether or not Vince McMahon is or ever was involved. I watch wrestling because I love the in-ring competition, and that's something Vince has minimal control over. I just miss the days when the shows were actually entertaining to watch besides the matches.

You take this stuff way too seriously...It was a retorical question



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lol

Is this for real? I found it on YouTube and it looks real to me. I don't know anything about TNA so I don't know if this is just some sort of gimick.

lol
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lol, Nah, this is just the new angle for the James Gang.

And to Qdon, let me ask...if someone was to ask you, even rhetorically, why people think Rick Berman and Brannon Braga make stupid decisions all the time, wouldn't you be likely to have an answer for that? A lot of Trekkies have been legitimately pissed off at B&B for screwing up Star Trek so badly. By the same token, a lot of wrestling fans have been legitimately pissed off at Vince McMahon for screwing up wrestling so badly. There's not really much of a difference that I see.
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Nov 15 2006, 05:06 PM
lol, Nah, this is just the new angle for the James Gang.

And to Qdon, let me ask...if someone was to ask you, even rhetorically, why people think Rick Berman and Brannon Braga make stupid decisions all the time, wouldn't you be likely to have an answer for that? A lot of Trekkies have been legitimately pissed off at B&B for screwing up Star Trek so badly. By the same token, a lot of wrestling fans have been legitimately pissed off at Vince McMahon for screwing up wrestling so badly. There's not really much of a difference that I see.

I agree that is the same thing... I didn't get the hatred of B & B either. It was obvious that Voyager was bad product. But I found Enterprise to be excellent, sans the first season... But there are those who claim Voyager as the best of all the Treks...

I have been watching wresetling for 30 years and it has it's ups and downs... I happen to think it is better now than many of the years I watched.

I really wish The new age Outlaws had quit.... DX reunited...A man can dream.



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QDonQ
Nov 16 2006, 12:50 PM
GeordiLaTuvok
Nov 15 2006, 05:06 PM
lol, Nah, this is just the new angle for the James Gang.

And to Qdon, let me ask...if someone was to ask you, even rhetorically, why people think Rick Berman and Brannon Braga make stupid decisions all the time, wouldn't you be likely to have an answer for that? A lot of Trekkies have been legitimately pissed off at B&B for screwing up Star Trek so badly. By the same token, a lot of wrestling fans have been legitimately pissed off at Vince McMahon for screwing up wrestling so badly. There's not really much of a difference that I see.

I agree that is the same thing... I didn't get the hatred of B & B either. It was obvious that Voyager was bad product. But I found Enterprise to be excellent, sans the first season... But there are those who claim Voyager as the best of all the Treks...

I have been watching wresetling for 30 years and it has it's ups and downs... I happen to think it is better now than many of the years I watched.

I really wish The new age Outlaws had quit.... DX reunited...A man can dream.

That's fair if you don't mind what B&B did, I was just trying to draw a comparison so you'd understand where I'm coming from on this. And you are right, there have been worse times in wrestling (early 90's WWE, 2000-2001 WCW come to mind), but I personally feel this may be the most frustrating time I've experienced in my 16 years or so watching, just because it feels like so many of the problems out there are just so damn easy to fix.

Anyway, on the note of the New Age Outlaws/James Gang/Voodoo Kin Mafia, I've gotta say that for the first time since...well...they broke up originally back in 1999, I'm actually really into what they're doing right now. They've taken a creative edge that I think is pretty different than what we have from other characters in either WWE or TNA right now, which is always nice.

It's kind of interesting how spread out DX is these days. Obviously, over in WWE you've got Triple H and Shawn Michaels. In TNA, Road Dogg and Billy Gunn are around. And finally, once WSX starts airing, we're gonna have X-Pac on over there.
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What's this about Lashly heading for EE SEE DUB then? Michael Hayes doesn't get on with him or something?
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That was the original word, was that Lashley and Hayes didn't like working with each other. Since then, Lashley has said that it's more that he really enjoys working with Heyman. I'm willing to believe him that it's the latter more than the former, since he doesn't really have a reason to lie about that.
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.

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Raw was Great! The Hardy fight made the show...



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This was definitely the best Raw in a while. I know I rag on Jeff Hardy a lot (and in my opinion, he deserves it), but since his return to WWE, I have to admit he's shown a lot more wrestling ability than he ever has before. Johnny Nitro is coming along well with his in-ring abilities, too. The ladder match was really good stuff.
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