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The WWE Thread; Talk WWE Here!!
Topic Started: Feb 21 2006, 10:54 AM (44,764 Views)
GeordiLaTuvok
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I fully expect to see the Ric Flair situation worked out. The thing is, he pretty much announced that his last match was going to be at WrestleMania 24. Just a personal opinion, but I think what happened here is that he (rightfully) expected to get more or less a farewell tour for the final year of his career. Instead, he got laid out by the Great Khali's deadly claw. My guess is that this is nothing more than a power play by Flair to make sure the last months of his career see him getting the respect he deserves on TV. Quite frankly, we're talking about Ric freakin' Flair here, so if he truly is retiring at WrestleMania 24, then by all means we should be seeing an incredible run for him up until then.

On a much more serious note...I'm just gonna quote the last part of an article from PWInsider.com

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Today, an ABC News story today states that was, in fact, a condition from which Benoit suffered.

According to Michael Benoit, Chris' father, tests conducted by Julian Bailes of the Sports Legacy Institute show that Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled that of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient.  Bailes and his research team say that this damage was the result of a lifetime of chronic concussions and head trauma suffered while Benoit was in the wrestling ring.

Benoit was famous for his flying headbutt, which put stress on his brain every time he did it.  It's now entirely possible that we know why he committed the acts.


I'm not going to claim that this absolves Benoit of his crimes, because obviously it does not by any means. However, this does make it a little bit easier to deal with what he did.
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GeordiLaTuvok
Sep 5 2007, 09:26 AM

I'm not going to claim that this absolves Benoit of his crimes, because obviously it does not by any means. However, this does make it a little bit easier to deal with what he did.

How so? This by no means shows that the damage contributed to his horrible actions in any way. You (and many other people) are looking for any straw in this, and as soon as one appears you cling to it.

IF this contibuted, THEN it would be easier to deal with. But until this supposed brain damage is shown to be contibutory, don't loosen the reigns of guilt just yet.


Here's a much less biased article than the quote from PWInsider.


msn.com
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ATLANTA - Pro wrestler Chris Benoit suffered brain damage from his years in the ring that could help explain why he killed his wife, son and himself, a doctor who studied Benoit’s brain said Wednesday.

The analysis by doctors affiliated with the Sports Legacy Institute suggests repeated concussions could have contributed to the killings at Benoit’s suburban Atlanta home.

The wrestler’s father, Michael Benoit, told reporters Wednesday that he knows his son had concussions because his son told him so. But he also said he knows of no medical records or records kept by the wrestling league to support the diagnosis.

Steroid use also has lingered as a theory behind the killings, since anabolic steroids were found in Chris Benoit’s home and tests conducted by authorities showed Benoit had roughly 10 times the normal level of testosterone in his system when he died.

The institute, which researches the long-term effects of concussions, coordinated the testing using samples of Benoit’s brain tissue provided by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

The Waltham, Mass.-based institute’s president is former pro wrestler Christopher Nowinski, who has said he had to quit the ring after a kick to the head. Nowinski still has ties with World Wrestling Entertainment Inc., which runs the league he and Benoit were in.

A lawyer for Stamford, Conn.-based WWE did not immediately return a call Wednesday seeking comment. The company has maintained steroid use did not cause Benoit to snap.

Despite the results of the institute’s tests, there was no way to know if Benoit’s concussions contributed to the murder-suicide, said Dr. Robert Cantu, a member of the institute who also is chief of neurosurgery service at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass.

“Whether it is the sole factor I believe is speculation and I will not go there,” Cantu said by phone.

The level of brain damage Benoit had can cause depression and irrational behavior, Cantu said.

Benoit’s brain showed the same degenerative processes that doctors working for the institute found in the brains of three men who had played pro football and committed suicide, Cantu said. There were abnormal protein deposits caused by trauma to Benoit’s brain, Cantu said.

There’s no evidence that steroid use causes such protein deposits, Cantu said, though he noted the issue has not been exhaustively studied.

Investigators allowed the institute to test Benoit’s brain tissue with the permission of his father, who lives near Edmonton in Ardrossan, Alberta.

Michael Benoit said Wednesday that he agreed to the testing because murder-suicide was out of character for his son. He also disclosed that after the killings, he discovered a diary written by his son that showed his son was having problems.

“After reading the diary, I would have thought it was written by someone who was extremely disturbed at the time,” Michael Benoit said.

He did not elaborate, but he did say a friend told him that prior to the murder-suicide, Chris Benoit had been wearing a rosary, which he said was also out of character.

“I think it’s the extreme that is in the wrestling industry today,” he told reporters. “The human skull is not built to get hit by a chair or something.”

The father said he has not discussed with his attorney whether to take any legal action against the WWE or anyone else in the case. His attorney, Cary Ichter, said that at a later time he “will give thoughtful consideration” to appropriate steps to take in the “legal arena.”

Nowinski said concussions can happen in pro wrestling even though many of the moves are staged.

“I got four concussions in three years as a professional wrestler,” said Nowinski, who works for the WWE on its initiative to encourage young people to vote. “A lot of concussions happen from mistakes.”

Prosecutors have said Benoit, 40, strangled his wife with a cord, used a choke hold to strangle his 7-year-old son, placed Bibles next to the bodies and hanged himself on a piece of exercise equipment the weekend of June 22.

Authorities have said Benoit’s personal doctor, Phil Astin, prescribed a 10-month supply of anabolic steroids to Benoit every three to four weeks between May 2006 and May 2007. Astin has pleaded not guilty to federal charges of improperly prescribing painkillers and other drugs to two patients other than Benoit.

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I don't think we'll ever know definitively whether or not it actually did contribute, but I will openly state that when your brain is damaged that severely, it's significantly more reasonable to assume that it did contribute than that it did not.

As you said, we don't know that it did and we probably never will for sure, but I hardly think this classifies as clinging to a straw. As I stated, even if this was the major contributing factor to what happened, it does not absolve him of what he did.
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Hey Guys, I will soon be putting together an interview of sorts for Wrestling Fans for my Blog. Who would like to take part in it? :D
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I'll take part.

And on a much happier note than what we've just been talking about..."The Punisher" Andrew Martin is already gone from TNA. For those who might not know, that was Test, who made a grand total of I believe two (maybe three) appearances for the company, but managed to piss off everybody in the locker room with his attitude of "I'm a big WWE superstar, so everyone should listen to me," and now is gone. So...happy days!

Aaaaaand here are more details on the Cryme Tyme situaition:

At a house show, Cryme Tyme and Cade & Murdoch were going to have a tag match. The two teams don't really get along that well personally (not that they hate each other or anything, just that they don't really care for each other). Cade & Murdoch, being the veterans, were laying out the finish of the match, but Cryme Tyme was having an issue understanding what they meant. Finally, Cade just said something along the lines of "you'll see what happens when we get out there." Cryme Tyme misinterpreted that as a threat, and basically responded with "yeah, we'll see" in a way that was clearly a counter-threat. Lance Cade then decided to go to the ref for the match and pull a rib on Cryme Tyme, asking the ref to shoot count them out of the ring, which of course was not the planned finish. So, the match goes down, and Cryme Tyme gets unexpectedly counted out by the ref, and they were pissed. So maintaining their characters, they got in the ring and performed their finisher on the ref, then took off his belt and sold it off to the crowd (which of course was all unplanned). When they got to the back, they were read the riot act by the agents and told they can't ever do anything like that. A bit later on, they were approached by some of the locker room veterans and told they should just go apologize to diffuse the situation, but since they were still pissed, they refused. Word about that got back to Johnny Ace, and the next day they got the call that they were released because of their attitudes.

So...my opinion here is that Cryme Tyme got screwed. While they did react poorly to what happened, the fact is they were still put in a situation by Lance Cade (Trevor Murdoch apparently didn't have much to do with what happened), and now Cade gets off without any sort of trouble while Cryme Tyme is fired.
Once upon a time, a man lived. This man was a man who really lived. He was the best there was at what he did, living. Living is what he did, and he did it well. In fact, he did it too well. He lived so well that he made other people stop living. That is why he had to be stopped. To stop him, they sent Rimo.

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Can I just state once more for the record how much I can't stand Cade & Murdoch? I especially despise Murdoch. He makes me sick just looking at him. They're a bunch of bufoons in my mind and I think it's a shame to see them still around and Cryme Tyme get the can.
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Hmm...maybe they'll pull a "Boogyman" and get re-hired within a matter of weeks or months. :lol:


Yo Yo Yo, pot a forty and check your rollies, it's Cryme Tyme!!

BROOKLYN BROOKLYN!!

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They really did get screwed big time. And just when they were starting to go over well with the crowds....sad really. Good on them for staying in character and improvising that stuff with the ref, that's the sign of good workers right there.
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Cryme Type is an insult to every black man in America... Next time they come back some one should "stay in character" and shoot them like the idiots they portray.
Hate Them!
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I hate them almost as much as I hate Coco B Ware.



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Ok now I will try to be objective.

They were completely wrong. You do not touch any one if it is not scripted. Especially when you are new. It was the ref who obviously was the true professional here. He continued to go along with this improved skit even though he probably wanted to kick their a$$. Then Cryme Tyme is given a chance to apologize and don't. That's not the kind of attitude that is need or wanted. That is one of the reasons that WCW disbanded. Too many wrestlers making decisions for themselves. I remember Hogan coming to the ring and giving up because of a script disagreement. Jeff Jerrit did the same. You can't do that. Next thing you know they are going to spitting on people.

Who do they think they are Brett Hart?



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