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The WWE Thread; Talk WWE Here!!
Topic Started: Feb 21 2006, 10:54 AM (44,758 Views)
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Y'know, I LOVED the HHH bit. I really did. He's such a badass. Of course I wasn't looking at it the way you were GLT. I didn't see it as HHH holding those guys back or making them look weak (well, of course they looked weak but that's because HHH pounded them, lol). Now, I have to step back and look at it from your prospective, which is more of a technical view or even a 'canon' view, so to speak .......... keeping WWE true to it's form, etc. I'm just a fan enjoying the show while you are looking at the nitty gritty.

I will say this. Carlito is a chump. He can't be taken seriously. Why WWE continually makes him the butt of the jokes and makes him look like a moron I don't know. I think they guy is pretty good but he never seems to get a chance to be legit, y'know? That's sad, really.

BTW, I also like Beth Phoenix. She's seem like the real deal. She's looking butch in the face which leads me to believe she's been on the juice but she's a cool chick. Not since Trish have I really liked a female wrestler. Mickey is good but she's not Trish.
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However, with the one exception of John Cena, can anybody please tell me when the hell he has come remotely close to doing that for anyone?

Yes, when Shelton Benjamin first went to RAW. :p


Anyways, I didn't mind the HHH owning everyone...I just hated his monologue. He's trying to be a comedian but it just doesn't work from him. He's trying to say funny shit like ROCK or dare I say Cena so that he can be as legendary as say Rock or Austin but it's just not working well. And his jokes were all just so bad.

And I HATE the Hornswoggle thing for a couple of reasons. First, because the bastard child storyline was actually interesting and could have lasted for a long time if they had been able to go with an ACTUAL superstar like Kennedy. But since they were forced to do the Hornswoggle thing, it just ruins that storyline. Now it's a joke, and not even a funny one. The other reason I hate it is that Horn is a Smackdown character so all of his with Vince should be happening on Smackdown, not on RAW. What, are they just going to split of Finley and Hornswoggle??? That's kinda stupid IMO.


I'm thinking Candace Michelle could be the next Trish Stratus in that she's way hot AND can wrestle well. Usually, the divas are one or the other. Trish was both, now Candace (although not at Trish's skill level) is becoming both.
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I'm thinking Candace Michelle could be the next Trish Stratus in that she's way hot AND can wrestle well. Usually, the divas are one or the other. Trish was both, now Candace (although not at Trish's skill level) is becoming both.

She has not looked as pretty ever since she got her nose broken... and then got it fixed



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I'm thinking Candace Michelle could be the next Trish Stratus in that she's way hot AND can wrestle well.  Usually, the divas are one or the other.  Trish was both, now Candace (although not at Trish's skill level) is becoming both.

She has not looked as pretty ever since she got her nose broken... and then got it fixed

Is THAT what happened? I was wondering why she looks more "aged" than what I remember her being.
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Yes, when Shelton Benjamin first went to RAW. :p


Anyways, I didn't mind the HHH owning everyone...I just hated his monologue. He's trying to be a comedian but it just doesn't work from him. He's trying to say funny shit like ROCK or dare I say Cena so that he can be as legendary as say Rock or Austin but it's just not working well. And his jokes were all just so bad.

And I HATE the Hornswoggle thing for a couple of reasons. First, because the bastard child storyline was actually interesting and could have lasted for a long time if they had been able to go with an ACTUAL superstar like Kennedy. But since they were forced to do the Hornswoggle thing, it just ruins that storyline. Now it's a joke, and not even a funny one. The other reason I hate it is that Horn is a Smackdown character so all of his with Vince should be happening on Smackdown, not on RAW. What, are they just going to split of Finley and Hornswoggle??? That's kinda stupid IMO.


I'm thinking Candace Michelle could be the next Trish Stratus in that she's way hot AND can wrestle well. Usually, the divas are one or the other. Trish was both, now Candace (although not at Trish's skill level) is becoming both.

Good call on the Shelton thing, Kai. Triple H did do a good job of making Shelton look good, it just would have been nice to see WWE follow up on the job Triple H did there.

I agree about the Triple H humor thing. He just doesn't have the instinct for it that Rock or Austin did, and I really can't remember the last time he made a joke that didn't have something to do with a penis. All irritation with the way Triple H is booked aside, the fact is, he's still one hell of a talent, and easily one of the best in-ring performers WWE has ever had. There's no reason for him to pretend to be something he's not.

I can understand where you're coming from with Hornswoggle, but here's my view of it. Yes, originally it was going to be a big, legit push for Kennedy, but there's one issue with that. In recent memory, any time Vince has been involved in a storyline, he has been the centerpiece of it and done a good job of making sure the focus is on him. So...would Kennedy have gotten a push from it? Yes, technically, but ultimately I don't know if it would have done him much good as he probably would have become just a background player in his own major push. That, of course, is all speculation, but I think the last couple years of Vince McMahon storylines will back me up on that. Now that it's just a comedy bit, we're at least getting some amusing segments out of it (at least until Triple H comes out). On top of that...here is my official prediction: I think as soon as Kennedy comes back, it's gonna turn out Hornswoggle did some sort of leprechauny mischief to the DNA tests to just make it look like he was the son, and Kennedy is still gonna get his big push. And by the way, if that storyline does play out, I will be very happy if I have to eat my own words and Vince doesn't wind up dominating the Kennedy push.

Candice...well...I have a TON of respect for how much of an effort she has put in to improve, and it has definitely been a noticable difference, but I don't think there's much chance in her turning into the next Trish Stratus. Honestly, I think Trish was one of those really rare, special performers that helped elevate the women's division into something really legitimate for a few years, almost in spite of WWE. I don't think Candice has that special "it" factor that Trish had, nor do I think she connects with the crowd on the same level. But again, Candice deserves serious credit for the work she's doing.

And to Raj...I absolutely understand where you're coming from on the Triple H thing. It's all about different perspectives on wrestling, and I really do think it's awesome that you just watch and enjoy. I just can't help but rant about Triple H, because what's going on is such a perfect example of what I was dreading we would see upon his return.
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HHH is trying to be DX all by himself. It doesn't work.


Instead of Hornswoggle swapping the DNA, isn't it more likely that it was HHH who swapped it just to fuck with Vince?

As for Kennedy not getting his push....I still think it would help him to be the son. He gets hurt ALOT. If he was shown to be the new McMahon, it would be alot harder for WWE to fire him later down the road.

Or it could eventually lead to Kennedy turning into a good guy (he was almost there after Edge screwed him), then he could have awesome matches against his evil family. Shane vs Mr. Kennedy would be awesome.
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HHH is trying to be DX all by himself. It doesn't work.


Instead of Hornswoggle swapping the DNA, isn't it more likely that it was HHH who swapped it just to fuck with Vince?

As for Kennedy not getting his push....I still think it would help him to be the son. He gets hurt ALOT. If he was shown to be the new McMahon, it would be alot harder for WWE to fire him later down the road.

Or it could eventually lead to Kennedy turning into a good guy (he was almost there after Edge screwed him), then he could have awesome matches against his evil family. Shane vs Mr. Kennedy would be awesome.

Having Triple H be the one who swapped the DNA would work, too.

I didn't mean to say Kennedy being Vince's son wouldn't wind up being the biggest push of his career, I just meant that he would be a background player in the biggest push of his career. Same thing happened with Chris Jericho back when he won the Undisputed Title...biggest push he ever got, but he was just a bit player in the Stephanie/Triple H story.

And in completely unrelated news...Marcus Cor Von has been released. It'll be interesting to see if he finds his way back to TNA now.
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Anyone wanna tell me what's up with Carlito?
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You mean why he gets booked the way he does? Here's the tale (in the short-ish version...but keep in mind, this is long-winded GLT telling the story).

Carlito was brought in towards the beginning of WWE's current obsession with the history of the business (which, by the way, I absolutely love), with the intention of making him one of their main event stars. However, a lot of his character is his real personality. Not that he's an ass or anything, but the really aloof, not taking anything seriously aspect of it is very much who he actually is. As a result, WWE feels that he hasn't taken his role seriously enough, which is why a few months ago we got the complete and utter depush of the character, as well as the work-shoot storyline he had with Ric Flair. He then made the really, really stupid mistake of publicly badmouthing the company on WrestleMania weekend ("badmouthing" may be overstating it, but he made some sarcastic comments about how he wasn't on the show). That just got him further shoved down the card. With the recent suspensions, though, they've pushed him back up the card to fill some empty spots. Judging by the way this push has gone, though, I'd venture a guess that he's still in hot water with the company, and once all the suspended folks are back, Carlito is gonna find himself back where he was not too long ago. Hopefully I'm wrong, though...he's a talented, charismatic guy, and I'd like to see what he can do with a good push.
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I can understand where you're coming from with Hornswoggle, but here's my view of it. Yes, originally it was going to be a big, legit push for Kennedy, but there's one issue with that. In recent memory, any time Vince has been involved in a storyline, he has been the centerpiece of it and done a good job of making sure the focus is on him. So...would Kennedy have gotten a push from it? Yes, technically, but ultimately I don't know if it would have done him much good as he probably would have become just a background player in his own major push. That, of course, is all speculation, but I think the last couple years of Vince McMahon storylines will back me up on that. Now that it's just a comedy bit, we're at least getting some amusing segments out of it (at least until Triple H comes out). On top of that...here is my official prediction: I think as soon as Kennedy comes back, it's gonna turn out Hornswoggle did some sort of leprechauny mischief to the DNA tests to just make it look like he was the son, and Kennedy is still gonna get his big push. And by the way, if that storyline does play out, I will be very happy if I have to eat my own words and Vince doesn't wind up dominating the Kennedy push.


We had this discussion on the Red vs Blue forum and it pretty much ended up with this as the end verdict on that idea.

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Uh, yeah, no that would totally fail, like it has up to this point already.

This is the highpoint of the angle, at least as high as it's going to get. It's all a direct 90 degree plumet off a cliff from here. Saying "OH, IT'S REALLY KENNEDY! IT REALLY IS!" after his suspension is up will do nothing. Fans will give even less a shit than they do now in 30 days, which by then would only be a hinderance on Jesus Kennedy to tack him onto it.

The purpose isn't to try and help/save the storylines, the purpose should be to help the wrestlers. If there were any sort of smart, they would WCW this angle within the next two weeks and move on to the next idiotic piece of tripe.

It's killed already, though. Having one payoff (the midget), then just out of the blue toss out another payoff with much less build up (Bait-switch Kennedy), would only serve to put a doomed and retarded angle on life support while in a coma, and hurt Kennedy in the process for being a part of it. I mean, what, is he going to feud with Hornswaggle?

People would be too busy laughing at the midget getting beat up. I sure would.

If they went through with Ken as the kid, sure, the story helps Ken with a push. That's fucked now, though, and you will not get the same results by just turning around and retroactively shoving Kennedy back into the spot you should've had him in the first place. In fact, it's simply ridiculous at this point to throw him in with the whole thing that involves Vince's loins and a leprechaun.

Best way to push him now is to keep him far, far away from what this thing has become.

So that's that....

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Candice...well...I have a TON of respect for how much of an effort she has put in to improve, and it has definitely been a noticable difference, but I don't think there's much chance in her turning into the next Trish Stratus. Honestly, I think Trish was one of those really rare, special performers that helped elevate the women's division into something really legitimate for a few years, almost in spite of WWE. I don't think Candice has that special "it" factor that Trish had, nor do I think she connects with the crowd on the same level. But again, Candice deserves serious credit for the work she's doing.


Candice has definatly improved that is for sure... being the next Trish Stratus I agree with you GLT not gonna happen... maybe Beth Phoenix because she has MAD GOOD wrestling ability. Here and Mickie would be awesome to watch and I agree throw Victoria into the mix and we have a mad good card for a show! Beth could be the next Trish...

I wanted to see HHH back and I wanna see him with Michaels again and I wanna see them get the tag titles back and I wanna see DX for a bit longer... then give Michaels the WWE Championship (and for fuck sake get it off Cena already...) for a run for a 5 or 6 months then retire him..... have him loose it to Trips in an match and they they shake hands at the end, embrace and Michaels retires... now THAT would be a good ending to a great career...
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