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Janeway was a horrible captain!
Topic Started: Mar 19 2006, 04:21 PM (1,578 Views)
Captain_Windu
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She was engaged to a man for Q's sake! :angry:
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fleshandblood
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haha i had forgotten that. but YES exacly... and when she found out he had moved on she was horrably upset. sure she had had her flings too but she was 75 years from home. and i thought of another example- she falls for the inspector in counterpoint... not obviouscly but he did grow on her
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captainvictoria
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But she always kept her wits about her, even fallling for the inspector guy.
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Captain_Windu
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Let's look at Janeway's love interests:

Chakotay. Sure they never acted on it. But the tension was there.

Mark. She got thrown into the DQ, but still kept his picture out.

Khashyk. The Devore Inspector.

Michael Sullivan. The 'boyfriend who malfunctions'.
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Lynx
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I strongly disagree in the first case.

Janeway did an honorable act when she decided to destroy the array to protect the Ocampa.

As she said to Tuvok: "We didn't want to be involved, but we are."

Voyager got involved when the Caretaker brought them to the Delta Quadrant. It started a chain of events which lead up to the Kazon colliding with the array, thus preventing the Caretaker from destroying the array when he was close to death.

Janeway and Tuvok could have started the program which would send Voyager home but in that case, the Kazon would have taken over the array and got access to the planet. Then they would have annihilated the Ocampa. Besides that, the Kazon could have stopped the program which could have sent Voyager home so Voyager would have been stranded in the Delta Quadrant anyway.

No, Janeway did the right thing and should be honored for that.

But in the case with forming an alliance with The Borg to attack Species 8472? Well, I can understand if she saw Species 8472 (oh dear I never remember those digits) as a bigger threat for the moment but it could have been wiser to let the Species 8472 finish off the Borg, who knows.

But it was a hard decision to make.

The one thing Janeway did wrong and which she could have been court-martialed for wasto give a potential enemy (a Borg) access to the brig and other important areas of the ship and to make that Borg some sort of senior staff member.

If I had been in charge, a certain Borg should have been placed in the brig for the rest of the journey.
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IcyFrost
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Mar 24 2006, 02:12 PM
I strongly disagree in the first case.

Janeway did an honorable act when she decided to destroy the array to protect the Ocampa.

As she said to Tuvok: "We didn't want to be involved, but we are."

Voyager got involved when the Caretaker brought them to the Delta Quadrant. It started a chain of events which lead up to the Kazon colliding with the array, thus preventing the Caretaker from destroying the array when he was close to death.

Janeway and Tuvok could have started the program which would send Voyager home but in that case, the Kazon would have taken over the array and got access to the planet. Then they would have annihilated the Ocampa. Besides that, the Kazon could have stopped the program which could have sent Voyager home so Voyager would have been stranded in the Delta Quadrant anyway.

No, Janeway did the right thing and should be honored for that.

But in the case with forming an alliance with The Borg to attack Species 8472? Well, I can understand if she saw Species 8472 (oh dear I never remember those digits) as a bigger threat for the moment but it could have been wiser to let the Species 8472 finish off the Borg, who knows.

But it was a hard decision to make.

The one thing Janeway did wrong and which she could have been court-martialed for wasto give a potential enemy (a Borg) access to the brig and other important areas of the ship and to make that Borg some sort of senior staff member.

If I had been in charge, a certain Borg should have been placed in the brig for the rest of the journey.

I agree. I don't see why you'd think captain Janeway was a horrible captain. All of her decisions were justified, and the first one left her feeling guilty throughout the entire trip.
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TiberiusK
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IcyFrost
Mar 29 2006, 08:01 PM
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Mar 24 2006, 02:12 PM
I strongly disagree in the first case.

Janeway did an honorable act when she decided to destroy the array to protect the Ocampa.

As she said to Tuvok: "We didn't want to be involved, but we are."

Voyager got involved when the Caretaker brought them to the Delta Quadrant. It started a chain of events which lead up to the Kazon colliding with the array, thus preventing the Caretaker from destroying the array when he was close to death.

Janeway and Tuvok could have started the program which would send Voyager home but in that case, the Kazon would have taken over the array and got access to the planet. Then they would have annihilated the Ocampa. Besides that, the Kazon could have stopped the program which could have sent Voyager home so Voyager would have been stranded in the Delta Quadrant anyway.

No, Janeway did the right thing and should be honored for that.

But in the case with forming an alliance with The Borg to attack Species 8472? Well, I can understand if she saw Species 8472 (oh dear I never remember those digits) as a bigger threat for the moment but it could have been wiser to let the Species 8472 finish off the Borg, who knows.

But it was a hard decision to make.

The one thing Janeway did wrong and which she could have been court-martialed for wasto give a potential enemy (a Borg) access to the brig and other important areas of the ship and to make that Borg some sort of senior staff member.

If I had been in charge, a certain Borg should have been placed in the brig for the rest of the journey.

I agree. I don't see why you'd think captain Janeway was a horrible captain. All of her decisions were justified, and the first one left her feeling guilty throughout the entire trip.

Wouldn't you say that means she was unsure of herself? Captains don't feel guilty for good command decisions.
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IcyFrost
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It just shows that she's human like the rest of us (mostly). Janeway had to be a strong captain otherwise the ship wouldn't have lasted as long as it did.
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Lynx
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TiberiusK
Mar 30 2006, 01:18 AM
IcyFrost
Mar 29 2006, 08:01 PM
Lynx
Mar 24 2006, 02:12 PM
I strongly disagree in the first case.

Janeway did an honorable act when she decided to destroy the array to protect the Ocampa.

As she said to Tuvok: "We didn't want to be involved, but we are."

Voyager got involved when the Caretaker brought them to the Delta Quadrant. It started a chain of events which lead up to the Kazon colliding with the array, thus preventing the Caretaker from destroying the array when he was close to death.

Janeway and Tuvok could have started the program which would send Voyager home but in that case, the Kazon would have taken over the array and got access to the planet. Then they would have annihilated the Ocampa. Besides that, the Kazon could have stopped the program which could have sent Voyager home so Voyager would have been stranded in the Delta Quadrant anyway.

No, Janeway did the right thing and should be honored for that.

But in the case with forming an alliance with The Borg to attack Species 8472? Well, I can understand if she saw Species 8472 (oh dear I never remember those digits) as a bigger threat for the moment but it could have been wiser to let the Species 8472 finish off the Borg, who knows.

But it was a hard decision to make.

The one thing Janeway did wrong and which she could have been court-martialed for wasto give a potential enemy (a Borg) access to the brig and other important areas of the ship and to make that Borg some sort of senior staff member.

If I had been in charge, a certain Borg should have been placed in the brig for the rest of the journey.

I agree. I don't see why you'd think captain Janeway was a horrible captain. All of her decisions were justified, and the first one left her feeling guilty throughout the entire trip.

Wouldn't you say that means she was unsure of herself? Captains don't feel guilty for good command decisions.

No, I don't find her more unsure of herself than what the other Star Trek captains are.
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I think Janeway is a great Captain, my favorite one, too. She was human, courageous, strong-willed, passionate and caring. Her crew was her family and I think she always had their best interests at heart. One could argue now, if so, why strand the crew in the DQ in the first place? I think at that time the Prime Directive was the driving force for all her actions, but after a while in the DQ she realised, that she has to bend the rules a little to survive, protect her crew / family and find a way home. I don't think that is a contradiction. :friends:
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