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Duke Rape Case; Is the victim lying?
Topic Started: Apr 11 2006, 08:41 PM (1,216 Views)
Alexa_4
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TiberiusK
Apr 17 2006, 08:54 AM
But DNA is still left behind even with condoms.

The found male dna on her, but it didn't match any of the accused.

The male dna is most likely her boyfriend's.
Pubic hair can be left behind, but maybe the guys shave. :D
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CochranSr
Apr 17 2006, 12:09 AM
Still man,she was raped,why on earth would she stick the finger at the wrong guys deliberately?

Thats the point isnt it. We DONT KNOW if she was really raped. Thats for a jury to decide. I hate how people have already come down on one side or the other on this and no one has sat through a tiral and seen all the evidence.

Hasn't anyone heard of freaky deaky rough sex?

Hasn't anyone heard of cleaning up a crime scene?
 
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Alexa_4
Apr 17 2006, 08:02 AM
TiberiusK
Apr 17 2006, 08:54 AM
But DNA is still left behind even with condoms.

The found male dna on her, but it didn't match any of the accused.

The male dna is most likely her boyfriend's.
Pubic hair can be left behind, but maybe the guys shave. :D

Are you sure..how do you know. Even if it was they would have ruled this out already and we all would have heard about it.
 
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Apr 11 2006, 10:41 PM
A young black women went to a party near Duke University. She was a college student, single mother, and exotic dancer. She claims that, at the party, many members of the La Crosse team brutally gang-raped her. A doctor's examination confirmed damage to the vaginal and anal areas, consistent with her story. Yet, DNA results came back not matching any of the accused.

Do you thinks she is telling the truth or lying?

Is any of this about race?

this is definately not a race issue. the case is being tried just like any other rape case. on "the abrahms report" last week there was a clip of the "community reaction" to the case. most people were saying that the police should have arrested the accused lacrosse players. what these people don't realize is that if you make a false arrest, the entire case can be thrown out, or if it goes through and the prosecution wins (which in this case is unlikely considering that the illeged victim has changed her story at least twice and there is no dna evidence), the defence can move for a mistrial. anyway, my main point is that this that this woman is not being treated unfairly becuase of her race or occupation.

as far as whether or not she is telling the truth...i can't say for sure, but as i previously mentioned, she has changed her storie a few times, and even if she just started remembering facts (which is entirely plausible after a tramatic event), alleged victims who change their stories generally get ripped apart by the defence, and rarely win trials.
[size=1]"there is no reality, only perception"[/size]
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Check the news everyone, two of the Duke boys are in trouble for it now.
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Apr 17 2006, 08:39 PM
Check the news everyone, two of the Duke boys are in trouble for it now.

Bo and Luke in trouble?
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Come on, use your heads! An indictment does not mean guilt. All it means is that there is enough evidence to go to trial. The standards for an indictmen are much lower than for an actual trial. I wish we could please reserver our judgements, one way or the other, untill after you have seen all the evidence or ideally after the jury hands down a verdict.

No matter what though this girls and the boys lives are ruined forever.
 
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Apr 18 2006, 02:05 AM
Come on, use your heads! An indictment does not mean guilt. All it means is that there is enough evidence to go to trial. The standards for an indictmen are much lower than for an actual trial. I wish we could please reserver our judgements, one way or the other, untill after you have seen all the evidence or ideally after the jury hands down a verdict.

No matter what though this girls and the boys lives are ruined forever.

Apparently not the girls since Jesse Jackson is going to give her money even if she made up lies about a bunch of white guys.

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Jackson he has yet to speak with the woman, but said his group pledged to pay for her tuition even if her story proves false.

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If she is lying, will the DA have the guts to prosecute her for the amount of time the guys would get if they raped her?



Since there are some here who are explaining away the lack of DNA evidence, I would like to hear the explanation of why people reported she arrived at the party with her physical injuries.
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I agree John, however, with all the press from this case, I'm sure the cops had a good reason to indite [sp] these dudes.

And they damn well better have the evidence to prove it.
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Updated: 09:35 PM EDT
[size=7]Two Lacrosse Players Indicted in Duke Rape Case[/size]
Defense Attorney Says the Unnamed Athletes Are Innocent
By TIM WHITMIRE, AP

DURHAM, N.C. (April 17) - A grand jury issued sealed indictments Monday against two members of the Duke University lacrosse team in connection with allegations that a stripper was raped last month at a team party, a defense attorney said.



"Today, two young men have been charged with crimes they did not commit," attorney Robert Ekstrand said in a statement. "This is a tragedy. For the two young men, an ordeal lies ahead. ... They are both innocent."

Ekstrand, who represents dozens of players, did not say which players were indicted or what charges they faced.

The grand jury adjourned around 2 p.m. Monday, handing up indictments a short time later to Superior Court Judge Ronald Stephens. A filing at the courthouse said the judge had sealed at least one indictment, citing a state law that allows an indictment to be "kept secret until the defendant is arrested or appears before the court."

A 27-year-old black woman told police she was attacked March 13 by three white men in a bathroom at a party held by the lacrosse team.

The racially charged allegations have led to near daily protest rallies. The school canceled the highly ranked team's season and accepted the resignation of coach Mike Pressler after the release of a vulgar and graphic e-mail that was sent by a team member shortly after the alleged assault.

An attorney for Ryan McFadyen, the player who sent the e-mail, said his client was not among those indicted.

"I've heard there were two sealed indictments returned," Glen Bachman said, declining to say who told him about the indictments. "Nobody's called me specifically and said you need to have your client here in the morning. I think you guys will know what you need to know" on Tuesday.

Butch Williams, who represents team captain Dan Flannery, also said prosecutors told him that his client was not among those charged.

Defense attorneys have urged District Attorney Mike Nifong to drop the case, saying DNA tests failed to connect any of the 46 team members tested to the alleged victim.

Nifong has said 75 percent to 80 percent of rape prosecutions lack DNA evidence. According to court records, a medical examination of the woman found injuries consistent with rape.



There were numerous conferences involving defense lawyers and members of the district attorney's office in hallways of the courthouse Monday morning. At several points during the day, Nifong declined to comment when asked about the case.

At Duke, the university's chief spokesman said the school knew little about what had taken place in court.

"We are aware that the district attorney made a presentation to the grand jury today, but we have no knowledge about the contents of his presentation," said John F. Burness, senior vice president for public affairs and government relations.
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