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| Root Admin | Jan 30 2008, 12:28 PM Post #21 |
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LOL, and you know Bones would have TOTALLY done that. "Listen here you green blooded Vulcan ........... if it wasn't for us irrational, illogical humans, you'd all be curled up in your momma's laps crying your pointed ears off!" |
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| Root Admin | Jan 30 2008, 12:40 PM Post #22 |
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Okay, so I just talked to my mom and she reminded me that the Federation wasn't around during Enterprise so this movie is basically the beginning of the Federation and the Enterprise being constructed in the trailer is the first Federation Starship Enterprise, which makes more sense to me now. |
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| GCE-1701-D | Jan 30 2008, 07:54 PM Post #23 |
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I've been hanging out at the movie board on st.com lately (since the people there seem to be able to find all the interviews and chat transcripts and put them up quite quickly) and from the last few things I've seen it's starting to look like we're in for a major reboot/reimagining/throw canon out the airlock type thing there was a chat questioner who asked if the production crew wants everyone to just shut up and stop complaining about canon since reboot is the direction the studio's taking, and Orci replied saying that it was actually their idea and the Studio just oked it.. but one then has to speculate if he was acknowledging it's a reboot, or just that he's saying the direction of the film was all their idea not a studio requirement and the set designer said most fans will "Freak out" when they see the interior of the enterprise because only the outside of the ship had to be recognizable as the TOS Enterprise (I'll use as an example of a Freak out the corridor image at the fake construction webcam site,... the one that looks more like a BSG or Klingon corridor than a starfleet one) and there are others, so who knows what will really happen all I know is the movie forum is SCARY it's been split into two groups, the fans who fear the last 40 years are about to be jettisoned, and the fans who welcome a BSG style restart
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| Almighty | Jan 30 2008, 08:01 PM Post #24 |
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Give that Roo a beer
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It's because of the jeckle and hyde nature of the ST.COM movies board that i dont go there anymore . I prefer to get my info from trekmovie.com as many of the posters there are quite level headed . As for the corridor shown on the under construction website , if you were to view TMP (as i did just the other day) you'll see that it looks quite similar . I've never believed that any type of reboot or reimageing "throws away" 40 years but actually respects and ensures another 40 I really believe that there was no where else to go but back to the beginning . |
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| GCE-1701-D | Jan 30 2008, 08:12 PM Post #25 |
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why? why is the only option to go where we already went before? that the point that I and many others have, Trek isn't a usual show, where it has story that has to play out, it's a very open ended premise, it doesn't have an end, so why act like there is one? when you need a new start you just pull a TNG and set it far enough in the future again that everyone from before is already dead and a new generation is starting their own adventure reboots, prequels, etc.. are all the safe options ones that don't require much creativity, because hey the structure is already there for you, you just recast everything and redo it all over again I have a hard time believing that the people who think that Trek has no where to go but to start all over again from scratch really understand the franchise |
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| Almighty | Jan 30 2008, 08:20 PM Post #26 |
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It's because TNG has already been done *slaps forehead in frustration* If i saw plans for Star Trek set in the 25th or 26th century i'd probably give up now and never watch it again . Starting again has never been tried before TNG has . Any series after TNG has been less than what came before I really liked the direction of DS9 , but it was not as popular as TNG VOY was doomed after they made it too much like TNG lite ENT was even more so So if we go to TNNG on the enterprise g or something similar we just get the same reguritated plots from TNG VOY and ENT all over again . Nahhh Go back to where it all began and start a new legacy. |
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| GCE-1701-D | Jan 30 2008, 08:54 PM Post #27 |
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we did that... ENT remember? everyone hated it, it was supposed to do exactly what a reboot would, just without calling it a reboot Trek isn't about TOS, it's not about TNG, it's not about DS9, it's a great tool to tell stories, at it's best it deals with the real world using alien cultures or events in place of the real ones, it doesn't matter WHAT time frame you set it in, the point is that isn't recognized anymore it seems, and B&B got Burnout on VOY and so ENT was doomed from the start since they really didn't have any ideas left anymore The point is that there wont be a new TOS on TV, IF they were to use the reboot movie storyline as a starting point they could just as soon start it post TNG era, a restart isn't needed because the premise is unending, how is setting it in the future bad? people will say it's all been done before? they'll just say that about a new rebooted continutity just like they did about ENT, restarting isn't a way around this, it just will bring all the same arguments that ENT got, the ONLY way to totally start over is to change so many things that it's not even the same show, in which case why bother? just let Trek die, we have 40 years worth, that's better than a Trek restart that isn't even Trek |
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| Almighty | Jan 30 2008, 09:14 PM Post #28 |
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All arguments i've heard before , about 20 years before . THe difference this time is that we have about 15 years of neglect of the franchise Or maybe not neglect but overuse . We did'nt really need 2 series on at the same time as they just split the fanbase in two and eroded the casual fan base by saturating the market Trek got reputation for being for nerds that cared more about cannon than story That cared more about how many phaser banks on the ENT C than how Kirk felt about Spock and Bones relationship I've heard way more positive comments on sites other than ST.COM about TrekXI More people actually excited about trek than fighting about bullshite little bits of uninteresting technobable that is not Trek Go look at the really popular Trek movies before the TNG cast and they had very little technobable As a matter of fact there's more in TMP than every movie after it up until FC But . I'm just as bad as those that fight against TrekXI I can accept the new ,but my argument for it is just as baseless as the argument against it . 11 more months till the end of all this speculation when the final credits roll and the internet discussion starts and the critics give the verdict on Dec25th then we'll see whats what |
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| GCE-1701-D | Jan 30 2008, 11:02 PM Post #29 |
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I don't think it's that people want technobabble, it's just that they don't trust JJ, and they use the rumors of Reboots and radical set changes to explain why their faith in his team as been shaken if anything you have to admit that Trek has possibly the most passionate fans, who really care about the show , that's why people don't want everything rebooted, because they worry it might not come back the same, but worse or very watered down because the new person in charge might not "get" it keep in mind this isn't all my arguement, but also a combination of all the arguements by the segment of the fans who are now quite worried about the new movie, I myself have consigned myself to the fact that whatever happens happens as long as CBS doesn't go prequel or reboot when they finally decide to relaunch a TV version I don't really mind if this movie does something radically different |
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| Almighty | Jan 30 2008, 11:12 PM Post #30 |
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I see a lot more people positive about JJ I think it's because i dont hang out much at ST.COM anymore Waaaaayyy too much negativity there |
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