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the Design of the New Enterprise; does it fit?
Topic Started: Nov 19 2008, 04:21 PM (561 Views)
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at Kai's suggestion, I figure I'll throw together a few threads about what we know about the new movie so far, if it's spoiler-y I'll warn you, but we're all friends, so why not have some friendly discussion about it?

first up? the new Enterprise

it's quite obvious that this: Posted Image

isn't going to look less hightech than this : Posted Image

but it does have the saucer of, and a similar deflector dish to, This: Posted Image

so one could kind of see how maybe it could be refitted to become the movie version

but then there's also the conflict with the fact that it's being built on earth
now naturally there's been debate over the years as to if the Enterprise was built on earth in san francisco, or in orbit at the San Francisco fleet yards, or possibly part planet side, part in orbit
we know that the NX was built in space, establishing that Starfleet indeed builds vessels in space entirely, we know that the Refit took place at the San Francisco fleet yards, as did the Excelsior's construction
Voyager is shown in dry dock at the Utopia Planitia fleet yards in orbit around Mars, along with several other ships, some in various stages of construction
in the TNG Ep Booby trap we see completed space frame with partial final construction of the inside docked inside the Utopia Planitia Propulsion design lab in orbit around Mars
so there is much evidence that atlmost most of the construction takes place in space

yet in this new movie we see the Enterprise being constructed... in Iowa? (or somewhere with nothing but fields stretching for miles and miles, something San Francisco certainly doesn't have :lol: ) which is certainly a change
it raises several questions, why would Starfleet go from building the NX class and it's successors in space, to building the Constitutions on earth? to only then build ships back in space again
there's also the fact that reguardless of if you CAN get it out of the Earth's atmosphere due to it's non aerodynamic shapes considerable stress will be put on the ship durring exit
we see from (is it Tomorrow is Yesterday?) The TOS Ep where the Enterprise goes back in time and falls into the upper levels of Earths atmosphere that it's no walk in the park for the Constitutions to enter the earth's atmosphere, so wouldn't it be ineffecient to build a new ship only to then mildly damage part of it possibly to get it out into space, thus requiring more touch up before it's ready to launch?

we've also gotten the suggestion from the writers that a intense gravity well is required to balanced Warp Nacelles.... which could provide some non understanding of how they work, considering that the coils could certainly be build on a plant, why not right? but the Nacelles simply house the coils and the conduits to enable warp speed, we also know that the Enterprise's refit took place in space, part of that refit included new Nacelles, this wasn't done on earth or in a gravity well, does that mean they're unbalanced?
we also know that Warping near a planet is a bad idea, and not done, in many cases in the series' we see them warp into the outer edge of a system, and then travel to the planet on full impulse, or fly towards the outer edge of the system at impulse before engaging Warp drive
there's also possible evidence to suggest that gravity wells and warp fields don't mix very well and will destablize the warp field
again, further confusing the issue of why supposedly according to the writers you need to build the ship on a planet for the nacelles sake

Honestly I'm sure the whole point is simply to make for a powerful scene of Kirk driving up to the construction and seeing the ship being built, create some foreshadowing, etc...

as for the design its self, purely on a visual note and not considering "canon" right now, it looks slighty off, I blame the secondary/engineering hull, it's half the size almost of the original Constitution design, and the Neck support is moved back close to half way leading to the deflector dish sticking out really far, the nacelles also end up having to be placed at the very back of hull, and the struts sweep forward ever so slightly creating a kind of compacted look
but if the idea was to blend the original show and refit looks, it's mostly successful

now, lets discuss.. or not, whatever
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my opinion is that it looks close enough. they don't need it to look exact. Just like Nimoy and Quinto don't look exact. None of the actors do...the looks are close enough that it doesn't effect the story or canon IMO.
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I kind of like it... It does look a lot more well, real, however its also looks a little bit picasso'd and a bit to different to be comfortable. I think my main problem is the nacelles. They look really fat for the rest of the ship. and the neck is in the wrong place. It does the job though and its still recognisable at the Enterprise so i guess its not too bad.
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OOooo, I should totally put some shots of the corridors and bridge and quarters in here from the trailer shouldn't I :o
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I have no problem with the design at all. It is recognizable as the enterprise by the shape. That always was and always will be what made trek immediately recognizable. I also have no problem with it looking higher tec then tng. This isn't one of the series. It doesn't have to connect to them in style other than to be recognizable in my mind. In fact I think it would have been against the very genre of science fiction to try to make something look less advanced.


as for it being built on the ground or in space, that would be one of those minute details in canon I couldn't give two hoots about.
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:lol: and just think it was only a few years ago folks were bellyaching that the NX 01 didnt look right for its era. I wonder what they are saying now :lol: My take, one its ugly. Two, i dont see how it can be seen as a predicesor to what we saw in TOS. The corridors have a TMP look, again wierd how this version is supposed to be before TOS let alone TMP. The bridge, dont get me started :hedo:
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Also, did anyone notice the camera angles used in the trailer? :wtf:
(I certainly did since I was going frame by frame looking for suitable banner screen caps)
almost every scene of the bridge, and the running through the corridor snippit all have the camera tilted sideways, I felt like I was watching 60s Batman and we were in the villains lair, if they have wacky camera angles durring action scenes I'm going to hit someone, you shouldn't go to an action movie and come out feeling like you've just been put through a motion simulator ride :crazy:
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I like it more since i've seen the different angles of the shit

It looks shithouse in the pic you have there , but from front on and from behind it looks great
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Nov 19 2008, 05:41 PM
my opinion is that it looks close enough. they don't need it to look exact. Just like Nimoy and Quinto don't look exact. None of the actors do...the looks are close enough that it doesn't effect the story or canon IMO.

:yes: Agreed. Some can even call it, "JJ Abrams' vision of Star Trek."
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AdmiralGummy
Nov 20 2008, 08:11 AM
Kobra Kai
Nov 19 2008, 05:41 PM
my opinion is that it looks close enough.  they don't need it to look exact.  Just like Nimoy and Quinto don't look exact.  None of the actors do...the looks are close enough that it doesn't effect the story or canon IMO.

:yes: Agreed. Some can even call it, "JJ Abrams' vision of Star Trek."

You know I heard that that is what people were calling it :p




Anyhoo, I do like it on the most part but i have noticed, there doesn't seem to be as much text on it as previous incarnations. E.g. no registry number, or ship name... Could it be because the ship if fresh and unpolished when they take it for a spin in the movie, or just a change of direction?
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