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Automakers to get 13.4 billion
Topic Started: Dec 19 2008, 05:07 PM (812 Views)
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Give that Roo a beer

Recalls are a good thing , at least it prooves the maker is doing something about a problem before it happens

Remember that the majority of recalls come from testing done by the manufacturer to find faults that most people wouldn't even see.

They could try and sweep it under the carpet and fix it on the quiet with the next service , or recall.

As far as what moonie was saying i 100% agree , but they also need to move quicker to respond to market trends.

The autoworkers union seems to be the biggest hurdle for the big three

fix that and everything else will fall into place
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What about Australian car makers ?
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Hedo
Dec 20 2008, 10:46 AM
What about Australian car makers ?

We have three here

Ford


Holden (originally aussie , now part of GM)


Toyota

Ford and Holden both make unigue Australian vehicles Toyota makes the Camry and Avalon here but they are identical to those sold in other world markets.


Holden exports the Aussie designed and built Commodore to the US as a Pontiac , the Middle east as a Chevy and a Vauxhall in the UK

If GM goes beyy up then it would be difficult for Holden to go it alone , Ford would be screwed since they have virtually no export program and are bleeding red ink.

Toyota would probably just pack up and leave and just import as it would be cheaper to build the Camry in Asia than build it in Aus.

Nissan and Mitsubishi did the same over the last 20 years.

People lose jobs and families end up in the street when factories close , it's very sad
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Dec 19 2008, 04:35 PM
GCE-1701-D
Dec 19 2008, 05:21 PM
here's a novel idea, MAKE CARS PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO OWN that are reliable, and that look good, and that have decent cabin tech and a good set of standard features, THEN people will buy your cars, and you wont need to be bailed out, so you can then just keep making cars people obviously don't want or you wouldn't need to bailed out in the first place :sarcastic:

Actually, I know that there have been more recalls on foreign cars than American mades in the last 3 years, but you never hear about that.

I find it really amazing that people are up in arms over this situation and no one is going on about those f'n finance people who got everything with no conditions and they continue to use money like it's facial tissue.

You're talking about millions of people out of work if these business' fail, and it'll be domino affects in many other ways too.

The auto industry supports more middle class people in this country than any other industry, and I'm just amazed that it appears no one f'n cares about their fellow country men.

American made cars have gotten a bad rap over the years, but I know one automaker in particular has been working their asses off, mostly because I have a sibling who is in the autoindustry working on new car development and I hear about it when we all see one another at the lake in the summer.

It's wasted energy being mad at the auto industry, you should be furious at the government regulators for not protecting the financial aspect of this country, you should be furious at the greed of the people who are already rich enough, and you should be pissed for all the seniors who lost tens of thousands of dollars through all of this.

Get real people.

that's how the free market works though, I hate people losing their jobs as much as the next person, and yes it's horrible when they lose their jobs, but if the company is broken, they aren't making products people want enough to stay afloat, and if they're throwing their money in wrong places and funneling it to themselves and creating their own problem, they'll KEEP DOING IT, it's like throwing money at a black hole, it wont solve it, it will just delay the inevitable, at somepoint due to mis-managment, bad/unappealing products, or whatever reasons they're in trouble now, they will again be in a bankrupt, firing everyone situation again, just look at the banks that got bailed out, AIG got a ton of money and what did they do?
they went on a spending spree retreat that blew a zillion dollars and then came back with their hand out again
there's a reason these companies are going under, throwing them another life line isn't going to help them, banks aren't loaning right now, how do you expect people to buy their cars?
people don't really like their cars for whatever reason, what makes you think they're going to change their mind due to a bail out?

these companies have problems that require them to change or completely start over in some cases, and throwing these people money isn't going to fix it, they're going to keep being corrupt and make bad decisions that cause their companies to head to where they're laying people off again

we need to stop putting bandaids on wounds that require stitches or amputations, all it does it keep things in their current state so it takes longer for them to get bad enough that they get better
we want the old Kai! "bring sexy back, vote Classic Kai"

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Dec 19 2008, 04:43 PM

The autoworkers union seems to be the biggest hurdle for the big three

fix that and everything else will fall into place

you're very right, those unions, while on one hand are meant to get workers a fair shake, on the other hand, they cost the auto makers so much that if they weren't around it wouldn't be such a huge problem
we want the old Kai! "bring sexy back, vote Classic Kai"

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Do not exceed 2 lines on your posts
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one in 7 people in north america are employed by the auto industry in some fashion. That is a lot of people. I think what is to blame is a too powerful auto union that limits what kind of business decisions the company can make.
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