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Verdict expected in bus beheading
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Topic Started: Mar 4 2009, 12:44 PM (583 Views)
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Mar 4 2009, 12:44 PM
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Judge to deliver verdict Thursday in Greyhound bus beheading case
WINNIPEG - A judge is to decide Thursday whether a man accused of beheading a passenger on a Greyhound bus is criminally responsible.
Li's case wrapped up in a Winnipeg courtroom Wednesday morning after testimony from a psychiatrist and closing arguments from both the Crown and defence.
The psychiatrist testified that Li thought carnival worker Tim McLean was a demon and many not even have realized he was killing a human.
Lawyers for Li, who has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder, argued he cannot be held accountable for the slaying because he is mentally ill.
McLean was stabbed, beheaded and his body mutilated last summer on a bus heading to Winnipeg.
Only two psychiatrists were called as witnesses at Li's trial and both testified he suffers from schizophrenia.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090304/national/crime_bus_beheading
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Mar 4 2009, 04:35 PM
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there is absolutely no way he can be judged sane enough to be criminally responsible
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Mar 4 2009, 04:50 PM
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it should be pretty clear that he is nuts
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Mar 4 2009, 05:17 PM
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Heads will roll, I tell you.
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Mar 4 2009, 05:24 PM
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Mar 4 2009, 05:49 PM
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- Mar 4 2009, 05:24 PM
There was no way this thread could exist without it being said.
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Mar 4 2009, 07:55 PM
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There was no way this thread could exist without it being said. I second both of these above statements
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Mar 5 2009, 11:52 AM
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Greyhound bus killer found not criminally responsible Last Updated: Thursday, March 5, 2009 | 10:56 AM CT Comments241Recommend226CBC News Tim McLean, 22, was on his way home to Winnipeg when he was slain on a Greyhound bus last July 30. (Family photo)Vince Li has been found not criminally responsible in the unprovoked killing and beheading of fellow passenger Timothy McLean on a Greyhound bus last summer.
Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench Judge John Scurfield said Thursday that Li, 40, could not be found guilty of murder and is not criminally responsible for the crime because he was mentally ill at the time of the killing.
"These grotesque acts are appalling... but are suggestive of a mental disorder," the judge said.
"He did not appreciate the act he committed was wrong."
Li had pleaded not guilty to a charge of second-degree murder. Psychiatric evidence at his trial suggested he is a schizophrenic who suffered a major psychotic episode last July 30 when he stabbed McLean, 22, to death, ate some of the young victim's body parts and cut off McLean's head.
For five hours after the killing Li wandered around on the bus, from which passengers had fled onto a lonely stretch of Manitoba highway, defiling the body while an RCMP tactical team waited to subdue him.
Rather than go to prison, Li will be kept in a secure psychiatric facility, most likely in Selkirk, Man.
McLean, a carnival worker, was returning home to Winnipeg on the bus from Edmonton. Listening to his iPod while sitting in the back row of Greyhound bus 1170, he gave Li a friendly greeting as the stranger sat down beside him.
Then, around 8:30 p.m. CT, when the bus was near Portage La Prairie, Man., Li pulled a buck knife from his side and began stabbing the young man — for no apparent reason, witnesses said. Passengers fled the bus and RCMP were called as Li was barricaded inside the vehicle.
During the stabbing Li was heard to say, "get emergency." In a five-hour standoff with RCMP, Li severed McLean's head from his body, ate some body parts and stuffed other parts into plastic bags that he put in his pockets. He wandered around the bus carrying the severed head in one hand, the knife in the other. At one point he threw the severed head into the bus's stairwell.
When police finally subdued him, Li repeatedly said he was sorry but could not say what he was sorry for, officers said. He told police he had changed his name to Vince Day. And on one occasion he told police, "I'm guilty, please kill me."
In his trial this week, psychiatrists said Li was schizophrenic and suffering a major psychotic episode at the time of the frenzied killing.
Li heard voices from God telling him that McLean was an evil threat that needed to be eliminated, the psychiatrists said. Even after the killing, Li believed McLean might come back to life and threaten him. The psychiatrists testified Li fit the criteria as someone who was not criminally responsible for their actions due to mental illness.
That means he will be sent to a provincial psychiatric facility rather than to prison. He comes under the jurisdiction of Manitoba's provincial review board, which will decide whether he poses a risk to the public. The review board has the power to keep Li locked up indefinitely or, if he is no longer considered a risk, discharge him.
McLean's family had been lobbying for a change in the Criminal Code to prevent mentally ill killers from being released back into the community. His mother, Carol de Delley, has said that regardless of the verdict, she would do everything in her power to ensure Li is never released from secure custody.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2009/03/05/mb-li-verdict.html?ref=rss
they were talking on the radio this morning like this was some huge controversy. Seriously, he obviously isn't sane.
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Mar 5 2009, 02:30 PM
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So, he's going to the nuthouse. Probably the best option out there for him, hopefully they can get him functioning in a mentally healthy way. It's unfortunate for everyone involved- this guy falls through the cracks and most likely was a decent guy if/when on the proper medications. The victim was taking just taking a nap on a bus trip and now his family is left without him because someone else thought he was a demon.
Sad. Imagine the grief and guilt the guy will feel if he's able to get to a functioning, lucid point.
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Mar 5 2009, 04:31 PM
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it is very sad.
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