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Panessos Constitution [ABANDONED]
Topic Started: Sep 7 2013, 08:50 PM (1,274 Views)
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Gillenor
Sep 17 2013, 07:54 AM
Naybra
Sep 16 2013, 11:23 PM
Gillenor
Sep 16 2013, 06:09 PM
Recardian
Sep 16 2013, 11:03 PM
This is what my plan would look like

This way, power is easily distributed between the people.

Well no, all we need is a Chief Justice.

I was going to have it where the Chief Judge is, well, Judge. The Jury is made up of the Senators. They vote on whether Guilty of Not, and the Chief Judge selects the punishment. This verdict shall then be enforced by the WA Delegate, Founder, Prime Minister, and Forum Admin.

Or we could have three judges...but that is a lot of people needed in Regional Government.

Dude trust me, Im a law student. You want the Courts to be as quick and efficient as possible. So make the Founder the Chief Justice, it's simple.

There is one thing I must tell you. NEVER. EVER. CALL ME DUDE. :(
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Ghant
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I would like to submit an amended version of Naybra's Constitution to the floor for consideration. Here is the link:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NL-vRLu...dit?usp=sharing

A maximum number of senators defeats the purpose of the region. The idea is that by being in Panessos, you earn a seat at the table. I don't think creating layers of members is a good idea.

Also, I believe that we should strike the Citizens rights section, and in its place add the following points, which were from my version of the constitution:

1.1. Self-determination. The general government of Panessos shall make no law or regulation governing the internal operation of any nation state within the region. Each nation state will maintain the right to govern itself in accordance with its own customs and desires.

1.2. Freedom of speech. The general government shall make no law restricting the freedom of speech within Panessos beyond those rules governing all participation and etiquette in NationStates. In keeping with the NationStates rules of etiquette, the following behaviors will constitute grounds for immediate ejection from the region and reporting to the game moderators, as determined by the Supreme Court of Panessos:

1.3. Posting of any content considering spamming, including content that is obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, defamatory, or otherwise understood to be spam. This applies to a nation's name, motto, and other customizable fields, any messages written, images posted, or any other content uploaded or linked to NationStates.

1.4. Also prohibited is the practice of "griefing." Griefing is playing with the primary aim of annoying or upsetting other people. If you do this, the game moderators may take action against you.

1.5. Attempting to steal another nation’s identity, since this is fraudulent behavior and breaches the NationStates terms & conditions. The same applies to any attempt to impersonate another player, including attempting to hack nation or region passwords.

1.6. Known member nations of invader regions and groups may be ejected at the discretion of the Founder and/or WA Delegate.

1.7. Reservation of powers. Powers not enumerated in this Constitution shall be reserved to the member Nations.
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In addition, I believe that institutionalized political parties are the doom of any democratic region, and eventually rip them apart. I think it would be best to keep that from becoming institutionalized.

Having said that, if candidates want to form blocs or whatever, then they should not be prohibited from doing so.
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Recardian
Sep 18 2013, 01:26 AM
Gillenor
Sep 17 2013, 07:54 AM
Naybra
Sep 16 2013, 11:23 PM
Gillenor
Sep 16 2013, 06:09 PM
Recardian
Sep 16 2013, 11:03 PM
This is what my plan would look like

This way, power is easily distributed between the people.

Well no, all we need is a Chief Justice.

I was going to have it where the Chief Judge is, well, Judge. The Jury is made up of the Senators. They vote on whether Guilty of Not, and the Chief Judge selects the punishment. This verdict shall then be enforced by the WA Delegate, Founder, Prime Minister, and Forum Admin.

Or we could have three judges...but that is a lot of people needed in Regional Government.

Dude trust me, Im a law student. You want the Courts to be as quick and efficient as possible. So make the Founder the Chief Justice, it's simple.

There is one thing I must tell you. NEVER. EVER. CALL ME DUDE. :(

Okay first of all, I wasnt actually talking to you when I said dude. Secondly, really? Does it honestly matter that much?
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Nerod
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Mmmmmhhhh... I disagree with you, Ghant. Remember that I said that the Constitution should be IC.
I do think that we should institutionalize political parties, or at least give them some rules in our Constitution. i.e.: Minimun N° of people to consider something a political party.
About the Senators, if everyone's going to be a Senator... Well, I haven't really made up my mind... I'll think about that.
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Gillenor
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Nerod
Sep 18 2013, 12:33 PM
Mmmmmhhhh... I disagree with you, Ghant. Remember that I said that the Constitution should be IC.
I do think that we should institutionalize political parties, or at least give them some rules in our Constitution. i.e.: Minimun N° of people to consider something a political party.
About the Senators, if everyone's going to be a Senator... Well, I haven't really made up my mind... I'll think about that.

Making it IC is an incredibly stupid idea, it allows the Panessian Government to control how people run their nations and what they can and cant RP with. If that happens me and Ghant will do everything in our power to fight this and disobey it. I'm not letting the regional government control my nation.

And Political Parties arent really a good idea because they allow an "us vs them" attitude which will only bring arguing and hate.
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Gillenor
Sep 19 2013, 11:30 AM
Nerod
Sep 18 2013, 12:33 PM
Mmmmmhhhh... I disagree with you, Ghant. Remember that I said that the Constitution should be IC.
I do think that we should institutionalize political parties, or at least give them some rules in our Constitution. i.e.: Minimun N° of people to consider something a political party.
About the Senators, if everyone's going to be a Senator... Well, I haven't really made up my mind... I'll think about that.

Making it IC is an incredibly stupid idea, it allows the Panessian Government to control how people run their nations and what they can and cant RP with. If that happens me and Ghant will do everything in our power to fight this and disobey it. I'm not letting the regional government control my nation.

And Political Parties arent really a good idea because they allow an "us vs them" attitude which will only bring arguing and hate.

This. The only IC constitution that I will ever obey is that of my own nation.

In addition, every region that has had political parties was eventually torn apart. The list is long.
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I'm against political parties. It turns people against each other, and makes everyone feel like enemies. When we hold elections, we should be able to vote on who we want to vote for, not who are party thinks we should vote for.
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I'm for political parties. Political alignment is an important part of who we are, but I don't think the parties should be MAJOR MAJOR stuff. All we really need to do is have a few subforums for our little groups and then mark the govt. positions with the person's political party, i.e "People's Union of Asasia [c]" (C standing for Communist).
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Naybra
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I've always liked big regions, having multiple ideas and invisions is a great thing. When nations can senergize, progress gets done. This is one of the reasons I'm against the password ban.

Please here me out an don't jump on the chance to shoot this down, but what if we had a Bicameral Legislature? The Senate and the Chamber of Nations. Senators are elected officials, selected by the nations of the region. The Chamber of Nations would be elected much the same way we do Senators now. The Senate proposes legislature, which is debated and approved. It then goes to the Chamber floor. Since Chamber members are the populace of the region, the people get their say in the regional government. If approved, it goes to the Prime Minister for signage. If vetoed, the Senate can override it, etc. The Senate will elect from itself a leader to oversee them, where the Prime Minister is in charge of the Chamber. This would include more people, and possibly a limit on Senators, a win-win.

The political party debate can be solved simply by placing "candidates are allowed to declare a regional political party." Therefore, those that wish to declare one are eligible, and those that don't aren't required. Again, another win-win.

I'd love to here what other people thing of this and maybe add to this idea or ignore it completely. Just know, not everyone is going to get everything they want. We have to work together for the best of everyone.
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Nerod
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I like Naybra's idea, but I think there should be a limit on the amount of senators. I agree with the rest.

Nice one, Naybra!
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Naybra
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Nerod
Sep 19 2013, 07:40 PM
I like Naybra's idea, but I think there should be a limit on the amount of senators. I agree with the rest.

Nice one, Naybra!

I'm trying to meet in the middle. I hope my suggestions can help.
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Gillenor
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Naybra
Sep 19 2013, 09:37 PM
I've always liked big regions, having multiple ideas and invisions is a great thing. When nations can senergize, progress gets done. This is one of the reasons I'm against the password ban.

Please here me out an don't jump on the chance to shoot this down, but what if we had a Bicameral Legislature? The Senate and the Chamber of Nations. Senators are elected officials, selected by the nations of the region. The Chamber of Nations would be elected much the same way we do Senators now. The Senate proposes legislature, which is debated and approved. It then goes to the Chamber floor. Since Chamber members are the populace of the region, the people get their say in the regional government. If approved, it goes to the Prime Minister for signage. If vetoed, the Senate can override it, etc. The Senate will elect from itself a leader to oversee them, where the Prime Minister is in charge of the Chamber. This would include more people, and possibly a limit on Senators, a win-win.

The political party debate can be solved simply by placing "candidates are allowed to declare a regional political party." Therefore, those that wish to declare one are eligible, and those that don't aren't required. Again, another win-win.

I'd love to here what other people thing of this and maybe add to this idea or ignore it completely. Just know, not everyone is going to get everything they want. We have to work together for the best of everyone.

Well no, that's really overcomplicating things and is unneeded. We dont have enough nations and shit wont get done. The Senate's good because anyone can join and theres enough members that its active to an extent, its not an exclusive club, it literally is the voice of the people. A chamber of nations is just not possible for a region our size, besides, the Senate's good and it gets shit done, why change that?

All we're saying is take out the IC and switch the Founder to a Judicial position.
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Imbrisian
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No, making the Founder also under a Judicial position falls under 'giving too much power to one person' and is no different to giving it to the Prime Minister, which was shot down here too. Your proposal is no different.
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Mmmmmhhh... I thought one of our goals was recruiting an expanding the region, but if our goal is to remain as a small region forever I'll start looking for a better place for my nation.
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