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Final Tribal Council; Blaine vs Lt Surge vs Sabrina
Topic Started: Sep 25 2013, 09:57 PM (1,160 Views)
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Blaine,Sep 26 2013
03:00:30 PM
Hope that helps dude :)

It does. :) I agree, Whitney's sudden removal really changed the situation for Johto as we entered the merge. Things could have been so different! Thanks.
Blaine was robbed. :P

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Janine ;_;

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now i didnt really do much to say we were tight tight tight since my pms were short. it was known we were close but i feel that it was more your doing than mine. my q 2 u is how much responsibility do u take for my end of the game? would i have lasted longer if i wasnt super close 2 u.


Honestly, even though you were targeted at that point cus we were a pair, I don't think you would've made it that far if we didn't have the alliance. Going back to the beginning of this game, I remember so many convos gong like this:

Alliance member: "So should we make an alliance?"
Me: "Yes, me you and Janine"
Alliance member: "I'm not sure about Janine, she seems kinda cray"
Me: "It's me, you and Janine, deal with it"
*1 day later
Alliance member: "You were right, I wub Janine :<3 "

So while you got into people's heart after awhile (immediately in my case), I think I helped you a lot to integrate yourself on Kanto at the beginning, and I'm not sure anyone else would've been so intent on placing you firmly in the core of the tribe.

So yes, we were targeted cus of our duo by f7, but I don't think we would've made it there without it anyways. I honestly cannot think of this game without it, so I don't regret it, but I understand if you do cus I'm sitting here and you're not.

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which breaking bad character are you most like in this game? walt and jessie are not choices because I am heisenberge and jessie is teh blowfish


This bro cus he was in your sig:

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should the americans in this game be allowed to join the australian site? I dont want them poisining it but it says lt surge is an american under his picture.


Are you insane? I'm no freaking american, we spoke austrlian all the time in PMs :rolleyes: I'm not even gonna answer that :rolleyes:

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bonus question what is your favourite color


Surge.



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Yo Pryce, lets get to it.

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So imma comment on some things you wrote before answering your question if that's ok :unsure:

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I just want to say this: This game wasn't a good indicator of my challenge strength, that particular challenge just tripped me up. I was actually feeling reasonably confident when I went into the Stadium, but in the end, I fell flat on my face. tongue.gif You were acting all cocky after that, so I wasn't too happy, but I didn't really hold my elimination against you too much.


Honestly, I was lucky it was a puzzle challenge, cus those are the ones I'm best at. I won't deny that luck plays a factor in everyone's game, and me getting a puzzle challenge at f10 was one of 'em.

About me bragging about my performance.. It was deliberate. Up until that point, the only thing to defend my qualms of being "amazing" at comps were my rants in the Tribe Camp. I kept ranking myself at the top of the challenge performer list, I kept saying it in PMs, but there was no proof. The moment I was sent in the Arena and did pretty damn well at it, I wanted to remind EVERYONE how strong I was at comps and how they did NOT want to face me in the Arena, and it worked! The very next round Bugsy targeted Janine instead of myself. The round after that Misty was scared about me beating Janine and coming back. At f6 I was sent in the Arena to DEFEAT Misty, not to go home. Do you think I'm that dumb of a player to insult you for the sake of it when you're going on the jury? lol maybe you do, but I'm not. I apologize for being an ass towards you, because out of everyone I truly had no personal reason to do that.

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Now, my question for all of you: How differently do you think the game would have turned out if Whitney and Falkner hadn't been removed? For me, Whitney's removal was certainly a blow, I suddenly had one less friend in the game.


Completely different. Had Whitney not been removed, you guys would've had a LOT more numbers coming into the merge, and I know some Kantos would've tried to flip shit cus well.. we're Kanto lol. I don't think you would've been in danger for awhile actually, except if the loyal Kantos decided they wanted someone less strong than Bugsy/Chuck in the Arena, but I think the target at the merge would've been Whitney anyways, and from there you would've slid under the radar for quite awhile.

At the same time, I think their cheating impacted the game in a way that could've been unfair to us too. From what I garnered, the moment we merged, Falkner jumped ship, which made NO sense to me, cus I felt quite close to him and he HATED Johto. Clearly he did it for Whitney, and it would've sucked. Finally, who knows if Whitney didn't actually help Falkner in his duel against Jasmine? And I know Jasmine would've been a vote on MY side, so you can say that the cheating might've screwed up my game too.



Hope that works for you, and thanks for being mature about this, which is more than I can say about my behaviour a couple of times lol. Talk soon.
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Just posting to remind you all that the deadline for jury votes is 10pm, just under four hours time. I'll be doing the reveal shortly afterwards like I did for previous Tribal Councils.
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Sabrina,Sep 26 2013
01:28:17 PM
Misty,Sep 26 2013
12:28:03 AM
Obviously the flaw in your game was that you turned a lot of people off. I think had that not been the case, truly, I think you would have had this locked.

Also this is ridiculous. If he hadn't turned people off, we would have voted him out. But he did, so we didn't. To say that if he didn't piss everyone off he'd still be in the same postion now ir just silly.

:)
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Morty,Sep 26 2013
04:56:24 AM
3. Who is hotter, Blue or Morty? (Blue wanted me to ask you this because I guess he's so insecure with his own looks? I mean, I know I'm hot but still)
4. This one, for me, is the most important. Give me a nice couple of paragraphs about why Jasmine and Clair are amazing
5. Where should I take Jasmine on our first out of game date? What should we do after the date? :o

Ok I will answer the rest of this now :P

3. Obviously Morty, I've never done anything like this with Blue


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4. I know Clair had the most amazing tast in allies! Unfortunately she never had the chance to resond to the PM I sent her while in the Arena, so I can't give an accurate paragraph about her. I can however, make one up! Clair was always the popular kid in school, and always had all the boys eating out of the palm of her hand. I guess riding your dragon to school every day has its benefits. Anyway, one day she realised how much better she was than everyone else and decided to skip town to be a Pokemon trainer and here she is today :o

Jasmine I did get to speak with, and boy did she have a way with words. I was instantly attracted to working with her as she had such charisma that I hadn't experienced with any other Johto's yet. The only problem was she was obviously going to be well liked with everyone else in the tribe too, and this posed a massive threat, especially since she and Janine had publically declared they'd work together given the chance :lol: So in the end, although she was fabulous and cruelly robbed of the merge/jury by a couple of dirty cheats, her leaving was good for my game.

5. When you take Jasmine out on a date, just show her what you do best. You already know each other quite well by now, so now it's time to show off. Take her on a haunted house tour of the city. When she gets scared, guess what she'll do. She'll run straight into your arms for you to protect her. You'll be able to play the hero. As for after the date, well, once she sees you with your shirt off there's no point saying she'll be a good girl (I thought I was a good girl too :unsure:), all she'll want after that is sex. Lots and lots of sex. Who are you to deny her of what she wants?
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Lt Surge,Sep 26 2013
04:49:35 PM
I apologize for being an ass towards you, because out of everyone I truly had no personal reason to do that.

Thanks Surge, I didn't expect an apology, and I appreciate you saying that. :)

Your thoughts about what might have happened are really interesting, and I can only image the kind of insanity that would have followed. The merge ended up being crazy enough, even without those two! :lol: As far as I know, Falkner didn't jump ship, but you're right about the fact that he might have done it for Whitney. My relationship with him wasn't great, and the other Johto players were in the same boat, but I still wanted to have him on my side if possible. We certainly needed the numbers.
Blaine was robbed. :P

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Janine,Sep 26 2013
07:27:01 AM
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sabrina the teenage witch. i like our little rivarly thingy but i always came up short in it now did i not. i try to take u out, i go home. we duel, i go home. you can argue that you were my downfall both times i was voted out of said game. i should reward that no?

b4 I continue read the wording you see my downfall premerge was me going after you not you doing some crazy shit getting me out like super rob cesternino. I think you should understand that. yw.

anyways.

but if I do are not i not rewarding people loyal to me? why should i value you winning a duel and outjesting me especially since on old tribe we can't pin my boot on one person? why should I reward that over lets say my best friend in this game mr lt surge

now 4 every1

2 questions that are important

which breaking bad character are you most like in this game? walt and jessie are not choices because I am heisenberge and jessie is teh blowfish

should the americans in this game be allowed to join the australian site? I dont want them poisining it but it says lt surge is an american under his picture.

bonus question what is your favourite color

Holy crap Janine, April is such a perfect fit for you I can't believe I never thought of it before :lol:

Obviously you are free to vote whichever way you like, and voting for someone because they were your best friend in the game is a very legitimate reason to do so. However, if you can look past just the surface and reward the player who was against you and did manage to defeat you, I think that would truly be a great mark of respect for both yourself, myself and the game as a whole, and it would really make our story together come full circle and have the best possible and very fitting ending :')

I think that, while of course I didn't have complete control over the tribe voting you out, I definitely played a significant part. You were targetting me, so what was to stop your loyal allys from following suit and making me the next vote. I obviously had to play a big part in changing their minds through my relationship with people before and during this vote. If you had voted me out, I believe Brock, Falkner and Blue would have been extremely pissed with you and would not have agreed with the vote. That is half the tribe that would have had my back while you were pushing to vote me out, so I think I should take some credit for that.

I would compare my game to Walt Jr

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No, not because I was disabled in the game. Because I started behind the 8-ball in this game. I was on the outs after the Blaine vote which put me at a disadvantage within the rest of the tribe. However I never gave up, never took anyone's shit and ended up with a bad ass story of my own.

I don't think American's should be allowed on our site, Janine. The only Americans that should be allowed are the ones that masquerade as Australians during games. They were disadvantaged by being born outside of Australia, but are doing everything they can to try and fit in, I just find it adorable :<3

We spell it 'colour' here, Janine, but you know that of course. Was that just a test to catch out the Americans?

Thanks for a great question :<3
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Pryce,Sep 26 2013
01:47:45 PM
Sabrina: Hey Sabrina. You come across as the most UTR of the final 3, but you played a strong game nonetheless. I didn't pay too much attention to you pre-merge, you seemed like you'd simply cruise through it, and you did. I never got to speak with you as much as I would have liked. I felt as though there was some good potential for us to work together. You came across as a cautious, yet friendly player, and I liked that. You were open to the idea of being friends, which I really appreciated, but in the end it seems that it was too early for it to happen. My hopes for you to vote with me after the merge were dashed, you were playing it safe. I like the fact that you chose me as Cubone when you answered Brock's question. It's accurate. We were both being careful, I think, not wanting to reveal too much of ourselves.

You did a good job of making it to the final 3, and it's clear to me that your strategic game was a good one. I only have to look at what others have said about you to see that you were a surprisingly strong presence in this game, one that was well respected. I wish you good luck with winning the game!

Now, my question for all of you: How differently do you think the game would have turned out if Whitney and Falkner hadn't been removed? For me, Whitney's removal was certainly a blow, I suddenly had one less friend in the game.

Wow Pryce, you really do have a way with words! I appreciate your kind comments. If we'd had longer to interact in the game I'm sure I would have ranked you higher in my social player ranking :P I believe we are quite similar players in many ways. We both think long and hard about our actions before we act, and we are both smart and strategic, but also a little quiet. I think if you had survived the first duel we would have hit it off for sure. Unfortunately it was too soon and it wasn't to be, like you mentioned.

Obviously taking two people out of the game in any situation is going to have a huge effect on how it plays out. Let alone taking two out of the tribe down in numbers at the beginning of the merge. Suddenly Johto went from needing one or two people to flip, to needing pretty much half of Kanto to flip to make sure they were safe. That was never going to happen.

If they weren't removed, I'd say you would have been safe at the first vote. I believe the early plans were to try and split the vote between Whitney and Bugsy, and at worst one of them would have gone into the Arena, probably with Surge. Bugsy probably would have been next and by then I would have been much more willing to work with some of the Johto members, either because they were losing duels and were much more threatening, or because they were winning them and suddenly becoming powerful.

The only other thing I will say is, you were obviously closest with Blaine out of the three finalists, and if you want to vote for him because of that, you are obviously entitled to. However, if you are voting on who you thought played the best game, just remember the only reason Blaine got to spend so much time with you is because he played the game on Kanto horribly :P Anyway, I know you're smart enough to make up your own mind, thanks again for the question :)
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Has anyone sent out the Search and Rescue team for Chuck yet? :unsure:
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Sabrina,Sep 26 2013
07:11:20 PM
The only other thing I will say is, you were obviously closest with Blaine out of the three finalists, and if you want to vote for him because of that, you are obviously entitled to. However, if you are voting on who you thought played the best game, just remember the only reason Blaine got to spend so much time with you is because he played the game on Kanto horribly :P Anyway, I know you're smart enough to make up your own mind, thanks again for the question :)

People keep bringing up my pre-merge game as a reason not to vote for me. :lol:

Look, clearly I didn't have much power on original Kanto. I misjudged how close Misty and Surge were, and it cost me. I honestly didn't expect Misty to make such a bold move in the third round to save Surge, and I actually think that move ultimately cost her later in the game. She lost the trust of Sabrina and myself that night. Blue wasn't happy with me going. Surge and Janine saw how much power she had and ended up betraying her a few rounds later. :rolleyes:

I also point out the fact that Misty repeatedly BOMBED her own game to save Surge. This wasn't a one time thing. As much as she's trying to slant the version of events in Surge's favour, I WAS in a great position before I mentioned Surge's name. I expected Misty be rational, but she blew up and her emotions took over. I left because Misty adored Surge, NOT because I handled the situation poorly.

That said...for me to go from third boot on Kanto to making the merge, and then the end of the game...clearly I was doing something right! When I returned to Kanto, I knew I wasn't in a position to take control. Misty, Blue, Surge and Janine were still the power alliance, and nothing I could have done could have changed that. So I played it safe. I kept my head down and bided my time. Having this level of awareness isn't the sign of a bad game! :blink: Not being the HBIC also does not mean you played a bad game. :lol:

I'll also point out that Sabrina VOTED WITH ME the round I left Kanto. She was blindsided more than I was that round. She was lucky that I had pushed harder for Surge, or there was every chance she could have left instead.

People have also attacked my social game. I agree it wasn't anywhere near the level of people like Misty, Blue, Morty, etc. but it was MUCH better than Surge's. Surge managed to alienate almost every single Johto member, and more than a few Kanto's as well. If he managed to gel well with Misty/Blue/Janine, that's great, but that's only three people. For the most part he was horrible to deal with.
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I also point out the fact that Misty repeatedly BOMBED her own game to save Surge. This wasn't a one time thing. As much as she's trying to slant the version of events in Surge's favour, I WAS in a great position before I mentioned Surge's name. I expected Misty be rational, but she blew up and her emotions took over. I left because Misty adored Surge, NOT because I handled the situation poorly.


Are you facing Misty in the final 3 or are you facing me? :unsure:
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And I've been going through some rough times lately so I have some things to attend right now and probably won't be able to be online until after the vote reveal, if not from my phone. Chuck, I'll try and get online with my phone and see if you have asked any questions, but I'm not sure I'll be able to answer them. I hope my previous answers will be enough for you.

I am posting my closing statement now.
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Lt Surge,Sep 26 2013
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I also point out the fact that Misty repeatedly BOMBED her own game to save Surge. This wasn't a one time thing. As much as she's trying to slant the version of events in Surge's favour, I WAS in a great position before I mentioned Surge's name. I expected Misty be rational, but she blew up and her emotions took over. I left because Misty adored Surge, NOT because I handled the situation poorly.


Are you facing Misty in the final 3 or are you facing me? :unsure:

I'm commenting on something that has been said...you know...like you're supposed to at these things. :rolleyes:
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So this journey is coming to an end, it seems like it's been going on forever, but I don't want it to end. I've had so much fun, and it will forever be one of the best ORGs I've been apart of, if not the best one. So thankyou to the hosts and my fellow players, jurors and not, for making this happen.

Now lets wrap it up.

I've heard some people say that it's not how you start, but how you finish. I disagree. To me, it's about how you start, how you continue, and how you finish. More often than not, in an ORG, the premerge gets dismissed because either the jurors weren't apart of your tribe during that phase, or you just tend to concentrate on what went on during the final rounds. To me though, a strong game is a one where you are a player all the way, where you do not hide behind anyone, where you make moves for YOURSELF and you don't regret them. I'm not gonna trash my fellow finalists anymore, I think that's been done enough, but while I do think that Sabrina played a good premerge mage, and Blaine played a good endgame one, I also believe that my game was more structured, risky and overall stronger. I never hid. I always managed to take matters into my own hands. I played a game I'm proud of, and that I hope you guys can respect.

Playing a strong game and getting to the end is no easy feat, especially when you play in a way like mine. Misty, who was doing something similar but without the brashness, left at final 6. I had to make sure that people were willing to keep me until the end, where I could explain my game in greater detail. This is why I decided on ultimately being so confrontational and loud.

As someone notoriously once said, perception is not reality. In this case, Sabrina's and Blaine's perception of myself was off, and I intended it to be off. How many times did they mention during this FTC that they wanted me to the end because I had no shot? They thought their view of myself, and my actions, was the ones shared by a big majority on the jury, and I think they're mistaken. I played it up to them as if I were this personal, vindictive player who wanted the people he disliked out, and they ignored what was behind that, my true, game-related intentions. They didn't know the extent of my bonds with Blue, Misty and Morty, and I kept it that way. I WANTED them to see me as their big fat goat. I WANTED them to shrug me off. Coming into this FTC underestimated is the best position to be in, and I managed to do that.

All in all, it's been amazing. Good luck to both Sabrina and Blaine, and thanks for the jury, you've been way more kind than I probably deserved at times. Talk to y'all soon.
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