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Welcome, Roxanne!; 13th Place
Topic Started: May 16 2014, 06:36 PM (253 Views)
Brendan
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Brendan, yes it's an interesting way to go out, and I blame whoever made up the line 'The Rock-Loving Honor Student'- You wanted this to happen, didn't you? tongue.gif


Nah, you were always nice to me, I fucked myself over by choosing the wrong side. Like I told you in game I had a better relationship with May and Wallace than you and Wattson. I really wish that us 5 could have worked together at my vote but like I said when Flannery got voted out, that vote would determine Hoenn's fate. I don't think any original Hoenn wins at this point. I was always nice to Dawn and hoped that she would be willing to vote with me. She is the one who made the decision on that vote. I still stand by you should have voted out her when you have the chance, she is really under the radar right now.
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Roxanne,May 17 2014
11:30:08 AM
Volkner told me it was BS made up by Candice and Maylene to get him out, and he was only in an alliance with Candice and...I can't remember who. Of course, I can't know if he was telling the truth, but he seemed genuinely upset about it. Were you actually in an alliance with him, or you just got along well?

More that we got along well!! I was pretty aligned with him HAHAHA and would have went far with him, but everyone booted him out on the idea that we were running an "all male alliance," which couldn't of been further from the truth!! I was closely aligned with both Byron and Volkner and considered myself in a 4 person alliance of Maylene/Fantina/Roark HAHAHA but Fantina was really the only one who was ever honest at all!! But they convinced her I was against her, and me that she was for me, so we ended up going toe to toe!

I did like the guy though, just was hard to trust him after everyone told me he was a scallywag!!
:brawly :winona :liza :flannery :brendan :wake :byron :roxanne :lucas
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Roxanne, all of your points would have held a lot more weight with me if you weren't dumb shit enough to self-vote yourself out of the game. Please do not talk to me, I won't hear it. I'm too dense for you to get through to. I'll admit it. We will never see eye to eye on this so whatever.

BUT if you really think you were on the bottom because you were in a different timezone? Lol what the fuck. May and I are in different timezones, Wallace is apparently in Europe. We were all in different timezones. My sleep schedule is like 60% in sync with Sydney time. Don't use that as an excuse.

And when you told us you wanted Wattson out, you weren't willing to do any work, so I won't hear that either. I said sure, let's do it, and you said "who do you think would vote with you derp" when you clearly knew May/Wallace would, and if you had Dawn wrapped around your finger, she would have too. You just had to pull the trigger and you didn't. I BEGGED you to save me, but you gave me an "I'll see what I can do" and you barely talked to me that night. You sat back and did nothing, like you did almost the entire time you were there. Befriending Dawn and taking out Liza are to your credit, but nothing else it.

As for Volkner, I made that bed, but I'll lay in it. He is still a piece of trash. I do not regret being a huge bitch to him, just as I won't regret acting the same to you. I see the world very differently than you do, and I made mistakes sure, but don't act like you were a million times better.

And I'll once again that you voted yourself out of the game. And you look like a complete ass because of it. It's kind of hilarious.
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@Brendan yeah I don't think Hoenn really has much of a chance. Then again maybe Sinnoh will implode at the merge and the Hoenns can somehow get by. That's what I'm hoping, anyway. Yes Dawn was UTR, but I think she was solidly with me. We had a trio with the two of us and Norman, then another with the two of us and Volkner when he got to Hoenn. So I don't think it would have been the right move for me to vote her out. I was UTR myself anyway, so I couldn't let that be a reason to vote someone out or I'd seal my own fate! It's a shame you didn't come back in time to change your vote to Flannery, I was trying to align with you but it just didn't happen! :lol:

@Crasher Poor Volkner :( I felt so bad for him when he got booted twice in a row, and it's worse if it was all based on lies! I have no idea what's going on now at Sinnoh, seems like it's way more unpredictable there than it was at Hoenn. I think the other three in your alliance are still together though. Why did Maylene and Roark turn on you? Anyway, I'm glad to find someone else who likes Volkner because he doesn't get as much love as he should :<3
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Roxanne if you are planning on respond to this, don't bother because I will not be reading it. :)
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Roxanne
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Flannery, I rocked myself out of the game. You can make fun of me all you want, it's a way more interesting way to go out than being voted out, so you will never succeed in shaming me. :D And please don't tell me to not talk to you, I can do whatever I want. Just like you can feel free to respond to me, or not. But I hope you do because I like having debates with people so I am enjoying this :lol:

I honestly did love you in the beginning. I thought you were great :<3 Norman was literally the only person who I wanted to keep more than you, so that part was unlucky for you. Now I want you to hear my side of how your vote off went down, because I don't think you understand what I was doing. You're right that if I had wanted to I could have pulled the trigger on Wattson, but you didn't give me the information I needed to know that. I tried, I really did. I knew (well, I'm pretty sure) I had 4 votes (you, me, Dawn, Norman). At that point I was assuming Volkner and Brendan would want you out and there was no point asking, that's my mistake. But anyway, I needed one more, which is why I asked who you could get. I knew who I had already. I needed you to supply us with one more person. You weren't sure, so I told you I'd see what I could do- and I meant it. You say I knew May/Wallace would do it, but I didn't know that. From what I'd heard Wallace and Wattson were close, but I thought maybe May would go with us. So I went to May. We exchanged several PMs where I basically begged her to vote out Wattson. She kept saying no! Then I hear you're gunning for Norman, and that's where I had to stop helping you. If you had stuck to Wattson and told me May and Wallace were in, that would've been it, done. I wanted him out because I felt if we didn't do it then it would be too late, we wouldn't have enough people to do it at the next one. Which was true because then I actually started to like Wattson so that was the only time I would have voted for him :lol:

With the TZ thing, Wallace and I would exchange like one message a day because we were so opposite. May I didn't talk to much either. You would know better than me if it's true, but in my head I was thinking you were all bonding while the rest of us slept, and I felt threatened by it.
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Oh I was on American TZ, but I managed to talk to everybody but Wallace often. Roxanne I was willing to hear all plans and I would do them if I thought they benefited me. You should of told me what you were planning. I think rocking yourself out of the game is always a bad idea, but if you didn't want to vote anyone out why not leave it all to chance. Well hopefully I can talk to you more in here.

I think I told everybody that night I wasn't coming back on once I feel asleep. I really wished I hadn't gotten drunk that night.
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Brendan,May 17 2014
04:27:16 PM
Oh I was on American TZ, but I managed to talk to everybody but Wallace often. Roxanne I was willing to hear all plans and I would do them if I thought they benefited me. You should of told me what you were planning. I think rocking yourself out of the game is always a bad idea, but if you didn't want to vote anyone out why not leave it all to chance. Well hopefully I can talk to you more in here.

I think I told everybody that night I wasn't coming back on once I feel asleep. I really wished I hadn't gotten drunk that night.

I think I tried to talk to you about what I was planning before Flannery's vote, and I asked you some sort of important question to see if I could trust you, but then you sent me that message where you said it was not something you wanted to respond to while drunk and you'd reply later. So I was like, well, that's unfortunate as it's kind of urgent. Then we were told you'd voted for Norman before going to sleep, and to me that firmly put you in the 'against me' camp, since at the time Norman was my number one ally.

Yeah I didn't think you were on my TZ, but I didn't care about that so much with you because we talked a lot during the day. I don't actually care what anyone's TZ is, just the times they were available to talk to me, or people who aren't me. If people are bonding and I'm not around it's a giant issue. Or I think so anyway.

So what was your alliance then? Was it the 6 of us like I heard, or was that a decoy thing and you actually had something else going on? What was your game plan? I really want to hear everything about what everyone was doing, I love this part where we can swap stories and find out what was really happening!

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Mainly I was trying to work with May, Wallace and Flannery. The only reason I still worked with Flannery is because May and Wallace wanted to, even though she tried to get me voted out. I was trying to mainly be everybody's friend so they would talk to me about their plans and I would know if I was the target. That part worked. What I fucked up on is that everybody also wanted me to be in their alliance. The first part of the game was me trying to push people who my alliance voted out. Liza and Brawly were both people that my alliance wanted out. Since everybody wanted me in an alliance I started playing all sides while telling May and Wallace everything that was going on. That led to me overplaying the game alot, which almost got me voted out. Then I was going with you and Wattson because a) I had a good realtionship with you two and B) I thought you had good relationships with May and Wallace. Then Wattson brought up that alliance and I knew I would be burning bridges with someone. I was waiting for Flannery to get on so I could solidify a plan with the core group of 4 that was together. She didn't get on till the last minute and by that time Wattson had already drawn the lines. I was hoping to bring up an alliance of us 6 there to control the game and vote out a Sinnoh/Norman or grab Volkner and vote out Wattson, because he was going to be a problem late game. Since I still, stupidly wanted to work with them I waited till Flannery got on to make sure that we could still come up with something. Though I was not going to change my vote that night once I feel asleep I waited long enough for Flannery to get on and that ended my game. I thought that my position with Dawn and Volkner was good enough that they would vote with us. I also could have easily told you what I thought in your trust question but I didn't want to make me seem untrustworthy while not lying to you. So I made an excuse.
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Oh my god I love you for writing with so much detail :<3

:lol: at you being able to answer my question and just deciding against it. To be honest, that really annoyed me when you said you were too drunk. It made me more determined to get you guys out because I felt like if you were on my side you could've written something at least to let me know that.

So, since you and Wallace were close, was the Winona vote actually because he was doing his best to save you? I was never sure whether you and he were aligned that strongly or if it was an honest attempt at saving someone more active. At the time I was happy to go with voting for Winona, and I tried to imply to you that I had a lot to do with you being safe, so you would be grateful to me and willing to work together. But you didn't seem to care, so it didn't work.

I think you also thought that Wattson and I were really close? Everyone probably did, but it wasn't true at all. We didn't bond until after Flannery's vote.

You said your alliance wanted Liza out, but I don't get who you mean? I think Norman, Dawn, Wattson and I did, and the rest didn't? At least according to Flannery's posts here, and May made it clear she wasn't happy about that vote!

Did Volkner and Dawn say they would go with you to vote Norman? Is that why you thought it was okay to vote and go to sleep? In that case it was lucky I was able to make them flip. Dawn was easy but Volkner took some convincing from both of us, which surprised me because I thought he would be ecstatic to vote out Flannery. He did say he felt bad about betraying May and Wallace, so I figure he must have said something to them.

I'm also surprised you were willing to work with Flannery! Even with May and Wallace. After you almost got voted out I tried to make it clear that Flannery was the cause, without actually stating it you couldn't say that I blabbed. She was so gung ho on getting you out, I'm not even entirely sure why? Was the thing about you trying to coordinate vote offs on the two tribes true?
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Yeah I didn't trust myself not to say anything that would make you not trust me so I said nothing.

I actually didn't really like you that much until the Winona vote, but it was Wallace trying to save me. I took it as Wattson and Wallace were the major reasons that I survived that vote. At that point I thought you were just going to go along with anything that people said. We didn't really talk until after that vote anyways. It kinda worked, I wanted to work with you then I just made a mistake.

The two votes I tried to influence the most were Brawly and Liza. May wanted Brawly out and Wallace wanted Liza out.

I thought you and Wattson were close at the Flannery vote because of the way he told me the alliance you had.

I didn't think Volkner had any relationships formed here and May and I were both confident that he was good with us. We gave Volkner the choice of who to vote out even. He choose Norman. We didn't realize he was close with Dawn until after the vote. We only needed one, but we went after Dawn to make it seem like we were working with Sinnoh people as well. At least I did.

I am willing to work with somebody as long as they are useful. Flannery was still useful and May and Wallace both begged me to work with her. I did it more for their sake than for mine. I don't really care that she tried to vote me off, though apparently she hated me for some reason :(.

Crasher Wake can confirm this but I never tried to coordinate votes and asked him to vote off a specific person from Sinnoh. He was really gung-ho about getting all four of us the Immunity balls, and I pretended to go along with it to make it seem like I was willing to work with him long term. But all my votes were based on who was least disliked by my alliance.

Honestly I heard the same thing about Liza.
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Roxanne,May 17 2014
02:02:20 PM
@Crasher Poor Volkner :( I felt so bad for him when he got booted twice in a row, and it's worse if it was all based on lies! I have no idea what's going on now at Sinnoh, seems like it's way more unpredictable there than it was at Hoenn. I think the other three in your alliance are still together though. Why did Maylene and Roark turn on you? Anyway, I'm glad to find someone else who likes Volkner because he doesn't get as much love as he should :<3

Roark's a little bitch HAHHAHA and Maylene was never around!! They cast me aside pretty quickly to tell you the truth, they seemingly had alliances with most everyone on the tribe. I think THAT is the real reason Volkner was cut, because he could verify their lies!! I'm not 100% sure, I'd have to check my messages, but I'm pretty sure a majority alliance sprung up the first night between everyone minus me/Byron/Lucas. At the very least me and Byron HAHAHA, so they simply just decided to cast me aside!! IDK, I heard from Fantina that people were worried about what I'd do, since I took them blindsiding Volkner out rough....I was not really all that swoll that Volkner was voted, but I was more swoll that no one told me!!

I also confirm everything Brendan said HAHAHA I was gung ho on it because I thought we had a great shot at it!! I underestimated some people though!!

I'm honestly kind of depressed that I'm not playing in this anymore!! Pokemon World Tournament 3 have all the prejury from both seasons please and thanks Oak!!
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@Brendan, fair enough you thought the Ws were the main reason behind you being saved. They did it in public, I did it PMs. As I've said before, I was close with Norman and Dawn, so I asked them to vote Winona. Then, the scariest part, I also went to Flannery and asked her to change to Winona. I thought she might rage at me, since it was her plan to get you out, but she agreed. I admit now that might have been Wallace's work too. But at the time I was like, I got four votes off him, he'd better thank me for this!! Which is why when you asked me if you should tell Wattson I told you to do it because it was already all good. I know we didn't talk much before that vote- tbh it was because you kept talking about Pokemon and I know literally nothing about it so I ended up ignoring your messages when I wasn't sure how to respond. So I understand why you didn't like me :)

Don't be sad about Flannery hating you, that's just Flannery! She loved me before but now hates me more than she ever hated you I'm sure :lol:

Why did Wallace want Liza out? That confuses me, because he and May were so close- and from Liza's posts it seems like they were in an alliance? And Flannery said that her alliance didn't have time to change it. I thought that one was to Wattson's credit actually, and that's when I started seeing him as a power player. I mean I did want her out so I went with it, but it made me cautious of Wattson.

What alliance did Wattson tell you we had? We honestly didn't have one until the five of us banded together for Flannery.

Wow, V chose Norman to go! I really didn't know that, how funny. That was a good idea for you guys to give him the choice, must've been so annoying when he didn't go with his own option! No wonder it took so much effort to make him vote for Flannery.

The thing with you coordinating votes was told to me by Flannery, and then your public post made me so sad for you, and also made me start questioning her, and wondering if she was just lying to get you out.






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Well Wallace came to me and told me to suggest Winona in the first place and I thought Wattson was rallying the troops but not you.

Wattson was like I have Roxanne, she is my secret partner she'll vote with me. That is when I considered you a duo in this game. I knew you were close with Norman and I thought you were close because of that. It was the Flannery vote that he told me this.

Speaking of secret groups I knew where everybody was after the 1st vote. I had all 20 players in their groups. That secret group thing backfired terribly for the hosts I think.

I have no idea why Wallace wanted her out, but that is what he told me so I pushed it.

Those were all lies I believe I even told you in a pm exactly what I said about it. It was an odd night. I was sure as hell not going to be voted out because someone else was lying about me without getting the story right. If I was going to be voted out because of lies, it was going to be my own lies.
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@Crasher I know, Maylene wouldn't talk much in our secret group thing! And Candice was annoyed Maylene wasn't there at the Gardenia vote because that meant they didn't have enough votes to stop it from happening. If they were the ones having all the alliances it would explain why Volkner hates them so much.

Haha yeah it's a damn shame. I wish we could've made it to the merge at least.

@Brendan I was saying the same thing about Wattson at the beginning! We just assumed the other one was a pushover and would do whatever we said, even though we weren't in an alliance or anything.

I think we figured out the secret groups around the 2nd or 3rd vote. Secret groups never actually remain secret in any game though, do they? Everyone always tells, and if you don't you just make yourself look bad.

Yeah I remember you told me they were all lies, and you told me the Liza thing too which turned out to be what actually did happen so that was a good move on your part as it probably helped us to all want her out.
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