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Need Opinions; From a live tourney play
Topic Started: Mar 26 2007, 09:23 AM (218 Views)
:rocklawr
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OK, here is the situation:

111 person live tourney

$200 buy in / $100 unlimited rebuys first hour / $100 add on at the end of the first hour

Top 10 in the money

Down to final 20. I'm 1'st to act. Blinds are at 1k/2k. Dealer says hand after next blinds go up to 2k/4k. So next hand I'm BB at 2k and and after that I'm SB at 2k. That is 40% of my stack if I don't hit any hands.

I'm below average on my stack though not sure exactly how low. At my table the chip leader is around 24k. The other table has the monster stacks.

OK, so 1'st to act...clearly out of position...I get pocket 4's. After reviewing my stack and blind situation I decide to move all in. The SB, who only has 5k left after the SB, calls. Everyone else out. He flips over pocket 8's. Hit the inside straight draw on the flop but turn and river no good, I lose.

Next hand I have 2k in and 2k left as I'm the BB. One player moves all in and another calls. I'm priced in now with a chance to move up to 13k if I hit with my Q 6 off. Other 2 players show 10 J off and K 9 hearts. Flop comes 10 6 2 rainbow. No help on the turn or river. I'm out in 20'th.

So the question remains, should I have pushed with my 44 out of position with 10k left knowing the next 2 hands I lose 4k in blinds or should I have held out? In retrospect I think I should've held out. Another round of of the table and I may have doubled up on my 6k if the right cards hit. The 4's were not great and all I would've won is 3k if everyone folds.

Just looking for some unbiased opinions. Thanks.
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My personal opinion: You have 10k. 5x the BB and 2.5x the next level of BB. Some folks are already tightening up to slide into the final table.

Regardless of everyone else's stack, you are short. You did have enough chips to get respect for your move from everyone but someone even more desperate.

44 is not great, but they are pocket pairs, and by moving from UTG, you should get some respect. If you get called, you could easily be in a race with Ax and be ahead.

It is a perfectly acceptable time to make a move. It is a perfectly acceptable hand to make a move.

I have no problem with it. You're going to be forced to move in an orbit or so anyway, and you may not see a better hand, and with an even shorter stack, you will pick up a couple of callers.

I'm fine with it.

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Mar 26 2007, 09:04 am
My personal opinion: You have 10k. 5x the BB and 2.5x the next level of BB. Some folks are already tightening up to slide into the final table.

Regardless of everyone else's stack, you are short. You did have enough chips to get respect for your move from everyone but someone even more desperate.

44 is not great, but they are pocket pairs, and by moving from UTG, you should get some respect. If you get called, you could easily be in a race with Ax and be ahead.

It is a perfectly acceptable time to make a move. It is a perfectly acceptable hand to make a move.

I have no problem with it. You're going to be forced to move in an orbit or so anyway, and you may not see a better hand, and with an even shorter stack, you will pick up a couple of callers.

I'm fine with it.

Sometimes the magic works, sometimes it doesn't.

I think I am in agreement with MRR... as a follow-up question to MRR that might be helpful to many... can you go thru some hands and say whether you think the all-in play is appropriate? Would you do the same with 22? With KJos (for guy)?

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. can you go thru some hands and say whether you think the all-in play is appropriate? Would you do the same with 22? With KJos (for guy)?


Not really. It is so situationally driven.

It's on the order of a semi-bluff. On one hand, you really don't want anyone to call. Collect the blinds and increase your stack 30%. Live to see more orbits.

On the other hand, you do have a hand. You might not mind being called by KJ or AK, KQ, AQ, Ax etc. You're ahead, and you might catch that set. You could double up. Still, if you really wanted to be called you wouldn't go all-in.

Ideally, you want 88 or better, so that just any caller may have a smaller pair, or if he's playing Ax, the x is less than 8. Obviously, the bigger your pocket pair, the better your chances. 88 is arbitrary. All pocket pairs are scary. ;)

I don't think the cards really matter that much. You're trying to steal from UTG. You're using the fact that, while you're still short stacked, you are still betting enough chips to hurt the big stack and put others all in. The fact that you have 44 is just to make you feel a little better in case you're called.

The critical thing is this: From a relative position, you may not feel short stacked, but at 5x the BB (M=3.3) you are. You must make moves. Best to make them while you have enough chips to demand respect from everyone. If you have good cards, all the better, but that's just a luxury at this point.
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It's pretty obvious I've made the definitive hand analysis on Rock's play.

The entire board seem to agree by their silence.

I've clearly made a deep, long lasting impact on Rl's game with my insightful comments.

Judging by his response and all.
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MightyRedRaider
Mar 27 2007, 10:58 am
It's pretty obvious I've made the definitive hand analysis on Rock's play.

The entire board seem to agree by their silence.

I've clearly made a deep, long lasting impact on Rl's game with my insightful comments.

Judging by his response and all.


Lets just say that Bullmer, DC, Deej, Stock and I are getting a good laugh out of your "analysis" as you called it. Any more jokes to offer?

J/K MRR. Thanks for the opinion. I hate second guessing myself when I make the right play, but sometimes you need to question yourself to be sure it was right. At least I know that 100% of the responses were in favor of my play. WOOHOO!
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Bullmer, DC, Deej, Stock and I are getting a good laugh out of your "analysis" as you called it.


Finally. It's good to know that my insight is getting the kind of respect and notariety it richly deserves.

I must say, anyone who would move all-in from UTG with 44 while in sight of the final table deserves all the advice he can get.

I want you to continue to make that move, after all, we may meet up at some tourney, close to the bubble, you're UTG and make a move.

I'll try not to chuckle as I call...


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I'm kidding of course Rock....there is no player I respect more....actually, there is no person in life whom I respect more....I wish I could be more like Rock...it makes me sad just thinking how less of a person I am compared to him...how will I ever go on?
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no, i think we can find other ways to punish you
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Mar 27 2007, 11:49 am
I'm kidding of course Rock....there is no player I respect more....actually, there is no person in life whom I respect more....I wish I could be more like Rock...it makes me sad just thinking how less of a person I am compared to him...how will I ever go on?

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MRR i agreed with you posts like you said
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