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feathers might still happen
Topic Started: May 2 2013, 10:28 PM (49 Views)
the dark phoenix
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Terrestrisuchus

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Baurusuchus

These two (ok the artist had a hypothesis) show signs of filaments be it down-like or hair-like

I think some groups of animals should have some feathers or hair(pterosaurs have it so maybe the dracosuchids could have some it instead of heavy armor)

what do you guys think?

oh and I found a few other good pics

link, link, link, link, link, and link
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While I have no problem with adding filamentous structures to our pseudosuchians, I think it's wholly plausible, I wouldn't go so far as to calling them feathers. If filamentous structures in pseudosuchians are feathers, that would make pterosaur pycnofibres feathers, heterodontosauriform quills feathers and possibly even the plates of stegosaurs feathers. It all depends on how one defines a feather.
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so in a way birds(though might still have a tail, teeth, or claws) might still exist but they are not called "birds" or might not even look like them.
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But if they aren't called birds, and don't even look like birds, wouldn't that mean they're not birds? They'd be just as much birds as dracosuchids are.
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May 3 2013, 07:53 AM
But if they aren't called birds, and don't even look like birds, wouldn't that mean they're not birds? They'd be just as much birds as dracosuchids are.
if lived in a parallel world and saw a bird for the first time would you call it a bird?

I think dinosaurforms would still be the most likely to make Pseudobirds as their would-have-been descendents had feathers and a good body plan
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the dark phoenix
May 3 2013, 03:14 PM
DK1000
May 3 2013, 07:53 AM
But if they aren't called birds, and don't even look like birds, wouldn't that mean they're not birds? They'd be just as much birds as dracosuchids are.
if lived in a parallel world and saw a bird for the first time would you call it a bird?

I think dinosaurforms would still be the most likely to make Pseudobirds as their would-have-been descendents had feathers and a good body plan
HI highly doubt I would call it a bird, but that doesn't make whatever parallel-world me calls it incorrect. e could call it whatever he wants because that would be parallel-world's people's perception of it, just as much as "bird" is what our perception of what such a creature is.

And just because birds exist in our world, that doesn't mean there's some hyper-universal spot that exists in every world for the "bird" position. I recurring thing I've noticed in this project is that we're not thinking outside the box enough, I remember first time around there were creatures that were just basically dinosaurs turned into rauisuchians. What's the point of it being speculative if everything turns out the same way it did here, just with different animals in their place? The whole point of a speculative evolution project is to see how things would be different if the course of evolution changed. Just look at all the extinct animals that don't have any modern analogue on our world, these are designs that were lost forever. Likewise in this project, some things that show up in our world won't appear in MN, as well as new, unseen forms that don't appear in our world.

Tl;dr version: Just because birds show up in our universe, that doesn't mean birds have to show up in every universe.
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Hence the reason I moved the dracosuchids from where they where. By giving them an entire ORDER to expand upon, we have a chance to really go nuts (( Within reason of course)) for what can be done with them. Because for what I have planned for them, NOTHING has actually existed that's a proper analog for them, except MAYBE secretary birds to a point.
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OK

Well what of pterosaurs? and would bats still occur or would they go the way of the birds?

I am not just trying to geosuchus(weasel) birds in, I am trying to figure out what would claim their niches

what could take the niche of penguins, ratites, or humming birds?

In some ways birds have designs themselves that no other vertebrate group has so I am trying to figure out how a pterosaur, dracosuchid, or something else could fit in their.

I have the same problem with my dinosaur project as I don't want too many ratites or terrorbird creatures so in a way I am also trying to stay plausible and go wild but I would also like a original idea
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Well birds have had a helluva lot of time to diversify in the absence of every other dinosaur on the planet, 65 million years of it, so it's no surprise that they fit into so many niches in our world.

But we don't need a single group of animals to fill in every niche the birds have, or something that even flies for that matter. We've got over 200 million years of evolution to speculate, we don't need something to immediately fill in a niche.
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