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| A friendly letter to the Regnum-Irae; Ellu | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 19 2005, 11:35 AM (195 Views) | |
| RI ELLU FIN | Oct 19 2005, 11:35 AM Post #1 |
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Hia all! This is letter I sent to Kutter some time ago. This happened right after Kutter rejoined the clan (the community) and he asked me to do the same. Today I received a message from Kutter and he suggested that I should I say these things out in the open. So here it goes with only some minor edits to enhance readability: .................................................................................................................................................................................................................. "Things are bit more complicated with me. As you see this was my second time I left. There is a rule that says you only get a second chance, not third. As we have seen rules are so damn importan in this clan. Lately the clan has been a bit about rules and not about frindship. If someone contradicts the rules he will be reminded time and time again about the rules. Then he is given an ultimatum "like the rules or leave!" This should change, people need to be taken as people and listened to! There are so many reasons for contradictions, many of then very good ones too! Secondly I am not so into military discipline and structure. I have done my military service and I know how it runs and what the principles underneath are. As a fully trained artillery sergeant I know my stuff well enough. In RI I see military structure only as a means to maintain clearness in the structure. I don't see any future in a clan that seriously expects me to jump when somenone with higher rank tells me to. That would be very silly and childish. I games I will always fight with my team mates, but I will do it my way and my strategies are sometimes unorthodox but fun ;-). But my team mates can count on me everytime, I just choose sometimes another way of doing things than they might expect. Sometimes the longer road is the smartest & leads to a victory, or at least to a nice score ;-) or magnificient kills. I expect always to be treated in an adult manner and like everyone else I expect to be given recognition when due. I respect the people in the clan very much. I have always considered very important to keep certain openess in all things. Critical dicussion and straight forward critique serve many times higher goals. We would not evolve if there was no critical discussion! This is very important thing to me! So I need critical disucssion in the clan too. But is Regnum-Irae too rigid to accomplish that? I sincerely hope not! This point is also very important. I will not ask to be let in the clan. I need to be asked! I have fought for this clans many times. I make my battles silent and my wars are fought many times in the realm of diplomacy, maintaining peace, calming hot heads, securing continuity. I seek always heatlhy resolutions to problems. I have done this work all of my time in Regnum-Irae. But I will not get any recognition for my work. If someone eg. holds a strategic bridge in a battle for 5 minutes he is rewarded. But if someone works for the whole of the clan silently, he will not be noticed at all! Actually I feel very uncomfortable writing this, who am I to demand reckognition? But at the same time what I say is true! So very true! So to make things a bit shorter - I can consider rejoining the clan if: - discussion is more open in the future - military logic is implemented in an adult manner - "like rules or leave" ultimatums cease - i will experience no trial times - i will return to my former rank - 2 leader model "opens up" to conversation and listens more the members - and I am asked to join! Sorry to make these requirements, but I need to "win" this to be able to believe in change in Regnum-Irae. And sorry Kutter, you can't ask me to join! Timeline or Zero can! I am sure you can see the logic behind this. I'd like to add that you guys are really my true friends regardless the fact wether I am a member or not! ............................................................................................................................................................................................................ Always your friend, Ellu |
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| Falcon | Oct 19 2005, 03:50 PM Post #2 |
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Sigh guys... u write so much... Well Ellu, I need more time for to write my opinion, if my opinion is required. But maybe should be better if Leaders only answer u, so any flame will start again! Falcon |
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| Ravager | Oct 19 2005, 04:43 PM Post #3 |
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Well, to me, it is you decision to be in the clan, i THINK that you could be allowed back in, but, that's your decision to re-join or not, not mine, not the leaders no1's. JUST ur's. WEll, laters. |
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| RI ELLU FIN | Oct 19 2005, 09:27 PM Post #4 |
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Take your time Falcon if you wish to give your opinion! More than that I hope your take care of yourself, heal those injuries and take care of that flu! You gotta take care of yourself man :angry: OKAY! Ellu |
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| Timeline | Oct 20 2005, 01:26 AM Post #5 |
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You didnt left the Clan twice. This Regnum-Irae COMMUNITY and "Clan" Staff has been built in the date of 15 August. All old Clan members have been dismissed included you and me and Zero. In this new course, and in the wide Community, you had applied one time and left one. |
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| RI-ZeRo | Oct 20 2005, 12:31 PM Post #6 |
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LeaDeR AnD FoUnDeR Of ReGNuM-IrAe
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Well i will be short in this, you know im not very good to writte English, and Willy complains about it so i dont want that he complains again with me LoL. I dident expect less then that what you wrote neither of what you normally do for the clan, you always have been one of the few persons to have a clear mind and Chilled, capeble to make all understand that we could be childish or other thing like that, or also having bad temper like me sometimes. About you being recognize about what you do, well maybe you are right about that, maybe we recognize to often new members and forget the older and also the friends, but this is the main reason of it OLDER MEMBERS AND FRIENDS, at the least i think that the friends and older members they already know what they do and are pleased with that so they wont mind of it. I also dont mind of it, normaly no one says that Zero made a nice game or take the good action, i think that no one needs to say it to me cause its my job. But now i say to you this, tank you for making part of this Clan, REGNUM-IRAE CLAN, thank you for helping us in so many battlesm thank you for helping us solving problems among us and being always the clear mind. Like Timeline said you just Leave once , cause well Re-join the Clan in August, lets say that the other one was in oter epoc And Other thing i ask you or request you to re-join Regnum-Irae, if yuo accept or not its only up to you, but if you dont join, this is not the end of the worls cause you know you always have my friendship Your friend ZeRo |
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Obidience without Question, Loyelty till Death Strenght and Honor, Death before DisHonor [Regnum-Irae] ZeRo §PT§ The LeADeR | |
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| Falcon | Oct 20 2005, 02:20 PM Post #7 |
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Dear Tatu, I'm better but I would like some holiday. Unfortunately it's impossible. I read carefully your letter and your conditions and I thought a lot before to answer u. All know that u are a great regnum and a dear friend, but with regard to your requests, I prefer not to talk about them. At this time I won't declare I agree or disagrre with u, because in my opinion problem should be another. Imagine Ellu, what would require all guys that came in the Clan without conditions, if now Leaders will accept yours? To satisfy one person mean to satisfy all ppl. Dear Tatu, when DKutter said me that he intended to leave RI guild for to be free to play with other ppl the PvP, GvG ecc. in a better team, for to win easier, I answered him that never I will leave RI guild, because my life is in my Clan and my pleasure is to play with my clan mates. So my heart order me, he pulse in the Clan. I will play with other guild mates, like Buldog guild, but only like a guest, with my Clan tag. So there, maybe this is the time to listen your heart. I love u. Falcon |
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| [RI]M1A1Abram(USA) | Oct 20 2005, 03:19 PM Post #8 |
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ummmm... im going with what Ravager said |
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| RI ELLU FIN | Oct 20 2005, 11:38 PM Post #9 |
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Hia! First I'd like to thank Zero for his reply. And further more I wish to thank Zero for the conversations we have had via personal email correspondence. You truly are good at talking even when things at hand are hard. Kutter needs to be mentioned here too. You have the guts to do things that are sometimes so damn hard to do. You use the big gun only when definately necessary. You have all my respect and support in the future too. We three went through some hard stuff together. It was so nice to have you both with me! Secondly I wish to point out to the younger members of the clan (I do not mean age) that me, Timeline, Zero, Falcon and Kutter have quite long history of friendship behind us. That friendship is actually so much greater than the clan. I am happy that things in this respect are as they are. Even during fiercest argumentation we all remind each other that we are friends! The network of friendship inside the clan is actually so much wider that mentioned here. I think it is so cool ;). So please do not squeeze more drama out of the events. There is no need for that! Thirdly I wish to express my sincere apologies for the inconvenience. I never wanted to hurt anyone of you. Heat of a moment sometimes can blur one's judgement, but I ask of you all to believe bad things were never intended. If someone feels he got insulted in the way I am truly sorry. So I've decided to rejoin. I will make my formal application as soon as I have the time. Ellu |
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| DKutter | Oct 21 2005, 12:37 AM Post #10 |
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Im happy Tatu everything has been cleared, and Falcon:
I never said that, I just said, Guild Wars is a completely different game from the others we played since now, and as when I buy a game I usually play it for 2 or 3 years, now Im playing it and I will play it longer. When u start Guild Wars you might be attracted by the PVE part of the game, that is a huge tutorial that introduces you to the PVP/GVG. Unfortunately, and Im sure about that, the Regnum Guild has no future and no chance in PVP, also because you need to use TeamSpeak and thats mean you have to play with ppl of your same language. Thats why I left the Guild and I joined an Italian one. These are nice guys, they have very similiar philosophy, they play for fun and they are all adults. It was the best choose for me, or I would have left the game at all. |
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| Timeline | Oct 21 2005, 02:38 AM Post #11 |
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Ok. The questions are solved... Topic Closed
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| Falcon | Oct 21 2005, 12:53 PM Post #12 |
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Yes yes..... same that I said with different and fewer words. ;-) Falcon |
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| Falcon | Oct 21 2005, 12:57 PM Post #13 |
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Dear dear friend, I'm very happy for this! I'm sure that next time we all will work better togheter for avoid mistakes and misunderstandings. :rolleyes: A big embrace from your friend Falcon Falcon |
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| (RI)Eldred(HUN) | Oct 21 2005, 02:08 PM Post #14 |
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finally peace and quiet |
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| Bärsärk | Oct 24 2005, 11:52 AM Post #15 |
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I'm so happy now |
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, cause well Re-join the Clan in August, lets say that the other one was in oter epoc


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