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| Wibble | Nov 20 2016, 01:21 PM Post #31 |
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The blindly optimistic side of me thinks "we are 2 points off 4th place". Lets keep winning for now and build our attack from here. Better than trying to figure out how to win and look good doing it. But we do need something to change. And a coach seems wise. But.... our newer players are not letting us down so thats good news. |
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| Bedford Saint | Nov 20 2016, 01:56 PM Post #32 |
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What we need is quality not quantity and a really strong academy to supplement the team if we get hit by injuries. It looks like Ford will leave Bath, not sure if we are looking at him, but if we want to compete with the best we surely must make a big effort to sign him. Rumour has it JJ is looking to go back to Munster, so this is an ideal time to sign Ford will Myler/Olver as back up. Robson said we are looking for another marque signing. Front row has to be priority. |
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| happyclapper | Nov 20 2016, 09:40 PM Post #33 |
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In my usual positive manner, we are team to win at Sixways this season. Yes none of the big boys have been there yet but still, first team to win... |
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| ElmaFudd | Nov 21 2016, 08:52 AM Post #34 |
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...well if we are being positive *shudders at the thought*. Good ol' Tigs did us a favour beating Sale and keeping us 6th. Not too shabby |
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| Onward | Nov 21 2016, 10:26 AM Post #35 |
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How depressing is it to glance the prem table. Only Falcons have scored less tries. Bristol have scored as many as Saints. Thank goodness for our defence. In two short seasons we have gone from the most exciting team to watch to the most boring. King Louis aside our recruitment since those heady days has been poor, the attack coaching seemingly non existant. Bet King would be an interesting listen though as it cant all be down to him. Good coaching is critical as demonstrated by Bath. Last season on this site I read that Bath's team was inferior to Saints. Blackadder seems to have pulled them together. Yes this season is already a write off so the concern turns to which players will be saying to themselves, my contract is up at the end of the season and I am not enjoying this boring style of play I can enjoy myself elsewhere? |
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| happyclapper | Nov 21 2016, 10:46 AM Post #36 |
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Come on?!?!? Season over?!?!?! We're 4 points of 4th. Yes we're not playing well but we're still managing to win games. If we're still playing utter rubbish at the end of the season, then fair enough, let's look at it. But for now, we need some perspective. |
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| Wibble | Nov 21 2016, 11:27 AM Post #37 |
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We cant afford to write off the season. We need to finish top 6 at worst, hopefully top 4 and that is possible. Top 2 is beyond us unless something strange happens but we could get 4th if we keep winning. Now i am not happy with these low expectations but if we want to hire the best players and coaches we have to be in Europe or we will struggle. If we really want the best we need to be a top 4 club. One blip last year people can overlook if we head the right direction but a worse performance than last year and we will have a much harder job turning this ship around. What we need to consider is what are our objectives at the moment. If its play good rugby first, then try and make it succesful then we are sliding backwards. If its be a winning team in the top 6 then try and improve in the second half of the season with a solid position then we might (only might) be going the right way. I am never upset with an away win or any kind. Even the best teams usually have much closer results away from home so Friday did not concern me too much. Its our home form i worry about most. We need to go back to Fortress Frankins. Thats what put us on the right path after our last stint in the Championship. We were tough to beat at home and also put weaker teams to the sward with a number of last gasp bonus point wins. That is what i would concentrate on next. Lets be bloody hard to play against at home. Lets make it a miserable place for away teams to come to. We are not going to go from poor performances to good ones over night but we can turn narrow losses into narrow wins. Lets keep that up for now and keep building confidence and experience. And lets please have a good win at home soon to make people remember what a fun game this can be to watch. |
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| happyclapper | Nov 21 2016, 11:54 AM Post #38 |
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Starting this Friday. Under the lights. Fortress Franklins. 5 points please. |
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| Wibble | Nov 21 2016, 12:36 PM Post #39 |
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Agreed. |
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| ElmaFudd | Nov 21 2016, 01:28 PM Post #40 |
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yes please. |
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| Onward | Nov 21 2016, 04:37 PM Post #41 |
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Easily said. Hope fifteen people make it come true. Here is a thought that might be a bit provocative but cant resist it. We somehow manage to finish in the top six, scraping enough wins together but not entertaining anyone. The club thinks 'not bad' so next season becomes the same as this. or We dont finish in the top six and the club realise that something more active needs to be done. Which is better for the club longer term? Sorry, said I couldnt resist it chaps |
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| Wibble | Nov 21 2016, 05:01 PM Post #42 |
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Hard to say. I cant tell the future. 6th this year might mean we get the right players and coach to improve next season. It might mean the slide contiues. Loosing Jim and being a team in decline might mean we cant sign new stars and get a poor set of new coaches and DOR who take us backwards or could bring back the missing x factor and get us to the top. For now its too hard to tell. I think though that anything less than top 6 and Jim will be gone. Lets hope we dont need to find out and we improve from here. |
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| happyclapper | Nov 21 2016, 05:22 PM Post #43 |
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Or third option Onward: We get a new coach, we work out what the issues were and go on a storming run, finish top 4 and win the whole thing! No one knows what will happen, or why the players aren't quite getting it right but I'm sure they're working hard to correct it. Regardless of where we finish, we'll attract decent players and coaches. We may not be a big side as far as history of winning stuff goes but we're an established, well supported club with great facilities. We'll always attract players. |
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| flanker | Nov 21 2016, 08:28 PM Post #44 |
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Do you reckon that players get to know early that their contracts are unlikely to be renewed next year or they're planning a move? And that affects their form and effort? I think we need a big exodus at the end of this season. |
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| ElmaFudd | Nov 21 2016, 10:03 PM Post #45 |
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I often wonder that Flanker, the players must have some idea about potential for new contract and who's to say if that is the case how that will motivate/demotivate certain charaters. Some people may for example know they are in their last season and be determined to leave on a high while others may think it's my last season, I'll take the money and run. Now I like to think that professional sports people would fall in the first school of thought, Potential clubs will not be interested in players who are "only in it for the money" after all said and done. Onward - the though has occurred to me that maybe we do need a really poor season to shake things up and force change, on the other hand I'm not sure just how much needs to change we as supporters can only look on and speculate so from that perspective I'm just going to have to be satisfied with hoping we can turn it around this season and go on an upward run. It's often said on these boards who would be a coach, I say Whou would be a supporter. |
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| happyclapper | Nov 22 2016, 12:23 AM Post #46 |
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Mr Dowson certainly put a shift in when he knew he was moving on! I think Eddie Jones had it right when asked if it was ever OK to lose as you learn more, he said "No, I want to win every game". Same applies to a bad season. No, no, and no. Let's go on a winning run! |
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| big mac returns | Nov 22 2016, 10:28 AM Post #47 |
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I said a few weeks back that we need to just win the lv cup games, the wuss and falcon games, then we can define our season with Leicester Leinster Leinster. So far we are on course to do this. We need an attack coach and a player or two but our season is certainly not over!!! Have we forgotten how wasps used to always time their run to the finals right? And how the year we finished top we lost in the semis? We beat falcons and then go to tigers a grind out a win........season is alive! COYS |
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| happyclapper | Nov 22 2016, 11:54 AM Post #48 |
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Yes, yes, yes! This is what i like! Well said Mac! Saints for the league, LV and Europe!!! COYS!!!! |
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| Wibble | Nov 22 2016, 12:25 PM Post #49 |
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Sure, why not. Its Tuesday and we have not lost for a Month. Lets be super optimistic :-) |
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