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| big mac returns | Jan 10 2017, 10:15 AM Post #61 |
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I agree mallinder isnt a 13. 13 is also probably the hardest place to defend and its his defence which is the area is most need of development. having said that burrell is awful in defence and they trust him there. |
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| Wibble | Jan 10 2017, 11:58 AM Post #62 |
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Looking at our squad, 13 seems to be our weakest position. George Pisi is still very good but is getting older, Luther is better there than at 12 but still seems to be some way off being a world beater. I would be happy to keep either of them as backup but having both gives us no real flexibility. If i was to target a position to spend some cash it would be 13. |
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| ElmaFudd | Jan 10 2017, 08:16 PM Post #63 |
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I've split this thread to a new squad discussion thread ad I think it warrants it and I will u pin this topic shortly. Sorry for any confusion. I've split this thread to a new squad discussion thread ad I think it warrants it and I will u pin this topic shortly. Sorry for any confusion. Edited by ElmaFudd, Jan 10 2017, 08:16 PM.
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| flanker | Jan 10 2017, 11:42 PM Post #64 |
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You may be right but hasn't he played effectively at full back? Doesn't he he defend well at 10? |
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| happyclapper | Jan 10 2017, 11:53 PM Post #65 |
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Yes he has, but what has that got to do with playing 13? And Mac's assertion that it's the hardest place to defend? |
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| flanker | Jan 11 2017, 08:35 AM Post #66 |
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Presumably he needs pace and defensive qualities to play full back? |
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| happyclapper | Jan 11 2017, 09:15 AM Post #67 |
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I stated before, you don't need searing pace to play full back. Alex Goode for example. Many full backs over the years. Mac stated that 13 is one of the hardest positions to defend. Defending at 15 is very different to defending at 13. Instead of challenging everything that people say, why don't you tell us why you think he'd be a good 13? Edited by happyclapper, Jan 11 2017, 09:15 AM.
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| Wibble | Jan 11 2017, 10:16 AM Post #68 |
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You can never be 100% sure how anyone will cope until you try it and support them. He obviously has a number of the skills needed, all backs do. And he has good size and strength also but its hard to say how he will develop in any one position. Personally i feel we are moving towards having a play maker at 12 rather than the old battering ram we used in the past 10. That is evident from playing JJ and Harry (and to a lesser degree Hutch). In that situation your 13 needs to be something a bit different. We probably need someone strong, fast and with a good pass, Kinda Like George North when he has played there in the past. George Pisi can play like that quite often, Luther has the potential but i think we will likely see someone new come in over one of those as i just feel the ombined standard is a little lower than our other positions. I dont think we have a perfect 13 in the squad at this moment to play in our "new style". |
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| big mac returns | Jan 11 2017, 10:37 AM Post #69 |
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I don't really agree, I think we do in George Pisi, ultimately his defence in superb, he reads the defence really well and is well seasoned in the transition from line to edge defence, he is a very good broken field runner. issue is he hasn't had great form for a while, but to me a lot of that has been due to the form of luther, when he's played outside arry instead hes looked alot better and for george when hes form is not good it means hes not tearing up defences and scoring trys but he still remains solid in defence. I dont understand why we would play arry at 13, hes clearly a 12. hes got good carrying ability, nice distribution and a decent boot. I'd say hutch is more of a 12 as well, hes has alot of the same skils, however hes a tad faster and seems to be a better support runner. for me hes should be promoted to pisi's understudy and given plenty of game time to develop. for me its catch 22, we complain about experience but they wont get it without playing, the likes of collins wont improve simply by training and they are at a stage now where championship rugby is no good for them and may even hinder their development. fortune favours the brave, why invest in the academy then not give the lads a go and time to develop. |
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| Wibble | Jan 11 2017, 11:06 AM Post #70 |
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All good points, I am going to move over to the Squad Discussion thread Elma kindly set up for further discussions :-) |
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| happyclapper | Jan 11 2017, 11:11 AM Post #71 |
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I think George Pisi has been victim of playing in a poorly playing side. Judge him the same as wingers, it's hard to impress when you've got rubbish happening inside you. Personally I see our personnel as follows: 10 - Myler, JJ, Olver 12 - Harry, Hutch, JJ 13 - Pisi, Luther, Stephenson We've also got Tuitivake (?) to slot in somewhere. Barring a major world class signing, I actually think that is good enough if we get some good backs coaching. Or we start playing our old game plan and get over the gain line to create space. Either way, we need to be on the front foot and that would create space for the likes of Pisi and Luther in the 13 channel. Good point... See you there! Edited by happyclapper, Jan 11 2017, 11:12 AM.
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