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| Dave | Aug 10 2011, 07:12 PM Post #61 |
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Sheesh, can't you just let me get under your skin ONE time? This game is fun. |
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| Brobst | Aug 10 2011, 07:26 PM Post #62 |
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he he I've kinda let a few things slide in here since you've usually given the vibe of being a "one post per round" person. But then again, you usually write very accurately about what you're up to, so follow-up stuff from me hasn't really been all that necessary. Anyhoo, now that you know your back is apparently against the wall and that you feel your time here could be short........I'm curious about more of your perspective since you're not only new to these games of mine......but this is your first online Survivor game EVER. (there may be other newbies still in the game, or in the Jury House, or Ponderosa......but you do mention things that make me curious) So, if this wasn't your first game, do you think you would approach any of it differently? You've often mentioned that Hunter shouldn't have made a move against you just because there's no prize money involved and he "shouldn't want to win that bad." But since everyone has given up free time to play for the past several weeks, wouldn't you want to win, too? Or should game moves not be made just because no one is winning some big cash prize? If he was going to separate himself from you, should he have just told you - "I'll stick with you til 7 or so. Hope that's cool." What would you have done if you knew a move would be made against you? Would you come up with a new plan and just beat them to the punch? I find this an interesting topic because in every game I've hosted, I can never really gauge how first-timers will play and how they'll react to things since they've never done it before. |
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| Dave | Aug 10 2011, 10:05 PM Post #63 |
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Wait, what did you let slide? Did I do something bad? And what did I say that made you curious? ...if you can tell me that. As far as game stuff: My perspective right now is layered lol: First, I now realize just why people on the real show feel the way they do when they get betrayed. I totally understand that if Hunter got me to believe in him THAT much to make me feel so betrayed now, that he did a great job strategically. But, I also see now why real players that get blindsided don't want to reward that person a million bucks. Hell, I don't want to award Hunter anything lol. Second, it's actually kinda fun having my back against the wall. I enjoy this "villain" role I'm in. It's funny not having to be all P/C with the way I interact with these guys/gals. I know I'm screwed unless someone gets nervous about their position, which they don't seem to be. I'm definitely trying to screw with their heads though. I even made up some bullshit story that I know I'm not going to be able to make the challenge on Sunday, so that it doesn't really matter if I win this next challenge anyway; cuz I'd just go home Sunday. I'll be here if I'm still in the game, but they don't need to know that. I was just hoping one of them would think that they could use me to get rid of someone else this round and then easily boot me Sunday night. Doesn't look like this strategy is gonna work though. Third, I realize that if I really wanted to win badly enough I could have been as ruthless as Hunter or Ace. But, at some point I started thinking I could get to the end with the people I thought hadn't been lying. I thought I could out-argue Hunter in the Finals, but it was almost like a Tina/Colby situation, where I was thinking it would still feel like a win no matter what. I think if money were on the line though, I would have felt different. Lastly, the "mistakes" I've made in this game are very clear. 1) I put too much trust in one person, where they were able to exploit it when they felt they needed to. 2) I was so up front with someone like Frank about the "fake" alliance that I had with Crystal/Deena that it made him think that I was "way too into it". It made him trust me less, which was the exact opposite effect that I intended. 3) I underestimated the fact that people wanted to the win the game no matter what the "prize" is. 4) I started trying to make the game one where the people that I "deemed" to be deserving would make it farther AND I tried to prevent people from being blinsided JUST for the sake of being blindsided. I didn't try to make alliances with people like Jill, Teresa, Scout etc... because I didn't think I NEEDED to lie to them. I didn't mind lying if I HAD to, but at some point I started thinking I could get by on less lies. It did get a little personal for me, which I still think is fine in this game, but you do leave yourself vulnerable that way. Ok, I think I answered your question about "wanting to win". It kinda changed for me as we got deeper into the game. I thought I could win it and still honor my alliance with Hunter and Frank though. I can't really say right now if I would play things differently if I played again. I think I could win this game without being quite as shady. I know I don't really think it's necessary to get really personal with someone only to completely betray them the way Hunter did to me. Clearly he thinks he needed to do it, but that is where I didn't like it. In my opinion, he was WELL on his way to winning this game anyway, without blindsiding his closest ally. I knew coming into this that this game was going to be cluttered with "hardcore strategists", since anyone willing to play an online Survivor game probably is a fan of the gameplay. (and they probably have a screw loose too) If I thought Hunter's move was a great one, I would understand it more. But, I think that it could have been his downfall. Granted, a lot of these jury members are strategists like I mentioned, but I intend to screw over his chances as much as humanly possible. Hell, I've been working on it for 3 days lol. As far as your last couple questions, I kinda touched on it above, but of course Hunter shouldn't have told me he was gonna dump me at F7. But, my feeling is that he was on his way to winning without blindsiding me, so why do it? It can only make you look like a jerk. I guess that might matter more to me than the others, who knows? Also, I absolutely would have tried to make a move if I heard someone was gunning for me. It's why I wanted Ace gone after Jill. That is justified to me because in my mind he's backstabbing me first, so I have every right to defend myself. But, I KNOW I was never gunning for Hunter and he knew that too. It's fun now though, cuz since I know I'm in trouble, EVERYTHING is fair game. |
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| Brobst | Aug 10 2011, 10:20 PM Post #64 |
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No no no, I just meant that most rounds, I try to have a back and forth with people based on what they post and if there are more updates to follow. When people are new to this, they obviously don't know how Confessionals tend to go. There may be some I've had to practically BEG just to get them to say anything at various phases. But like I said, when you make posts each time, they tend to be very thorough and any follow-up question I might have was normally something you already touched on. That's what I meant about letting things "slide." Just the fact that I usually have more to say in Confessionals. Thankfully, yours is always "quotable" and I never have to dig for *soundbytes* from you, if that makes sense. Also...
Is your main goal not to make sure you win the game but to make sure Hunter loses? Granted, I know you feel your back is against the wall anyway, but do you feel like you're spinning wheels concentrating on that? You say you've been working on it for three days. Think that's 3 days you could have spent looking elsewhere for openings? Or have no potential openings shown themselves at all? |
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| Dave | Aug 10 2011, 10:41 PM Post #65 |
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My main goal will ALWAYS be to make sure I win. At this point, if I made the Finals I would win, hands down. I don't think I would even NEED Ace or Hunter's vote from a jury. I think I would have Crystal, Deena, Coach, and Scout. I could figure out a way to get another vote to ensure the win. Plus, it would likely take a long string of immunity wins and people should respect that. Anyway, yeah I'm still playing to win. Telling people how "heartbroken" I was about Hunter turning on me is also a strategy. I have to try to gain some trust from the others OR convince them that they can't trust Hunter. I'm not concentrating on screwing Hunter over just for the sake of screwing him over. I've been looking for openings anywhere I can, except with Hunter. I can't work with him because obviously the trust is gone there. AND if I tried to work with him, I'd look like such a hypocrite that I would prevent myself from winning anyway. I've gone to Jill, Frank, Crystal, and EVEN Ace to try and create an opportunity. Nothing is working because they are all confident that they are in a good position. I've thrown out the possibility of using me as a swing vote. I've said that I won't be able to make Sunday's challenge anyway, hoping that they would "connect the dots" and realize they could take out a bigger threat this time and just boot me on Sunday. I've buried the hatchet with Ace and tried to make him think he can't trust Hunter at all either. I told Jill and Frank to talk to each other about a Final 2. Before, I talked before to them and Crystal about putting their differences aside and taking out either Ace or Hunter. I told them all that their only chance to win is to take out one of those guys. So, yeah. I'm trying It's just nothing is working so far. I won't give up though. Even if I keep telling them ALL that I have given up. I've said that my "will to win" is gone, especially since I know I'll be gone Sunday no matter what. But, my "pride" would never let me give up. THAT is all bullshit. Of course I want to win. |
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| Dave | Aug 11 2011, 06:46 PM Post #66 |
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DangerZone: 08112011 Looks like I'm going to have to win the IC again tonight. I expected as much. Everyone seems way too confident in their position. They all claim that they only have a Final 4 alliance, but if that's the case you'd think they'd consider using me as a swing vote. Somebody is going home after me. That person apparently doesn't have a clue, or they would try to shake things up tonight. Cuz it's just a game right? You want to get to the end by any means necessary lolOne thing is certain: Danger Dave won't go out without a fight. My heart is my strongest entity. I bleed passion. I breathe motivation. They will HAVE to beat me tonight because I WILL NOT lay down for anyone. |
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| Dave | Aug 14 2011, 11:34 AM Post #67 |
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DangerZone: 08152011 Tonight is the night. The time for talk is almost over. It's win or go home for Danger Dave. I'd love to see these guys squirm tonight and have to eat one of their own. I'm been scrambling more than a Denny's cook on a Sunday morning these past few days. And I've definitely been hearing interesting things. Ace seems to think he's the odd man out of the "3 blind mice". I've been preaching to ALL of them that one will regret not working with me if they end up in 3rd place. It would be best to put it on the line tonight and go for the win. I'm really just looking for someone to work with me tonight if I DON'T win the challenge. Ace seems to be my best bet at this point. He has been the most forthcoming, whether it is an act or not. And Jill DID come to me last vote and tell me Ace was going home. Why him and not one of the others? Somebody had to throw Ace's name out there, which I immediately brought to his attention lol I thought before that Frank was the odd man out, but now I'm not so sure. He is SOOOOO complacent and doesn't give me anything. That's so stupid. Make some shit up man. Fool me. He's giving off the impression that he feels safe. It makes me want to try to work with someone else instead. But, I'll keep trying with all of them right up until the end. Hunter has been nice to me (kinda kissing my ass a little). That's fine, but it doesn't help me. Ace seems to think there is a chance they might try to vote him out tonight, but not let me know right away. Very true, but we shall see. There is also the issue that everyone seems to think I'd be unbeatable against a Final Jury. It's true, but I'm certainly doing everything in my power to convince them otherwise. The truth is, I may get every vote and win in a landslide, for reasons that I'll explain if I get that far. But, I've told everyone that I was never social with Gretchen, Scout and Jill, so I don't know that I could get their vote. Plus, I don't have a clue where Coach and Jamie stand. AND it's not often that people reward players who get there after an "immunity run", especially in a group full of hardcore strategists like this one. I pointed out that many people's Final Words have mentioned voting for the person who's played the best game and made big moves. I've actually done all those things, but I've tried to make it seem like I've just rode coattails and got lucky with some challenges. I also pointed out that if I don't win tonight, then my immunity run immediately gets diluted as an argument. Which is total bullshit. I really think that if I didn't win immunity tonight AND I somehow got someone to flip, THAT would be by far the biggest move of this game. Hopefully, they are too confused at this point to figure that out. But, they are bright guys so I'm not counting on it. Stay tuned tonight Survivor fans: it's gonna be interesting. |
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| Dave | Aug 21 2011, 11:00 AM Post #68 |
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DangerZone: 08212011 Well today's the day. This will officially be the last DZ because this is the last day here on the frigid mountain. I'm defintely going to miss this place, as it's become almost a second home to me. Even if it is literally the very last "first home" I would ever want on planet Earth (or any planet for that matter). As I've had a chance to just relax and enjoy the last few days here with Frank, we've been able to just have some fun. That was something that I really craved in this game because it was often difficult to talk about anything other than strategy. Truthfully, Frank's apparent craving for this fun played a small part in my decision to take him to the Final 2. I knew he would be good company and just really appreciate this time. But, as we all know, the game isn't over. I've won several challenges in this game, but there is one more remaining. It's the "Win over the Jury" challenge and it's for all the marbles. I feel like I've played a great game in so many ways. I've also had thoughts that it might be my destiny to win at certain points. So, I'd say it's my game to lose at this point. But, my mind isn't the one that is going to decide the victor; it's the 9 people sitting on that Jury. I've carefully constructed my opening speech to sum up what I've done here and why i deserve to win. But, they are in charge tonight, so I will be prepared for anything. This game is always about adaptation and tonight is no different. So, bring on the questions, comments, anger etc.... I'm ready. Danger Dave has left the Mountain. |
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| Teresa | Aug 22 2011, 12:56 PM Post #69 |
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In all honesty I would have stuck with whomever I aligned with at this point in the game. When my confessionals open up (And you can see already in Brobst confessionals), you'll see I was VERY eager to play with new people and I didn't hold long term loyalty to Yenisei. If the swap had worked ANY other way I would have been golden. Because I'm not highly active on public forums, I would guess aside from Ruth Marie, I was low on the list of Yens to target. If I had merged with any other combination of players (Crystal/Deena + 3 Yens) I would have made it to merge and further no matter if Crystal/Deena flipped or not. But as much as I felt comfortable with Scout, and Gretchen and Jill too, I enjoyed the dialogue more with you and Hunter and would have been inclined to work with y'all long-term. I kind of go against the grain and try to work with power players. The other two games I played of Brobst I did the same thing. First game it turned against me (turned on at F4) and the other it worked for me (won), but that's just the way I like to play. |
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| Jamie | Aug 23 2011, 12:31 AM Post #70 |
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:lol: oh these are great! That night though I supposably sold you out as a villain, that honestly was a mistake by me misreading what Crystal said to me and jumping ship too quickly to assume they were gunning for you. If anything I was protecting you by making sure you knew there was the chance, but obviously you got the toughe end of the stick as I misread it and I was wrong and the girls just assumed I was selling you out. I never made up lies of any sort for you or Hunter at that point! |
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If I thought Hunter's move was a great one, I would understand it more. But, I think that it could have been his downfall. Granted, a lot of these jury members are strategists like I mentioned, but I intend to screw over his chances as much as humanly possible. Hell, I've been working on it for 3 days lol.
You want to get to the end by any means necessary lol

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