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Welcome, Tyrion!; 3rd Place
Topic Started: May 28 2014, 11:12 PM (349 Views)
Margaery Tyrell
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Sept of Baelor
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I wonder if anyone ever told you how much I disliked you, Lady Margaery? I hated you for a very large part of this game. I only started caring for you after Renly was gone, before that, you were one of the people I wanted dead. I had no loyalty to you, I knew Sansa did, Bronn had some use for you as well. But you were never in my plans.


This seems absolutely silly considering we did not get to speak during the first portion of this game. Did you not claim to be this way with everyone for the most part because you were mostly focused on trying to survive Winterfell? Considering you and I did not cross each other's orbits until the merge, I see no reason why you would hate me. I was indifferent to you as we did not speak and you were not on my mind much at all until the merge.

Only caring for me after Renly leaves means there was only about, what, two or three rounds of the merge where you wanted me dead? It seems a bit of an over exaggeration on your part.

The news you had no loyalty to me is not surprising to anyone, Tyrion. You were exceedingly obvious in regards to that, and I mistrusted you the majority of the game as a result. Unfortunately we both needed to work together if either of us had a shot at winning. And it is not as if I did not try to make our relationship something more than it was, I was always quick on our ravens and open about what I wanted. It is not my fault Sansa and Bronn chose to lie to you about that vote. I do not believe I lied much at all to you about what I was doing.

And regardless of the fact they lied to you - it did not matter in terms of strategy. The fact that pushed you closer to them is as much a fault of your own as it is a fault of Sansa and Bronn. It is unfortunate but it is not as if you had no choice to use them. You knew they were winning. And they certainly were excellent shields and armor and vote sponges, or whatever you wish to call them.

But that only ensures you third, or if Joffrey was actually trying to win that duel, perhaps second. I would rather be voted out fifth or any position anyone else here was voted out in then be in the relationship you forged with Joffrey and Cersei.

I do not know what position you were getting, as I do not think any of us even discussed that. We were singularly focused on trying to stop this inevitable outcome from happening in the first place that who we sat with in the end seemed almost a secondary motive, since if we could not succeed against Joffrey and his mother than there was literally no point in wondering who we would sit next with.

To me, the differences between 8th and 3rd in this game, all of us who were apart in some manner of the plotting against the Lannisters or considered doing them in, is inconsequential. There was no pathway to winning without making this move, and so I do not care if I was the first one to die as a result or the last.

I do not understand your lack of regret, but I guess I understand preferring to play for an ally to win if you cannot.
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Renly Baratheon
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I literally have never done such a 180 on someone in like a single round lol
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Margaery Tyrell
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That being said, I do not dislike you personally, though I know I was quite terse my final round in the game. You were pleasant enough. I just found you strategically confusing.
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Bronn
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It WAS last minute. Well, the first one anyway. I could never have predicted Catelyn randomly turning on her tribe. Melisandre and I literally asked each other if we wanted to do it in the last three minutes of the voting window and I was down. She can confirm if she ever reads this.

You can be angry about it all you want, but you had basically ignored me the whole merge, except 30 minutes before every round to give me short recap PMs. I heard from you through Joffrey and Cersei telling me what you wanted, sometimes they even gave me feedback from you about ravens I had sent you and that you were ignoring. It was especially bad the merge weekend. I mean, I really wanted you to be my number 1 ally and that's what I wanted after the seven hells we went through pre-merge, but it was hard to trust you to actually be with me over Sansa and your relatives when we weren't even planning things together. When that's all I was waiting for since the moment I realized you were as amazing a Tyrion as I could have hoped for.

Even then I did have some loyalty to you, but I was very cautious. You might have been someone I could have trusted, little lord, but there was really no telling. And it was awful because I was telling you everything premerge when we were on those shitty tribes. You know I loved Robb Stark and had no relationship with your wife, but I sincerely didn't have any resentment when you chose her over you.

I wanted Joffrey out to avoid what we have right now (but I'm really glad that it is what's happenin' if I'm not the one sitting there, since I have so much respect for them). I tried, I failed. But afterwards I pretty much figured that me doing something on me own meant that you'd never trust me again, especially with the way you reacted afterwards. If your little set-up the round I was booted was your revenge for the two times I lied to you about my intentions of going after Joffrey, then so be it. It sucked, but I guess we're even.

I don't want to fight you at all. If you thought that I would have pissed on you tomorrow, you're a paranoid mess. I would have praised your opponent without really askin' any questions, then I would have addressed you and I would have given you a fair chance to win me vote if you could do as you always promised you'd do if I was tempted to sell out and doubled the offer. I did think you stood no chance at all against them though, but anyone can see that.
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Tyrion Lannister
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First of all, the reason I didn't care for you was because you were one of the people who didn't send me anything in those opening days. And Sansa and Bronn bitched about you some after the sorting, saying you promised to be with each of them in some capacity and then you flew to Highgarden moments after the event began. All I knew of you is what I heard, and your posts on the boards annoyed me to bits. I didn't care for you at all. So did comments you made in our Guildhall, the word fake and transparent were uttered about you quite a lot. Not just by me, but many others in the realm. I didn't have to speak with you at length, to be annoyed by you. Not to mention I detest Margaery on the show, so that weighed in on me as well.

I know there were other strategies I could take to avoid this outcome of the game. And no offense again, but at one point when I knew that my position would dictate somewhat of what happened at the end, I made the choice to see a Lannister win, not a Tyrell win. Not a Bronn win, even though I loved him deeply. I know that's foolish to you, and perhaps I should have gotten over some of my own frustrations with allies who went behind my back, but it seemed like a losing game for me anyway, so if I was choosing what my fate with be, I would chose the people who were loyal and honest with me.

And then you need to think about the dynamic, perhaps you don't know it fully? Let's say the round Bronn left, I did side with you guys. Which I did consider, honestly, had that extra vote been obtained by gold for us, or a challenge win, I could have considered it. I might have done it. My confessional and thought process that round wasn't simply like "I will just play these fools lol" I did weigh heavily on what I should do, it wasn't that simple for me. It was just the variables. I know that Bronn and Sansa had their own loyalties to me, and I know you spoke to me about giving yourself and myself a shot in the game. But that was not what I wanted.

And Sansa and Bronn were not close to each other. Bronn talked a massive amount of shit about you. I know I would have been in the middle of that. But it would have been you and Sansa vs. Bronn probably, and that was not something I wished to deal with if I turned. At least I knew Joffrey and Cersei were a pair together and I wouldn't have to wonder which wanted to target the either, with you three, that was a valid concern.

And I stand by the fact that Bronn handled me all wrong the time he "did" vote for Joffrey as a game move. His bullshit excuse of a last minute thing was ridiculous to me, I hope he admits that was bullshit now. Because I am not stupid. And other things he did, not believing me when I told him that Sansa told ME that Melisandre's true number one was Loras. Him thinking that I asked the red bitch to Champion Sansa, was something I plotted to fuck with his loyalty to her, or question it or whatever. It was not true. Add to that, the fact that at many points I gave him my full game, what I wanted, who I hated, who I loved and a laundry list of everything we could/should do together. And he repaid that by lying to me about his votes and intentions, and then completely ignoring me through the entire window. Leaving me to accuse him of treason, and just making it build up more. If he wanted to be with me, trusted me and everything, he should have just told me what was going on. As if I would be pissed? I get more pissed at being lied to, then I do when I'm told the truth. That should have been obvious after the first time.

As much as I cared for him, we had issues near the end. Issues I was rather emotional about, I know I played this game too emotionally. But I did everything here after a certain point to play with the devil you know, over the devil who became an opportunist and a liar. I'll just say this again, if I was dictating things and the outcome, I was doing it for those who stood loyal to me. I don't like when people play around me, and I didn't care for it here. Especially when Bronn did it.

Whether that frustrates you, that's your burden to deal with, Margaery. I won't apologize for the path I took. I have no reason to. Even if it happened and Cersei and Joffrey left the game, I don't think much would have changed for me. Actually, maybe then I would have been a threat people wanted dead at 3rd? Or maybe not, with Arena and this particular variation of Arena, I played the best with what I had.
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Margaery Tyrell
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It is too late for a slap fight. Though I will warn you little lord, I shall return tomorrow and read that and I might slap you very hard depending on its content!!!
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Tyrion Lannister
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Bronn, I apologize then for not believing that "Last minute" thing was a lie. That's my bad then. It just seemed awful shady, that you of all people and Sansa would confirm with me your votes and then it turns out you did something else. You have to see that from my side?

And with the merge and sending messages, yeah, I slacked pretty bad with everyone that weekend. After that week on Winterfell, which I talked to you a great deal about, I just couldn't put in here how I wished to. And even when I did, it was to focus on those who I didn't trust as much, who I needed to build some relations with and what have you. I even sucked at that. This game was taxing with the messages, I think everyone would agree with that.

But never did I not send you things because I was ignoring you or did not want to involve you in my plans. Again, PMing in this game was a huge chore. So many people here had amazing social games, it was difficult to keep up.
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Bronn
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To be fair, I did hate Margaery pre-merge. A lot. There was nothing worse than her "bubbly" posts when we were starving and eating each others flesh. And complaining about having to possibly face a hard vote for once. I didn't really expect her to have me on her tribe, actually, but Highgarden's little display at the tribe selection was horrible and her picking her tribe one second after 4:00:00 made her seem like the "brain" behind it.

And when Margaery acted like a little angry bitch after she was finally faced with a hard vote, I couldn't take it so I aired my dirty laundry with her and told her most of the things I told you, Tyrion, except less mean. It was intense, but at least we got over it. I still had moments where she made me want to shoot myself with a crossbow, like when she vanished and then posted all those stupid jokes in every thread when she came back, but overall, I learned to appreciate her and she was one of my closest allies in this game and probably one of my favorite relationships, as up and down as it was.
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Tyrion Lannister
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I told Sansa several times near the end, I thought you and Margaery were a proper pair. Even more after you both sent me those ravens with the "plan" for the round you left. I told her that it was dangerous for the two of us to play with the two of you. Granted, I know you played things off too. But at that point, if I did side with you both, there was still loyalty there. And I really think I made the choice that benefitted me in the end, since now I do believe I probably would have been in the Pit versus Joffrey if Cersei or him left that round? Not that it was possible. But where would have Sansa and I fit in? I wasn't going to get any better than 3rd or 4th with you either, or what?
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Bronn
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Oh and I did not even mention the advice on how to play my position I kept getting from Margaery and Brienne. Brienne was a likable gal, but she was the worse at that because she had no shame attempting to get me to trust Stannis and fucking Davos. Ugh, the Onion Knight sucked so much.
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Tyrion Lannister
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Stannis and Davos were horrible. But no one was as stupid and retarded as Varys.
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Tyrion Lannister
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I am still kind of pissed that some of my favorite characters were so unlike how they should be. Besides Tyrion, Cersei and Bronn. I love Varys and Littlefinger and we were deprived of proper showings from either of them. Remember my theory about Baelish? That would have been amazing if it were true.
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Tyrion Lannister,May 29 2014
02:01:40 AM
I told Sansa several times near the end, I thought you and Margaery were a proper pair. Even more after you both sent me those ravens with the "plan" for the round you left. I told her that it was dangerous for the two of us to play with the two of you. Granted, I know you played things off too. But at that point, if I did side with you both, there was still loyalty there. And I really think I made the choice that benefitted me in the end, since now I do believe I probably would have been in the Pit versus Joffrey if Cersei or him left that round? Not that it was possible. But where would have Sansa and I fit in? I wasn't going to get any better than 3rd or 4th with you either, or what?

No, as soon as Melisandre left, as wrecked as my game was, if I was able to pick up the pieces, I would have tried to get there with you, unless you went after me of course.

That was farfetched, though, because I realistically expected Joffrey to win every night and that my game would mostly become to survive so that we'd both be in the final 2 even if he didn't want it. It was very unlikely to ever happen, but I wasn't going to give up.

If I had all the power, I would have gone with you. I did have a deal with Margaery, but I knew it was a lost cause. She had the first three jurors and going there with her would have meant me pissing more people off than she would have to, so I never really considered it as a good end game for me. If I didn't care about winning, I wouldn't have turned against your lions since I enjoyed them more than most.

So aye, you did have my loyalty.
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Tyrion Lannister,May 29 2014
02:04:16 AM
I am still kind of pissed that some of my favorite characters were so unlike how they should be. Besides Tyrion, Cersei and Bronn. I love Varys and Littlefinger and we were deprived of proper showings from either of them. Remember my theory about Baelish? That would have been amazing if it were true.

Aye, I do. Though even if he was some sort of secret mastermind, he didn't have the Machiavellian charm or anything remotely close. He's one of the characters I would have loved to play too.

Varys was an idiot to be fooled by Arya, but at least his ravens were 100% in character and you could read his text with his voice. I'll forever be thankful that he was such a lumpy safety cushion on Dragonstone, and I'm sure that the Stark mam feels the same, aye?
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Bronn
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Oh and Margaery, don't be upset. You remind me of my little sister. She's a little pest that one, but at the end of the day, I still have lots of love for the bitch. You really grew on me, little fungus.
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