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| Final Tribal Council; Clara vs. Dr. Donovan | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 28 2012, 11:34 AM (3,989 Views) | |
| Rico | Jun 28 2012, 04:12 PM Post #16 |
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**2. Did you really believe it when you told me Zzy and Beata did not deserve to make the end because they are not good people or was that a lie on your part. I left a word out in the above post |
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| Dr. Donovan | Jun 28 2012, 04:15 PM Post #17 |
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Stacey I really missed you girl. It seems like it's been forever since my last tip. At this point I think I will have to write you a fat check I think. ![]() As for my main ally, I can tell you that I actually never told Clara about my first idol. :lol: I told you almost immediately and I waited until merge to give Stefan the heads up. Like I said, I usually never tell more than one person and that person was you. I was debating internally who I would tell between you and Stefan because you were my early favorites, but you asked first so you got the scoop! As for my relationship with Clara, I loved her too. She was someone I knew I could count on forever and I always suspected you and Stefan to be a bit closer. I wasn't going to pull a move on you two until end game, but I did want to go there with Clara because I thought that going to the F3 with you and Stefan would set my up to 3rd place. But those were really distant thoughts. Even though I was ultimately more loyal to Clara, I was still closer to you and Stefan. We sent more PMs, they were longer and had more substance. Us three were definitely the power trio of the Staffers. When you two left, obviously the Doclara Romber storyline began because we were in power every time and nobody could do anything about it. Good question! Hmmm obviously personal preference would be you and Stefan. But that vote would have killed me so I guess I would have left it up to FTC performance. :lol: And obviously, if I knew it would be a landslide either way, I would pity vote for the loser because I loved you both so much. In terms of the game storyline (not personal preference and trying to be as unbiased as possible)... probably Stefan and Zzy since two powerhouses from opposite sides facing each other would be an epic ending, I suppose? In that case I would vote Stefan out of love. Thanks Stacey! Don't disappear please.
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| Clara | Jun 28 2012, 04:17 PM Post #18 |
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Hey Stacey! stafferpwnage it is i fucking know babe, we rocked that shit and we raped this game in the butt.. not just me and doc are in the final two, the STAFFERS are in the final two about why i sent you away.. you were an amazing social player and EVERYONE liked you, no exceptions, and i can totally see why because your sweet as shit.. that was dangerous for me too though, since you were also cutting fake (or side) deals with rico and quinlan, i should have known better, but it made me think, am i really special to her or is she just nice to me like she is to everybody? i knew stefan was your main ally, yes did i not like being kept out of captain quarters? yes.. you guys went in there and did not even breathe one word about it to me, how is that supposed to make me trust you? i know we were in a battle against the vacationers, but when i had to pick between you and ivanka it naturally already was established that a staffer had to leave, you were a dynamic player, i felt like i always had to keep an eye out for you, and i was already busy enough trying to deal with the vacationers, you cutting side deals did not help at all either i can understand you hate me for picking ivanka, but you're thinking too emotionally right now.. be rational and you will see for yourself that that was the only right decision to me.. you both weren't challenge beasts, ivanka is a fucking sweetheart and i felt like i could trust her a 100% you say that you were gonna honor our f2 deal, but i wasn't the only one you made f2 deals with.. in your same post you tell doc you wanted final three with him and stefan... you know what i mean?? :lol: you have to tell me about the item i supposedly lied to you about though? because seriously i have no fucking idea what you are talking about.. i dont remember lying to anybody at all... |
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| Clara | Jun 28 2012, 04:20 PM Post #19 |
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and also thanks for recognizing that i played this game with balls babe
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| Stacey | Jun 28 2012, 04:30 PM Post #20 |
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The arrow item or w/e! :lol: Yes I did want a F3 with Doc and Stefan but I still wanted you around because you were also a option for me and we also stood a better chance against each other. I only had three F2 deals girl, it was you three. That's it! ![]() Great answers and Good Luck! I love you guys <3 |
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| Rico | Jun 28 2012, 04:37 PM Post #21 |
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Do not believe her lies she is badmouthing you both in the jury house. |
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| Clara | Jun 28 2012, 04:39 PM Post #22 |
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beata has played a great utr game and did a great job of surviving despite her tribe turning against her.. she was quick to adapt to the situations and make new alliances, she had covers in zzy and rico.. comparable to my game, except for the challenge skills.. she played a great game, people were always mentioning zzy and rico and before that carl to vote out.. she sneaked right to the very end without problems zzy played a similiar game, she has lost allies and managed to recharge and make new ones, but beata was always save till the final 3 so i pick beata over her, rico was a smart, sneaky player.. he was speedy as shit.. he turned two sides against each other to stay save and kept his options open.. he was a legitimate threat and creative.. he had motherfuckers confused like whoooaaa glen played a good utr game as well, but i think beata faced bigger obstacles and she managed to get perfectly aligned.. against her initial tribe since one of zzy/beata would be enough in the f2 (you guys know what the fuck i mean) i say the next best final two would have been beata vs. rico and i would pick beata to win, because up to the f3 she managed to keep herself safe and she faced big obstacles |
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| Lieutenant Malarkey | Jun 28 2012, 04:39 PM Post #23 |
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Save your commentary for the Jury house, Rico. |
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| Dr. Donovan | Jun 28 2012, 04:40 PM Post #24 |
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Thanks Ellie! I am really shocked as well, but surviving all these rounds has made this experience even more unique for me so I wouldn't change anything. But like I said, the CQ did not favor me as much as it kind of seems. My arsenal was pretty impressive, but like I said in my opening statement, there were two items of mine that really affected the game: The Retroactive Format Changer (didn't get from the CQ) and the Power Stealer (got half of it from Carl). My other items were: Format Changer (wasted) Idol #1 (wasted) Idol #2 (didn't play) Challenge Disadvantage (I would have lost anyway) Challenge Advantage #1 (Lost the challenge) Challenge Advantage #2 (Didn't need it) One Round Immunity (Would have been in the top half (I played along)) So yes, that's an impressive arsenal and if I had relied on it completely, then saying that I just relied on luck to get here wouldn't be unfair, but it wasn't really the case, I don't think. But yes, we just never really got to connect and that's sad because I thought you were nice, it just never really worked out. I think you should vote for a challenge whore because when I signed up for this game, I knew that challenges would basically determine the outcome of this game. You win power and you own power for a round. So there are two strategies to get far in a game like this one. A) You and your allies win everything and dictate the allure of the game or B ) If you can't win then you make sure that whoever does won't go after you. I usually go for B because relying on A is way too risky, but the second we merged, I knew that some lunatic would flip and request my boot. So I knew I was in some big shit and I couldn't just expect people to save me ever. So that's why I went all out, because A was my best option. Strategically, I did a lot better than Clara, I was in a lot of alliances. Some amounted to pretty much nothing, some helped a bit. There was a cross-tribal alliance with Glen, Rico and Quin which I won't even take any credit for since I wasn't the one who put it together, but I thought I managed the situation well. I knew that they were all closer to Stefan and that if by some freak accident, he'd leave (which he did), they would have no reason to help me much longer, so I decided to just sell that alliance out to Zzy and blame the Vagicide on it. I think it really fractured the Vacationers + Flippers. Zzy became much more loyal to Beata/Elektra, which lead to Carl not being chosen in the second Conga Line Round, which lead to Carl flipping the next round. I don't think I am an extraordinary mastermind, obviously, but as far as moves go, that was a good one. As for Pokemons, I am not too familiar with anything beyond Gen II, but I guess Mewtwo in Gen I when Psychic types were broken? He's an ugly fuck that is a complete douchebag but then has a random redemption arc in the first movie. Showing that there is good in ugly shits. Thanks, Ellie! |
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| Clara | Jun 28 2012, 04:41 PM Post #25 |
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arrow item? what is that? :lol: i stand by it babe, i never lied to you |
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| Clara | Jun 28 2012, 04:52 PM Post #26 |
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doc had to put up much bigger effort than me to get here i got here easier than he did this game is not about challenges only, in fact a social game is much more important.. doc was a challenge threat AND a jury threat, all game ive never been a jury threat and became a challenge threat at the end of the game.. he could not afford a misstep, i could afford one had we not won power ONCE in the last seven rounds he would have gone before me and the format changer i played at f4 secured me immunity for that round, and when doc won that i basically had secured f2 already, he didn't, he had to win the final two challenges, i put myself in a position i didnt have to, i didnt even have to play the last challenge plus he got much more lucky with his chest picks than me, i got a rifle piece, a nullifier, a fucking format changer.. he got idols and power stealers strategically i feel like i was always a step ahead |
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| Clara | Jun 28 2012, 04:56 PM Post #27 |
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moltres because im a hot bird thats legendary as fuuuucckkkk |
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| Dr. Donovan | Jun 28 2012, 05:00 PM Post #28 |
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I am lazy in general, so I can't really promise I would have been THAT much more outstanding had I been able to give my all. But I think I already explained why I sucked at the merge in my FC and Opening Statement. I had an idol and I knew that Oskar was hell bent on going against me. So the last thing I wanted was to charm people and have deals offered to me that would make me doubt the idol move. I didn't PM people the first day except like Kendall and somewhat Zzy and even Zzy, I basically sent her to hell after a while. I really wanted to Roger Sexton it and then use the idol and I tried to just appear to be an idiotic tool who would just not know better than to lose his shit. I didn't expect to win the RFC at all because of my work schedule. When I did, however, I began answering you guys for real. Yes, I was still not the fastest answerer, but at that point I was the same with my allies. Like I would come back from a 10 hour shift and feel bad as fuck when I would see three PMs in my inbox from Stefan and 2 from Stacey, because I just couldn't have gotten back to them in time. That was not strategy or laziness. I honestly just come to a board and have like 30 minutes to answer everything and then I have to leave again. So I know that with someone like you who has a different style than me with PMs (shorter messages but faster responses), I just couldn't deliver. The Vacationers had a lot of people like you so that's the main reason why I was a bit lackluster and I apologize for it, your way isn't bad at all, it's just hard for me to basically deliver. Zzy was the only Vacationer I really got to PM as much as I wanted because we sent longer PMs and could cover more with less. As for the last question, I think it's not as simple as you might think and I will show you the last PM from Oskar to give you an idea of what I mean:
So if anything, he respected the fact that I was honest with him and just wanted to keep up the rivalry for his own trollish amusement, but what's to say that he wouldn't have voted me? I have no idea honestly, he was an unpredictable one. But if he really was set on voting for anyone but me and I won 6-5 with Quinlan's vote, then it would definitely be in the back of my mind. Hopefully just winning would be able to overcome it, but I know that it would stay a concern for me. However, I also know that if I lost because of that troll, I would be pissed and hate the world. Very good, yet very hard question to answer, Purple (Yellow?) Rico... Hopefully it won't come down to that. Thanks! |
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| Clara | Jun 28 2012, 05:10 PM Post #29 |
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hey purple ricoooo i agree, i played the best game i could with the cards i had 1 well i think thats a wrong question to ask, its not about what i would have done here or there, its about if i played a better all around game than doc, i think i did, i refer you to my answer to ellie on that one buuut if we are looking at this hypothetically i would have done the same, id play the same game with stefan as i did with doc, they are both challenge beasts who are big threats, not much changes there i played this game with my heart and with my intuition, intrinsically all aspects of the game are in my head when i make certain moves, i didnt even fully remember how the exact landscape of the game was at the time oskar left, i cant tell you what i would have done, id have to be in that situations with all micro elements of the game back then to consider 2 at the time my emotions might have gotten the best of me, i was pissed off at zzy for giving me the wrong name, you instead of quinlan who she apparently really wanted to vote off.. i was pissed off at her, so it might have not been rational, but if was definitely not a lie at the time.. but after thinking about it i think they both played a great game and a f2 would have been well deserved (see my answer to stacey) |
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| Clara | Jun 28 2012, 05:11 PM Post #30 |
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to elaborate, i didnt tell you they weren't good people, i think they played the easy way, but in retrospect that is nothing but a strategical strength you told me they didnt deserve it as well, did YOU mean it?
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I really did love you two so I can't do the whole bitter thing. It's stupid, both of you are likely to catch some shit though because of your "social games" well Stacey has something to say. I was aligned with you both and I wouldn't change a damn thing about my time spent with you two +Stefan + Ivanka. I loved our core THAT much so just be proud of yourselves. You two deserve it! I do have some questions/statements. 




You see, the only aspect of your game I saw was that you are a challengebeast. The format obviously favored you with the CQ and the dispension of items... and yeah, I don't like that
On the other hand you were clearly dominating, and everyone in the jury lodge if fanning over how awesome you are, which I really didn't get to see, and your transition from complete douchebag to a nice guy fascinates me too. My question is to you: Why should I vote for a challengewhore? Honestly, I haven't seen any other layer to your game, and even your opening was only focused on... nothing basically. So please tell me what you did better than Clara strategically - not socially, or challengewise. 
7:48 PM Jul 10