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Final Tribal Council; Clara vs. Dr. Donovan
Topic Started: Jun 28 2012, 11:34 AM (3,988 Views)
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Congrats on the final 2, fellow staffers! I am proud of you for making it to the finale! I wondered what would of happened if I wasn't out of town the day I left, and happened to win the duel. :( Oh well, thats in the past now.

Clara: You, other than Stefan was my greatest friend in this game. I always knew no one was going to take me to the final 3, other than maybe Stefan. My question to you is, were you going to take me to the final 3 (Before only me you and Doc were left).
Also, I can't remember if I told you I was going to be gone all that weekend I left. Another question, more of a fun one, was did you consider sending Doc into the duel KNOWING he is a much better challenge force, and was Actually there for the challenge, and the chances of all 3 of us making final 6 were Great?

Doc: The challenge God, we never really were close, all we ever talked about was strategy, and it seemed all the time you wanted to play what was best for you, when I was making moves for myself. I don't really have any questions for you, other than you did ROCK this game strategically and challenge wise, so good on you! :)

I'll base my votes on how each of you answer everyone's questions. Good Luck Bitches. :wub:
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Thank you Ivanka <3 I am glad we made you proud!
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Ivanka,18:26:31 - June 28th
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Clara: You, other than Stefan was my greatest friend in this game. I always knew no one was going to take me to the final 3, other than maybe Stefan. My question to you is, were you going to take me to the final 3 (Before only me you and Doc were left).
Also, I can't remember if I told you I was going to be gone all that weekend I left. Another question, more of a fun one, was did you consider sending Doc into the duel KNOWING he is a much better challenge force, and was Actually there for the challenge, and the chances of all 3 of us making final 6 were Great?


Hey Ivanka, I really missed you babe :wub:

to answer your question, yes i totally would have taken you to the final three with me, why wouldn't i? my relationship with you wasn't just business, more than that i fucking loved you and i think you're a sweetheart

strategically AND on a personal level I would have taken you, you were perfect for me

you hadnt told me you were gonna be gone :( in fact i was kinda worried because you disappeared without warning..

YES, i strongly considered sending doc into duel, but when he told me he wanted to be saved in the challenge thread, i was forced to send you

it would have killed my game to send him while you weren't even here, he was my shield and he was driving me straight to the end, strategically and rationally it was a no-brainer, i had to send you.. but best believe my ideal f2 opponent would have been you, on a personal AND strategical level

I really do love you babe


I still haven't raped you though wtffffff
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also rico, i havent played a natalie whitesque game at all
i dont see the comparison at all

i won my share of immunities, i strategized
i was a big time player

i was all out there and i was under the radar, i was a threat and a goat at the same time
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Hello! Long time no see ;__;

For starters, I do want to give the necessary congratulations to both of you. I firmly believe that anyone who makes it to the end of the game deserves to be there, and this case is no exception. Congrats and good luck to you both. Also, Doc, I don't think you're Russel and Clara, I don't think you're Natalie. I was just looking for a way to save myself last night alol :wub:


I'll start with Doc. Oh Doc. So much to say. First of all: Why do you hate people? [/Cha] lol :P But for real now. I think you played a hard and heavy game from start to finish. You were willing to make big moves and went balls out at times, and I respect that. However, you relied HEAVILY on challenges and items from Captain's Quarters to get you where you are. You know that, and you've addressed that. I got ZERO advantages from Captain's Quarters besides Voting Rights from Ivanka, yet I still made Final 3. You got there with the help of constant advantages, immunities, and shit that was handed to you (from Carl). The highlight of your gameplay is the physical aspect, and IMO that's the least important one, and why I threw challenges until the end. It only truly works if it can be backed up by brilliant strategy and social skills. Sure, you had a lot of control, but that doesn't necessarily translate into strategic mastermind/social god. I'm not looking to give someone who challenge whored their way to the end my vote to win.

Also, I understand that you don't like me. I really didn't like you either :lol: You said that I was hard to communicate with, but I think we had this problem because of our mutual disliking for our each other. I had great conversations and friendships elsewhere. I just never knew what to say to you. And as much as you want to downplay your arrogance, condescending attitude, and ego as a shtick, I'm still convinced that some of it was real. Particularly these comments:

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How can you people sincerely forget to label your shit?

I slipped up and forgot to label my format changer. I'll never forgive myself :rolleyes:

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Is Beata seriously not even able to quote something?

Thank God this thing is over.

I was actually working on the puzzle and a few pieces away from finishing it when Zzy posted the answer. So Clara got to it first. I'm perfectly capable, obviously I'm able to quote all these posts that pissed me off amirite?

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I am pretty disgusted with myself, though, thanks for the PMs during the voting window, Beata. Your social game has me wowed.

You could have EASILY PM'd me during that window too, so don't jump all over me for that. And your social game was worse than mine, sorry.

Overall, and even in your FC for me, you seemed to genuinely think I was dumb and stupid. So you treated me like I was dumb and stupid, and that's not okay with me. Had you treated me differently, you might have had a better chance at getting my vote, but now it's up in the air.

So, my questions for you are--

Do you think you'd still be sitting there if it weren't for your items?

What is the biggest highlight of your respective social and strategic games?

Also, please don't downplay this mini-rant as me being a bitter bitch. I promise you, I am not. :)




Now, for Clara. Clara, I do like you more than I like Doc, that's for sure. But that doesn't mean you have my vote locked because I think he *MAY* have played a better game than you, still trying to decide. I respect your strategy of using covers like Doc and Stefan to get you where you are, because that's the same strategy I had :wub:. And perhaps the reason I like you the most is because you're able to make me laugh. I don't know if you feel the same way about me, but that's hands-down the way I feel about you. Maybe I just have a childish sense of humor, idfk. I will now list my favorite CQ's (Clara quotes).

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holy fuck you're awkward

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hey bitch whats up. i havent seen your ass lately why you been so quiet. what happened you hurt your ass?

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I'm gonna masturbate before I sleep.

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Then after that I'll finish up and kiss you on your ass

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bitch shut up and put your tongue in my ass

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holy shit babe. lol why did yall pile the votes on me i thought we enjoyed eating each other's asses out wtfffff

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sorry bitch never knew ya

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wtffff


I aloled just posting those. So as far as OUR social interactions go, you clearly beat out Doc. However, you did rely on him heavily to get you where your at, but you don't deny that. It was indeed a strategy. You coattailed your way to the end, but you did it the RIGHT way. And on top of that, you're arguing your case very well. One criticism I have is your call-outs. You did try to stir the pot a little, and caused drama, and I don't think that's ever a smart thing to do unless you're just trying to be memorable.

So what I want to know from you--

What is the biggest strategic move you made that didn't involve Doc or Stefan?

Do you think you can win against Doc?



Two very lopsided addresses, I know. But I assure you both, I wouldn't have bothered making a statement if my vote was already decided. Again, good luck and a job well done to both of you.
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What's up guys? I've gotta get going real soon so I wanna get this out of the way first but no rush. I won't make you guys work to hard, that's everyone else's job.

First I want to say congrats to both of you. I personally think you were both amazing albeit in different ways and I have nothing but respect and love for you both. I think all in all, this game was incredibly played by almost everyone and had a ton of good and deserving players and you two making it to the finals is very impressive.

DOC, you were a close friend of mine for a lot of the game and your strategic mind is something I seriously admire a ton. People had a lot of hate for you for your social game or a cockiness but I always saw it as a schtick and I sorta loved you for it. Playing with you and bouncing ideas off you was a pleasure and though you are no doubt an excellent player, you were also a hell of a friend. I guess people have given you crap for your social game and relying on challenges but I do find it difficult to hold it against you that you just raped everyone in competitions. You worked your ass off and I know it but for the hell of it, my question is as follows:

What was your backup plan assuming you weren't immune for essentially the F9 or so on?

Sorry I forgot I have another one: Did you actually believe Rico when he said he was voting for me or were you saving Clara regardless?

CLARA, we had some good sex chats at the start and I guess at the merge I began concentrating on too many people so our communication fell through and I was always closer to Stacey, Doc and Ivanka than to you but I still think you're amazing and a riot. I thought your game was very impressive and I loved more than anything your attitude when trying to get Rico out at the Quinlan boot. My respect for you as a player grew exponentially after that and I do believe you placed yourself very well in the tribe and played a very effective subtle game. My question to you is as follows:

Had you been in the scenario that you won the final immunity (forget about the fact that you "threw" it), who do you think you would have had a better shot at winning against and why?

Thanks guys, again you both deserve the moniker "the Magnificent" far more than I do and you both are deserving winners. Playing with you was amazing and I loved this game with every fiber of my being.

I also haven't read everyone's questions so if they have been asked already simply respond with "STFU you stupid fuck"
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Beata,19:29:46 - June 28th
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Now, for Clara. Clara, I do like you more than I like Doc, that's for sure. But that doesn't mean you have my vote locked because I think he *MAY* have played a better game than you, still trying to decide. I respect your strategy of using covers like Doc and Stefan to get you where you are, because that's the same strategy I had :wub:. And perhaps the reason I like you the most is because you're able to make me laugh. I don't know if you feel the same way about me, but that's hands-down the way I feel about you. Maybe I just have a childish sense of humor, idfk. I will now list my favorite CQ's (Clara quotes).

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holy fuck you're awkward

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hey bitch whats up. i havent seen your ass lately why you been so quiet. what happened you hurt your ass?

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I'm gonna masturbate before I sleep.

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Then after that I'll finish up and kiss you on your ass

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bitch shut up and put your tongue in my ass

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holy shit babe. lol why did yall pile the votes on me i thought we enjoyed eating each other's asses out wtfffff

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sorry bitch never knew ya

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wtffff


I aloled just posting those. So as far as OUR social interactions go, you clearly beat out Doc. However, you did rely on him heavily to get you where your at, but you don't deny that. It was indeed a strategy. You coattailed your way to the end, but you did it the RIGHT way. And on top of that, you're arguing your case very well. One criticism I have is your call-outs. You did try to stir the pot a little, and caused drama, and I don't think that's ever a smart thing to do unless you're just trying to be memorable.

So what I want to know from you--

What is the biggest strategic move you made that didn't involve Doc or Stefan?

Do you think you can win against Doc?



Two very lopsided addresses, I know. But I assure you both, I wouldn't have bothered making a statement if my vote was already decided. Again, good luck and a job well done to both of you.

heey babe what is uuuuppp
im so glad you recognize real and enjoy my style babe, you know how i feel about you too, i mean look at those messages, we were trying to vote each other the fuck out and then we ate each other's asses out like nothing even happend

your ass tasted like cherries and ive been craving cherries a lot lately

about being memorable, i admit i wanted to play a memorable game with a memorable character.. i wanted there to be one clara.. that people would remember her, its kind of like an art to me

the biggest strategic moves i made that didnt involve them are giving up immunity at little sister to save ivanka, plus keeping her over stacey

you and zzy would have voted her out 2-1 if i hadnt done that, am i correct? my initial plan was to throw an extra vote in there to prevent that, i thought ivanka was voting with me and i didnt trust you and zzy to be on our side.. if ivanka would vote rico it would be 2-2 if you guys tried to save him, and doc would break the tie and send him home.. by being an extra vote i tried to have you guys acknowledge that to force you to side with us, which would cause a rift between you and zzy and quinlan-glen

that way i could have worked with you guys or quinlan-glen by exposing you two as dangerous middle players

it was extremely pausible ivanka was just voting rico with me, and if the expectable had happened that would have given me those options

and voting off stacey because had i voted off ivanka instead i would never be here now, my social radar told me that stacey-stefan was a couple and i was right, remember stacey's sig right after she was voted out, and right after stefan was voted out?
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Doclara, first of all congrats on getting to the end - while I was pulling for Zzy/Beata to pull off the seemingly impossible and make it, I cannot discount how much you guys fucked the shit out of this game up and down the street and back again. Like Stacey said, there's a lot of criticism of your respective social games but as far as I'm concerned I thought that while I wasn't particularly tight with either of you, I always had good conversations going on with both of you, and neither of you really fed me too much bullshit. I appreciated your bluntness and that neither of you were asshats to me just because I was on the "other side."

Individually now!

Clara - Omg, like Beata said, maybe I'm just inherently a 12 year old but you cracked me the fuck up from start to finish. I always laughed at your drug & sex-crazed persona, and in a game like this where some folks are just GAMEBOT GAMEBOT GAMEBOT it was refreshing as hell. I wish we could have forged something together, and the only reason I didn't try was because I voted you out and I knew you knew I did. I was going to ask if you've raped Ivanka yet, but you already answered that. I think one of the biggest moves of your game, that even DoDo didn't do, was giving up your immunity for voting rights at the Little Sister F8. If you had not done that, then regardless of who won the PoV challenge we would've sent Ivanka's ass out of here. My question for you is, why did you switch to a format that guaranteed a F2 over a F3 last night?

Doc - You are a challenge monster, holy shit! I understand why people find you douchey but the only time I did was after I came back from Arena having cast 2 votes against you. Understandable, lol, and I was impressed that you chose not to use your HoH to exact revenge against me; some folks would have played stupidly and done the opposite. I think one of the biggest moves of your game was when you SOMEHOW got Carl to gift you the Power Stealer after Nursey sent him to die. Maybe it was just Carl being senile, but it really decided the rest of the game, and some kudos has to go to you for that. Without that precious gift, would you have been screwed at F8, or did you have something else up your sleeve at the time? Also, did you ever consider giving up your immunity for voting rights after stealing said power?

Good luck to you both, it was frustrating to see you two win ALL THE TIME these past few weeks but I still had a blast.
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Beata,19:29:46 - June 28th
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Do you think you can win against Doc?




the sky is the limit
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Okay first of all, I already explained in my answer to Ellie how most of my items didn't do anything at all. It was mostly a running joke for me. However, there are two items that did do something. The first Retroactive Format Changer, but that's not something I got out of luck. The spam challenge wasn't skill, it was really just will power, in my opinion. Everyone knew what item was up for grabs and what it would do. I definitely earned that. Plus, that item wasn't only beneficial for me. It was just as helpful to Stefan, Stacey, Ivanka and yes, Clara.

The Second was the Power Stealer. Would I have left without it? Possibly. I mean, Quinlan was after me and had the power to break the tie. I was very vulnerable that night. I think Clara would have picked me to vote and Ivanka would have had an automatic vote. I'm not sure how that would have worked with the extra voter. Would there still be a challenge for voting rights and just an extra voter or would the challenge be canceled? I don't know. But I suspect Clara would have given up her immunity. So we would have had three Staffers votes in there. You know, there is a chance that Ivanka would have been tempted to vote me off. It was really up to her and a decision I wasn't willing to take at the time. Finally, Rico said on his way out that he wouldn't have voted me out, so if he was truthful when he said that, I don't think I would have left. But I won't pretend that I was not vulnerable, I was, which is why I chose to play the Power Stealer that round. And you accuse me of sucking because I relied on power wins, but if I left that round, it would have been because the person who was after me the most, allegedly, was in power and had tiebreaker rights, so that argument works both ways.

Besides that, my items didn't affect anything. If anything, I wish I never got those idols, I wish I never got that immunity. They did nothing to me except make people think that my game was all about luck and items.


I don't hate anybody, by the way. Even Oskar. Yes, he was frustrating, but that's it. I loved this experience and I loved this cast in general for making the game enjoyable.


Also, if this was a regular Survivor game, of course I would agree that the physical aspect isn't important. But this is the game where you can nominate two players for eviction, this is the game where you can send someone to the arena and start the line pick. This is the game where placing in the top half allows you to be safe and save the person of your choice. This is the game where you can select one of the three voters by placing in the top 2 of a challenge. This is the game where you have arenas as a safety net. So I just don't agree that challenges aren't that important. I agree that relying solely on challenges is dumb, but because you can't win them all. If you have no social or strategic game and the only thing you have going for you is challenge strength, then you will fuck up when you gain power, I don't think I did. I used all the opportunities I had to my benefit because I knew what needed to be done. I am also a very loyal ally, so I personally couldn't just throw everything and watch them die at the hand of others knowing that I could have saved them had I been in power. So yes, we do play differently, I wasn't going to throw because I am competitive and I trust my good judgement above all else.


Those quotes you posted were not me being in shtick, you are right. I am a sarcastic asshole in general, but I don't mean to be mean and hurtful. It's something I just always do... If sarcasm is arrogance, then I'm guilty I guess.

I will address the third one, though. I apologize for it and you are right about it being a two-way street. I was actually disgusted with myself because I was voting out someone I really liked and enjoyed and someone who tried really hard to get me to spare her over you, someone I was just not close to at all. I went for strategy over heart and I felt bad about it, that's all.

I also answered the Strategic part in Ellie's question. :lol: I was definitely not passive at all strategically and I never just said: Whatever, I don't care. I will win the challenge anyway :) I always tried to work the options I have and I always try to create new ones. If I wasn't open-minded, I would have stopped talking to Zzy early merge, but we kept a good rapport and exchanged a lot of strategy-filled PMs. I even got to try to pull something with Carl, but sadly, I realized how great he was a bit too late. I never shut a door down. I really don't get why you think that my strategical game sucked... It's not like I did blunder after blunder in this game, I did what I had to. Socially, I understand the criticism from you. We just never got along, I think. I liked you initially, but like I said, you always go in such tangents that I never know where to start when I'm answering your PMs. But yes, my bad, I could have tried harder with you, I will not even deny that. However, I don't think my social game was pure shit. I mean, I was in a core three alliance with Stefan and Stacey. Yes, they were closer to each other, but I was still close to them, two very capable social players, so I don't think I did everything wrong. So my biggest social accomplishment in this game was getting myself at the core of the Staffers' dynamics, even though there was some people who targeted me hard from the get go and I was easy to outcast.


I think that's about it, I will reread your post and see if I missed anything. :lol:
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Oh, I don't think you're dumb and stupid. Just dumb. ^_^


Just kidding. I'm not the kind of person who pegs everything that is against him as dumb and stupid. Obviously we were just in a big disagreement about everything in life and I'm okay with that alol.
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