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cactusjon
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Dec 15 2017, 12:11 PM
Salah will be missing chances, like others, but all the chances won't fall to him... And others... if there is an out and out striker?
Again - read what I was replying to. It specifically referred to a striker scoring the chances Salah missed.

So which striker should we get in?
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A striker that wouldn’t have scored 19 goals by mid December that Salah has.

Would Liverpool right this moment of time be higher up the table had they spent double what Salah cost on either Moratta or Lukaku ? I personally doubt that very much.

Team scores enough overall. Problems rise elsewhere.
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cactusjon
Dec 15 2017, 12:15 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 12:11 PM
Salah will be missing chances, like others, but all the chances won't fall to him... And others... if there is an out and out striker?
Again - read what I was replying to. It specifically referred to a striker scoring the chances Salah missed.

So which striker should we get in?
Aubi - he is ideal for us imo.
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John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 04:52 PM
cactusjon
Dec 15 2017, 12:15 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 12:11 PM
Salah will be missing chances, like others, but all the chances won't fall to him... And others... if there is an out and out striker?
Again - read what I was replying to. It specifically referred to a striker scoring the chances Salah missed.

So which striker should we get in?
Aubi - he is ideal for us imo.
That'll be the guy who scores a goal every 3.7 shots, as opposed to Salah who scores for every 4 shots. Yeah, that 0.3 shots will make all the difference.......
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cactusjon
Dec 15 2017, 06:08 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 04:52 PM
cactusjon
Dec 15 2017, 12:15 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 12:11 PM
Salah will be missing chances, like others, but all the chances won't fall to him... And others... if there is an out and out striker?
Again - read what I was replying to. It specifically referred to a striker scoring the chances Salah missed.

So which striker should we get in?
Aubi - he is ideal for us imo.
That'll be the guy who scores a goal every 3.7 shots, as opposed to Salah who scores for every 4 shots. Yeah, that 0.3 shots will make all the difference.......
I'm inclined to believe it makes all the difference. Top strikers have a natural behavior to go for goal... Mfs typically don't.

Whilst salah has scored a lot of goals... And some really good goals..... He's still an mf....

Strikers get different goals. They go for goal. They are attracted to the goal. Mfs dont typically have this instinct.

And the rest of the players... Including no. 9 firminho... Dont have the goal returns of salah nor a top striker.
Edited by John_Boy, Dec 15 2017, 06:15 PM.
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will be saving last january funds which were saved for the summer which were saved for this january which will be saved for the summer...!!! repeat repeat spin...!!
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Dec 15 2017, 06:14 PM
cactusjon
Dec 15 2017, 06:08 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 04:52 PM
cactusjon
Dec 15 2017, 12:15 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 12:11 PM
Salah will be missing chances, like others, but all the chances won't fall to him... And others... if there is an out and out striker?
Again - read what I was replying to. It specifically referred to a striker scoring the chances Salah missed.

So which striker should we get in?
Aubi - he is ideal for us imo.
That'll be the guy who scores a goal every 3.7 shots, as opposed to Salah who scores for every 4 shots. Yeah, that 0.3 shots will make all the difference.......
I'm inclined to believe it makes all the difference. Top strikers have a natural behavior to go for goal... Mfs typically don't.

Whilst salah has scored a lot of goals... And some really good goals..... He's still an mf....

Strikers get different goals. They go for goal. They are attracted to the goal. Mfs dont typically have this instinct.

And the rest of the players... Including no. 9 firminho... Dont have the goal returns of salah nor a top striker.
Are you inclined to believe that our problem is we don't score enough goals? If so, thats fucking mental. We've scored 63 goals in 26 games. Thats a rate of 2.4 goals a game. We score enough goals.

Salah is not a midfielder, the fact that you fundamentally misunderstand where players play doesn't change a damn thing.
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cactusjon
Dec 16 2017, 11:16 AM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 06:14 PM
cactusjon
Dec 15 2017, 06:08 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 04:52 PM
cactusjon
Dec 15 2017, 12:15 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 12:11 PM
Salah will be missing chances, like others, but all the chances won't fall to him... And others... if there is an out and out striker?
Again - read what I was replying to. It specifically referred to a striker scoring the chances Salah missed.

So which striker should we get in?
Aubi - he is ideal for us imo.
That'll be the guy who scores a goal every 3.7 shots, as opposed to Salah who scores for every 4 shots. Yeah, that 0.3 shots will make all the difference.......
I'm inclined to believe it makes all the difference. Top strikers have a natural behavior to go for goal... Mfs typically don't.

Whilst salah has scored a lot of goals... And some really good goals..... He's still an mf....

Strikers get different goals. They go for goal. They are attracted to the goal. Mfs dont typically have this instinct.

And the rest of the players... Including no. 9 firminho... Dont have the goal returns of salah nor a top striker.
Are you inclined to believe that our problem is we don't score enough goals? If so, thats fucking mental. We've scored 63 goals in 26 games. Thats a rate of 2.4 goals a game. We score enough goals.

Salah is not a midfielder, the fact that you fundamentally misunderstand where players play doesn't change a damn thing.
We didn’t score enough in the last couple of games? Salah is an mf......not a striker.
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Dec 16 2017, 11:33 AM
cactusjon
Dec 16 2017, 11:16 AM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 06:14 PM
cactusjon
Dec 15 2017, 06:08 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 04:52 PM
cactusjon
Dec 15 2017, 12:15 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 12:11 PM
Salah will be missing chances, like others, but all the chances won't fall to him... And others... if there is an out and out striker?
Again - read what I was replying to. It specifically referred to a striker scoring the chances Salah missed.

So which striker should we get in?
Aubi - he is ideal for us imo.
That'll be the guy who scores a goal every 3.7 shots, as opposed to Salah who scores for every 4 shots. Yeah, that 0.3 shots will make all the difference.......
I'm inclined to believe it makes all the difference. Top strikers have a natural behavior to go for goal... Mfs typically don't.

Whilst salah has scored a lot of goals... And some really good goals..... He's still an mf....

Strikers get different goals. They go for goal. They are attracted to the goal. Mfs dont typically have this instinct.

And the rest of the players... Including no. 9 firminho... Dont have the goal returns of salah nor a top striker.
Are you inclined to believe that our problem is we don't score enough goals? If so, thats fucking mental. We've scored 63 goals in 26 games. Thats a rate of 2.4 goals a game. We score enough goals.

Salah is not a midfielder, the fact that you fundamentally misunderstand where players play doesn't change a damn thing.
We didn’t score enough in the last couple of games? Salah is an mf......not a striker.
Oh right, we didn't score enough in two games - best run out and buy a £70 million striker and ignore the fact that we scored loads before then.

And Salah is not a midfielder. He demonstrably plays as part of a front three. Keep banging that drum if you want mate, but it still won't make it true.
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We need goals when it matters?

Playing anyone upfront doesn't make them a striker.
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cactusjon
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Dec 16 2017, 12:17 PM
We need goals when it matters?

Playing anyone upfront doesn't make them a striker.
So? overtime we don't score when we need to we should rush out and buy another attacker?

Repeat after me:

OUR PROBLEM ISN'T SCORING GOALS

And Salah plays on the right of a front three.

HE
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Salah is a winger. And our attack didn't get us the win in the last last couple of games.

We had a brief winning run.... And we wernt firing on all cylinders before then....

So all things considered.... Our attack cannot maintain its collective potency. It's natural and understandable.

We need a proven top class striker to lead the attack.... So we have more options.
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Dec 16 2017, 01:41 PM
Salah is a winger. And our attack didn't get us the win in the last last couple of games.

We had a brief winning run.... And we wernt firing on all cylinders before then....

So all things considered.... Our attack cannot maintain its collective potency. It's natural and understandable.

We need a proven top class striker to lead the attack.... So we have more options.
So he's not a midfielder then? Glad you finally agree.

We don't need another attacker. It really is that simple.

We need defenders and to strengthen the midfield. Our attack is fine. Only two teams in the league have scored more than we have, but five have conceded less. We've failed to score in just 4 games this season. Scoring goals isn't our main issue and its crazy to suggest spunking 60 million on a striker that we simply don't need right now.
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In my opinion our biggest weakness as a team is at GK and the two central midfield positions. Both chronic issues those. Really necessary to update the quality there and trea5 those positions in the transfe4vmarket like it’s the wingers that Klopp allocates most of h S funds too.
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cactusjon
Dec 16 2017, 03:26 PM
John_Boy
Dec 16 2017, 01:41 PM
Salah is a winger. And our attack didn't get us the win in the last last couple of games.

We had a brief winning run.... And we wernt firing on all cylinders before then....

So all things considered.... Our attack cannot maintain its collective potency. It's natural and understandable.

We need a proven top class striker to lead the attack.... So we have more options.
So he's not a midfielder then? Glad you finally agree.

We don't need another attacker. It really is that simple.

We need defenders and to strengthen the midfield. Our attack is fine. Only two teams in the league have scored more than we have, but five have conceded less. We've failed to score in just 4 games this season. Scoring goals isn't our main issue and its crazy to suggest spunking 60 million on a striker that we simply don't need right now.
Winger is mf?
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Is a winger a midfielder you ask ? I gues that would depend on how anal you are dissecting that.
In Salah ‘s case he plays in a 4-3-3 that Klopp prefers and there he’s most definitely got nothing to do with playing in midfield. He’s an attacking winger.
In any team that plays 4-4-2 , they still aren’t wingers but wide midfielders. Think of past great Liverpool teams where Case, Lee, Johnston, Houghton, R. Kennedy, Whelan etc played.
Most teams today play in a 4-2-3-1 ( all of Rafa’s teams at Liverpool ) or in a 3-5-2 ( Chelsea, Arsenal etc today ) none have established regular wingers. More like wing backs.

So JB. To answer your queries on Salah. He is not a midfielder. Henderson you’re othe4 favorite player is.
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cactusjon
Dec 15 2017, 12:15 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 12:11 PM
Salah will be missing chances, like others, but all the chances won't fall to him... And others... if there is an out and out striker?
Again - read what I was replying to. It specifically referred to a striker scoring the chances Salah missed.

So which striker should we get in?
Salah miss chances NO WAY :thumbsup:
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Dec 16 2017, 03:45 PM
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Dec 16 2017, 03:26 PM
John_Boy
Dec 16 2017, 01:41 PM
Salah is a winger. And our attack didn't get us the win in the last last couple of games.

We had a brief winning run.... And we wernt firing on all cylinders before then....

So all things considered.... Our attack cannot maintain its collective potency. It's natural and understandable.

We need a proven top class striker to lead the attack.... So we have more options.
So he's not a midfielder then? Glad you finally agree.

We don't need another attacker. It really is that simple.

We need defenders and to strengthen the midfield. Our attack is fine. Only two teams in the league have scored more than we have, but five have conceded less. We've failed to score in just 4 games this season. Scoring goals isn't our main issue and its crazy to suggest spunking 60 million on a striker that we simply don't need right now.
Winger is mf?
As I said before, he's playing as part of the front three. You can try and label that as a winger, and you can try and claim that he is therefore a midfielder, but you'd be wrong. He plays as part of a front three, he is an attacker. Quite why you insist on having this debate is beyond me though.
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Dec 16 2017, 05:05 PM
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Dec 15 2017, 12:11 PM
Salah will be missing chances, like others, but all the chances won't fall to him... And others... if there is an out and out striker?
Again - read what I was replying to. It specifically referred to a striker scoring the chances Salah missed.

So which striker should we get in?
Salah miss chances NO WAY :thumbsup:
Of course he does. Every player does. Not every player has scored 19 goals though.
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Last season two players I thought that would really suit our play were Van Dyke and Aubameyang , and I thought that if we could possibly get those two then that would be half the spine dealt with . Keita may be a 3/4 of the spine done , and then we would need a GK.

Not sure how much VVD is still suffering in coming back from injury , or whether he is sulking . Aubameyang would certainly suit our type of play IMO and bearing in mind Coutts will probably be off , if not January then the summer .

I wont get excited at the talk of who or when as I don't expect too much in January unless FSG get their windfall from Coutts . But maybe they signed the dotted line for Keita for paying out in the summer knowing the money was coming in then for Coutts.

No need to get excited .
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Dec 15 2017, 06:14 PM
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Dec 15 2017, 06:08 PM
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Dec 15 2017, 04:52 PM
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Dec 15 2017, 12:15 PM
John_Boy
Dec 15 2017, 12:11 PM
Salah will be missing chances, like others, but all the chances won't fall to him... And others... if there is an out and out striker?
Again - read what I was replying to. It specifically referred to a striker scoring the chances Salah missed.

So which striker should we get in?
Aubi - he is ideal for us imo.
That'll be the guy who scores a goal every 3.7 shots, as opposed to Salah who scores for every 4 shots. Yeah, that 0.3 shots will make all the difference.......
I'm inclined to believe it makes all the difference. Top strikers have a natural behavior to go for goal... Mfs typically don't.

Whilst salah has scored a lot of goals... And some really good goals..... He's still an mf....

Strikers get different goals. They go for goal. They are attracted to the goal. Mfs dont typically have this instinct.

And the rest of the players... Including no. 9 firminho... Dont have the goal returns of salah nor a top striker.
Who cares what label salah has... He's scoring goals.
Never heard of a fan complaining that a player who is not a striker is scoring to much lol.
Edited by chalky the red, Dec 17 2017, 02:10 PM.
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Liverpool play with a front 3 , call them what you will . A striker and two inside forwards ?
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We played 3 upfront, 1 winger and 2 AMs
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At Bournemouth , Klopp started with 4 false number 9s
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VVD not a done deal - if there is ever a deal.

Reported that Liverpool will not pay what Southampton are wanting, £70m. In theory I agree with them as the guy is never worth £70m but in reality if we still want him we'll probably have to pay the going rate and due to Neymar & PSG all valuations are ridiculous nowadays.
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