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The Psychological Aspect: For Those Who Have Played The Game; AND THOSE WHO REALLY HAVEN'T . . .
Topic Started: Jan 10 2018, 10:57 AM (405 Views)
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It's a big game, the nerves really start jangling in the dressing room; you take the field you become even more nervous so what you find yourself invariably doing is looking around at you're team mates, how are they coping? You find consolation in this and there is your midfield dynamo, or your potent striker and thoughts such as "how can we lose with players like that" for you know even one flash of their skill and your opponents are in trouble, it becomes a comfort, psychologically then their mere presence buoys you up and can and often will make the difference.

Like life itself, there is a lot of psychology in footy.

It's the psychological loss of players like Torres, Alonso, Suarez, Sterling and now Coutinho that can and does set a team back, their mere presence is often enough to make the difference on the field of play as the opposition also look you over and say, "thank God they sold the little fucking, shit Coutinho and we don't face him today", they thereby are boosted by our loss completing the double whammy as it were. Our dead ball situations alone are now so less potent than they were, not to mention the last two years particularly whereby his long distance screamers undid teams. Once he was within 30 meters defenders had to be in two minds as to what was coming next.

We have then lets have no illusions here just lost one of the best players in the world, as indeed is now the norm for us as is NOT winning trophies now the norm for us. Let's hope Klopp and his men can compensate for the loss of a play-maker and maestro like Couts - IF not and Klopp doesn't pull the rabbit out of the hat and FSG don't help restore the status quo by allowing Klopp to buy serious quality preferably this window, we're sliding back yet again.
THE ABOVE CONTRIBUTION IS SIMPLY AN OPINION. I AM NOT LOOKING TO BITTERLY ARGUE OR FALL OUT BUT RATHER MATURELY DEBATE MATTERS SHOULD IT DIFFER FROM YOURS

FOOD IS HABIT FORMING !!!
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Jan 10 2018, 10:57 AM
It's a big game, the nerves really start jangling in the dressing room; you take the field you become even more nervous so what you find yourself invariably doing is looking around at you're team mates, how are they coping? You find consolation in this and there is your midfield dynamo, or your potent striker and thoughts such as "how can we lose with players like that" for you know even one flash of their skill and your opponents are in trouble, it becomes a comfort, psychologically then their mere presence buoys you up and can and often will make the difference.

Like life itself, there is a lot of psychology in footy.

It's the psychological loss of players like Torres, Alonso, Suarez, Sterling and now Coutinho that can and does set a team back, their mere presence is often enough to make the difference on the field of play as the opposition also look you over and say, "thank God they sold the little fucking, shit Coutinho and we don't face him today", they thereby are boosted by our loss completing the double whammy as it were. Our dead ball situations alone are now so less potent than they were, not to mention the last two years particularly whereby his long distance screamers undid teams. Once he was within 30 meters defenders had to be in two minds as to what was coming next.

We have then lets have no illusions here just lost one of the best players in the world, as indeed is now the norm for us as is NOT winning trophies now the norm for us. Let's hope Klopp and his men can compensate for the loss of a play-maker and maestro like Couts - IF not and Klopp doesn't pull the rabbit out of the hat and FSG don't help restore the status quo by allowing Klopp to buy serious quality preferably this window, we're sliding back yet again.
If you find psychological loss in the departure of top players, then I hope you find the compensation in the arrival of top players. Virgil Van Dijk, for example.
We lose a 10 goal man, so far this season. We gain a top defender. How many soft goals have we given up this season so far? Somewhere around 10, I would hazard a guess. So our future improvement could be due to the performance of our back line rather than our front line. Let's say we reduce our stupid giveaway goals to 2 for the rest of the season. And Virgil has already reduced the deficit with his opening goal in the FA Cup derby. I think he will add quite a few more from set pieces, with the kind of players we have capable of delivering crosses. I hope we replace Coutinho as near as possible like-for-like, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. I'm staying optimistic.
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Jan 10 2018, 03:46 PM
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Jan 10 2018, 10:57 AM
It's a big game, the nerves really start jangling in the dressing room; you take the field you become even more nervous so what you find yourself invariably doing is looking around at you're team mates, how are they coping? You find consolation in this and there is your midfield dynamo, or your potent striker and thoughts such as "how can we lose with players like that" for you know even one flash of their skill and your opponents are in trouble, it becomes a comfort, psychologically then their mere presence buoys you up and can and often will make the difference.

Like life itself, there is a lot of psychology in footy.

It's the psychological loss of players like Torres, Alonso, Suarez, Sterling and now Coutinho that can and does set a team back, their mere presence is often enough to make the difference on the field of play as the opposition also look you over and say, "thank God they sold the little fucking, shit Coutinho and we don't face him today", they thereby are boosted by our loss completing the double whammy as it were. Our dead ball situations alone are now so less potent than they were, not to mention the last two years particularly whereby his long distance screamers undid teams. Once he was within 30 meters defenders had to be in two minds as to what was coming next.

We have then lets have no illusions here just lost one of the best players in the world, as indeed is now the norm for us as is NOT winning trophies now the norm for us. Let's hope Klopp and his men can compensate for the loss of a play-maker and maestro like Couts - IF not and Klopp doesn't pull the rabbit out of the hat and FSG don't help restore the status quo by allowing Klopp to buy serious quality preferably this window, we're sliding back yet again.
If you find psychological loss in the departure of top players, then I hope you find the compensation in the arrival of top players. Virgil Van Dijk, for example.
We lose a 10 goal man, so far this season. We gain a top defender. How many soft goals have we given up this season so far? Somewhere around 10, I would hazard a guess. So our future improvement could be due to the performance of our back line rather than our front line. Let's say we reduce our stupid giveaway goals to 2 for the rest of the season. And Virgil has already reduced the deficit with his opening goal in the FA Cup derby. I think he will add quite a few more from set pieces, with the kind of players we have capable of delivering crosses. I hope we replace Coutinho as near as possible like-for-like, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. I'm staying optimistic.
It's not me that finds a "psychological loss" I am attempting to deal with the rationale of why we have not won the Title in 28 years and only one trophy in the last 13 and thus I bring something to the fore that is rarely if ever mentioned, the psychological impact of losing Your Top players. These timescales if we are to remain anything like a force in footy are becoming serious, anyone who can't see that need to reevaluate their vision and or thinking certainly in that regard.

So we have just lost once again our foremost player, one of the best players in the world, now while some posters certainly on here and elsewhere try to down play or dumb down the potential outcome, the evidence suggests that for clubs to win things you keep your best (not lose them at every single turn) and build on that foundation.

VVD comes with a big rep, he now has to confirm that rep, he hasn't yet with OUR team and it's early days. We are, so it is now being loudly bugled the biggest selling club in European football, Salah is now it seems being moved into pole position to be sold, these are the bald facts. There is a difference between being optimistic as I am myself, and being delusional in regard to us not winning Trophies. To remain anything like a footy force we require a serious Trophy and we require one soon. :)
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Snigger
Jan 10 2018, 04:50 PM
Camelot
Jan 10 2018, 03:46 PM
Snigger
Jan 10 2018, 10:57 AM
It's a big game, the nerves really start jangling in the dressing room; you take the field you become even more nervous so what you find yourself invariably doing is looking around at you're team mates, how are they coping? You find consolation in this and there is your midfield dynamo, or your potent striker and thoughts such as "how can we lose with players like that" for you know even one flash of their skill and your opponents are in trouble, it becomes a comfort, psychologically then their mere presence buoys you up and can and often will make the difference.

Like life itself, there is a lot of psychology in footy.

It's the psychological loss of players like Torres, Alonso, Suarez, Sterling and now Coutinho that can and does set a team back, their mere presence is often enough to make the difference on the field of play as the opposition also look you over and say, "thank God they sold the little fucking, shit Coutinho and we don't face him today", they thereby are boosted by our loss completing the double whammy as it were. Our dead ball situations alone are now so less potent than they were, not to mention the last two years particularly whereby his long distance screamers undid teams. Once he was within 30 meters defenders had to be in two minds as to what was coming next.

We have then lets have no illusions here just lost one of the best players in the world, as indeed is now the norm for us as is NOT winning trophies now the norm for us. Let's hope Klopp and his men can compensate for the loss of a play-maker and maestro like Couts - IF not and Klopp doesn't pull the rabbit out of the hat and FSG don't help restore the status quo by allowing Klopp to buy serious quality preferably this window, we're sliding back yet again.
If you find psychological loss in the departure of top players, then I hope you find the compensation in the arrival of top players. Virgil Van Dijk, for example.
We lose a 10 goal man, so far this season. We gain a top defender. How many soft goals have we given up this season so far? Somewhere around 10, I would hazard a guess. So our future improvement could be due to the performance of our back line rather than our front line. Let's say we reduce our stupid giveaway goals to 2 for the rest of the season. And Virgil has already reduced the deficit with his opening goal in the FA Cup derby. I think he will add quite a few more from set pieces, with the kind of players we have capable of delivering crosses. I hope we replace Coutinho as near as possible like-for-like, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. I'm staying optimistic.
It's not me that finds a "psychological loss" I am attempting to deal with the rationale of why we have not won the Title in 28 years and only one trophy in the last 13 and thus I bring something to the fore that is rarely if ever mentioned, the psychological impact of losing Your Top players. These timescales if we are to remain anything like a force in footy are becoming serious, anyone who can't see that need to reevaluate their vision and or thinking certainly in that regard.

So we have just lost once again our foremost player, one of the best players in the world, now while some posters certainly on here and elsewhere try to down play or dumb down the potential outcome, the evidence suggests that for clubs to win things you keep your best (not lose them at every single turn) and build on that foundation.

VVD comes with a big rep, he now has to confirm that rep, he hasn't yet with OUR team and it's early days. We are, so it is now being loudly bugled the biggest selling club in European football, Salah is now it seems being moved into pole position to be sold, these are the bald facts. There is a difference between being optimistic as I am myself, and being delusional in regard to us not winning Trophies. To remain anything like a footy force we require a serious Trophy and we require one soon. :)
For starters, I'm not at all sure whom you are referring to in this 'psychological loss'. Are your referring to players, managers, supporters, or someone else as the putative losers?
I agree that you have to hang on to your best players, when you can. Sometimes you have no choice, because the desire to move on is so strong. In my view the loss is not psychological so much as one of loss of quality. If you can't replace departed players with those of equal quality, you will struggle. As has been pointed out, the trick is for the manager to be able to find those replacements and persuade them to join our club. Klopp's record says that he is up to this. It doesn't necessarily happen immediately, of course. It might take a few months.
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Psychology is part of it, no doubt. But in our case replacing those key players has been our biggest problem, though that also goes along with psychological impact.
We replaced Suarez with Balotelli ffs. Not fit to lace his boots, devoid of inspiration, and an arsehole.
What were we thinking?
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Couts loss is a psychological blow. But the impact is limited since we have 3 others that contributed to the fab 4. Teams will still weary of our attack imo.... And now that we have Vvd... And a string of solid defensive performances.... Teams will not expect us to capitulate....
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Van Djik will be a major psychological boost to that defense ,strictly because he’s that much more talented than the rest of them.

Natural talent and strong work ethic on the field is what makes teams winners. The reason why Liverpool haven’t won the league since 1990 is that they never had enough of those type of players in any given XI at any Season. Partially it’s that they never could spend as much as the league winners ( Leicester apart ) and at other times when they did decide to spend as much as their main rivals, they selected the wrong players to buy.
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Jan 10 2018, 09:08 PM
Snigger
Jan 10 2018, 04:50 PM
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Jan 10 2018, 03:46 PM
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Jan 10 2018, 10:57 AM
It's a big game, the nerves really start jangling in the dressing room; you take the field you become even more nervous so what you find yourself invariably doing is looking around at you're team mates, how are they coping? You find consolation in this and there is your midfield dynamo, or your potent striker and thoughts such as "how can we lose with players like that" for you know even one flash of their skill and your opponents are in trouble, it becomes a comfort, psychologically then their mere presence buoys you up and can and often will make the difference.

Like life itself, there is a lot of psychology in footy.

It's the psychological loss of players like Torres, Alonso, Suarez, Sterling and now Coutinho that can and does set a team back, their mere presence is often enough to make the difference on the field of play as the opposition also look you over and say, "thank God they sold the little fucking, shit Coutinho and we don't face him today", they thereby are boosted by our loss completing the double whammy as it were. Our dead ball situations alone are now so less potent than they were, not to mention the last two years particularly whereby his long distance screamers undid teams. Once he was within 30 meters defenders had to be in two minds as to what was coming next.

We have then lets have no illusions here just lost one of the best players in the world, as indeed is now the norm for us as is NOT winning trophies now the norm for us. Let's hope Klopp and his men can compensate for the loss of a play-maker and maestro like Couts - IF not and Klopp doesn't pull the rabbit out of the hat and FSG don't help restore the status quo by allowing Klopp to buy serious quality preferably this window, we're sliding back yet again.
If you find psychological loss in the departure of top players, then I hope you find the compensation in the arrival of top players. Virgil Van Dijk, for example.
We lose a 10 goal man, so far this season. We gain a top defender. How many soft goals have we given up this season so far? Somewhere around 10, I would hazard a guess. So our future improvement could be due to the performance of our back line rather than our front line. Let's say we reduce our stupid giveaway goals to 2 for the rest of the season. And Virgil has already reduced the deficit with his opening goal in the FA Cup derby. I think he will add quite a few more from set pieces, with the kind of players we have capable of delivering crosses. I hope we replace Coutinho as near as possible like-for-like, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. I'm staying optimistic.
It's not me that finds a "psychological loss" I am attempting to deal with the rationale of why we have not won the Title in 28 years and only one trophy in the last 13 and thus I bring something to the fore that is rarely if ever mentioned, the psychological impact of losing Your Top players. These timescales if we are to remain anything like a force in footy are becoming serious, anyone who can't see that need to reevaluate their vision and or thinking certainly in that regard.

So we have just lost once again our foremost player, one of the best players in the world, now while some posters certainly on here and elsewhere try to down play or dumb down the potential outcome, the evidence suggests that for clubs to win things you keep your best (not lose them at every single turn) and build on that foundation.

VVD comes with a big rep, he now has to confirm that rep, he hasn't yet with OUR team and it's early days. We are, so it is now being loudly bugled the biggest selling club in European football, Salah is now it seems being moved into pole position to be sold, these are the bald facts. There is a difference between being optimistic as I am myself, and being delusional in regard to us not winning Trophies. To remain anything like a footy force we require a serious Trophy and we require one soon. :)
For starters, I'm not at all sure whom you are referring to in this 'psychological loss'. Are your referring to players, managers, supporters, or someone else as the putative losers?
I agree that you have to hang on to your best players, when you can. Sometimes you have no choice, because the desire to move on is so strong. In my view the loss is not psychological so much as one of loss of quality. If you can't replace departed players with those of equal quality, you will struggle. As has been pointed out, the trick is for the manager to be able to find those replacements and persuade them to join our club. Klopp's record says that he is up to this. It doesn't necessarily happen immediately, of course. It might take a few months.
Get away with yer noo! Really? And has has been pointed out, when we find those players you mention Owen, Alonso, Torres, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho etc. etc. - guess what? We flog them! Then we start over again, hence we have not won the the Title in 28 years and only one trophy in the last 13. ;)

Our continual HOPE is and has to be that Klopp is indeed a wonder worker - he needs to be, even yer good self now couldn't have failed to notice once some results went against us some Fans wanted his head? Purslow has now come out and said that if FSG don't spend they seriously risk losing him. Hmm then we'll see.
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Psychology is part of it, no doubt. But in our case replacing those key players has been our biggest problem, though that also goes along with psychological impact.
We replaced Suarez with Balotelli ffs. Not fit to lace his boots, devoid of inspiration, and an arsehole.
What were we thinking?
Well it was Ayre-head in his leather chaps thinking of cock....& bull....no doubt!! :whistle:
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Agree with an earlier sentiment. Losing Phil not as bad as the loss of Suarez or Torres who were either our main goal getters and/ or creators, if not responsible for most of the hunger in Suarez case. Today, we still have 3 potent players in our attack whereas in the past, we were left with Origi and Sturridge (injured).

Big issue with Phil is the creative void left in the middle of the park. Players will have to work that bit harder for chances to be made, whilst Phil saw the chance before the ref blew the whistle to start the match.

As for player psychology, a goalie that could command his 6 yard box and distribute the ball - and bereft of fucking blunders - would up everyone's psychological deficit. Imagine playing in front of DeGea, if you will. You could give away 5-6 (or more) glittering chances a game, and be confident that lad will stop 90% of them. That lad has bailed them out of the shit more times than I care to count.

I'd fucking put a "cheeky" offer in to buy De Gea.
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IMO a MASSIVE psychological boost in getting VVD when we did AND tgd added bonus of him breaking his duck against the bitters....& yes, if has gone some way to papering over the cracks where the loss of tge brazilian is concerned -which i'm sure Klopp will address....
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IMO a MASSIVE psychological boost in getting VVD when we did AND tgd added bonus of him breaking his duck against the bitters....& yes, if has gone some way to papering over the cracks where the loss of tge brazilian is concerned -which i'm sure Klopp will address....
TGM Shanks, "A goal scorer will always break the world transfer record, a goalkeeper never will." Top defenders cost less than half the price of a Top attackers, VVD £75 mill, Neymar £200 mill, Mbappe £166 mill, Couts £146 mill and so forth. Thereby the loss of an attacking force one could readily offer is a far greater psychological blow than the inclusion of a defender.

Also VVD has yet to prove himself in Liverpool Colours (we all pray he does), Couts did, hence his large fee. Now while VVD playing well will indeed bring a psychological import to matters evidentially it won't match the loss of a world class attacking force, such as Couts became.

As usual we HOPE that FSG back Klopp and that Klopp is the wonder worker we all HOPE he is, as we march forward without one of the world's major players, his loss halfway through the season (in our position) being far more impactive than IF he left at the end of it, ergo a season whence we stand a good chance of taking the ECL. :))
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Well has the loss of Couts had a determined psychological impact? Not to mention the Salah stuff? I think there was an inevitability about it. Selling your best in January is not the usual way to win trophies.

In some ways damage limitation now. So come on Jurgen work your wonders and get us off our arse mate!! All our HOPE rests in your magic, now that Couts has gone.
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FOOD IS HABIT FORMING !!!
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..and you also get scenarios like oposing wingers/players who have been around and are seasoned pl players who look at inexperienced young players in the lfc team who are error ridden and done nothing to deserve a place in the team..and think who the fuck are they ..they are no great shakes..i'm better than them etc...
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..and you also get scenarios like oposing wingers/players who have been around and are seasoned pl players who look at inexperienced young players in the lfc team who are error ridden and done nothing to deserve a place in the team..and think who the fuck are they ..they are no great shakes..i'm better than them etc...
How are inexperienced players ever supposed to get experience if we don't play them?

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I still think that player recruitment is all wrong and defensive coaching is non existent by the evidence on the field the last 2 plus years.

You can’t keep conceding close to 50 goals every Season and think you are a serious team with aspirations to winning trophies.
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Coutinho wasn't missed against City, one of the harder games of the season, I felt that this team can be so frustrating and that was also often the case when Coutinho played, we didn't lose today because Coutinho was transferred, we lost because we didn't play as a team.
Regarding the psychology of losing players we won the European cup when Keegan left, players who fall apart when that happens do not have the wherewithal to play in a top team, losing a player should be a stimulus for others and often is,
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When Keegan left Dalglish came in.
When Suarez left, Lambert, Balotelli and Borini were brought
When Stevie retired, Henderson took over
When Coutinho was sold , we were told that Lallana and Oxlade will cover for him.

You just don’t sell your very best player and think it’s ok to continue without him. Would Man. City not try to buy someone if De Brunye was out , or would they say “ were ok. We have Fernandinho , Yaya Toure and Delph can play there also “

We are run by great owners off the field but really lame shitty ones on the field.


Still can’t defend although they just spent a world record fee for a defender.
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We might have sold Coutihno, but sure we bought Keita last season for next season. Alls good 👍
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Coutinho wasn't missed against City, one of the harder games of the season, I felt that this team can be so frustrating and that was also often the case when Coutinho played, we didn't lose today because Coutinho was transferred, we lost because we didn't play as a team.
Regarding the psychology of losing players we won the European cup when Keegan left, players who fall apart when that happens do not have the wherewithal to play in a top team, losing a player should be a stimulus for others and often is,
Hearing what your saying saying RP, however, there are the usual caveats and though I too wish the likes of Couts leaving was to have no effect whatsoever, I don't think the questions raised by his departure are easily undone by the likes of your fine post.

Keegan's leaving was a lifetime ago now - 41 years. Things off-field are somewhat different now, football then though popular was more localised, more limited in its appeal, its appeal these days due to technology is now universal as indeed is football coverage, ergo dint of such, a move such as Keegan's was far less impactive, far less "ripple effect".

Also Keegan saw out the season, he did not quit in the January had he of done, Liverpool fans may well have noticed a rather more damaging effect. Also he was "immediately" replaced by Dalglish. To sign Dalglish we had to break the British Transfer Fee record, we have not done anything like that that in regard to Couts; so using the Keegan departure as a benchmark as you are attempting to do, we would have to spend what £75 - £100 million this month?When we have not seemingly replaced Couts at all.

Also the Liverpool team of 1977 was "full of stars", European Champions as they were and here's the psychological crunch used to winning things (success breeding success) and thus was far more capable of losing its best player and coping - NOT that it had to - Paisley bringing Dalglish in as stated. (We should have brought a Lamar or a Fekir in, having had one lined up for some time, [as Paisley did], to compensate for any impact Cout's departure might or could have) "

Added to the Coutinho's departure please notice I also mention the "Salah stuff", so given the above I still question the merit of allowing Coutinho to leave in January. Father Time as I always say will in his own sweet time reveal all. The FACT now remains, the only chance we have of a Trophy is the ECL, otherwise it's YET another trophyless season for Liverpool FC . . . . . . . . . . . . and I do know why we are in this err drought.

As I also keep repeating we must all HOPE Klopp is the wonder worker we all HOPED he was / is - he needs to be!!!
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Some may point to the effect of Coutinho leaving, but for that matter the arrival of Van Djk could have had an effect too- not necessarily beneficial...( although he was a popular man when scoring v Everton,of course- I think: I'd like to look at that footage again...)
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Some may point to the effect of Coutinho leaving, but for that matter the arrival of Van Djk could have had an effect too- not necessarily beneficial...( although he was a popular man when scoring v Everton,of course- I think: I'd like to look at that footage again...)
Yes 'true PP so we live in HOPE. Also this psychology thing I'm attempting to pursue is backed up by TGM Shanks, apparently because of err destabilising effects he strictly prohibited players getting married during the season? Can you recall that PP? I'm not sure what he'd think of selling say St. John, Hunt, Thompson or Callaghan during the season????? Cheers :))
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Some may point to the effect of Coutinho leaving, but for that matter the arrival of Van Djk could have had an effect too- not necessarily beneficial...( although he was a popular man when scoring v Everton,of course- I think: I'd like to look at that footage again...)
Yes 'true PP so we live in HOPE. Also this psychology thing I'm attempting to pursue is backed up by TGM Shanks, apparently because of err destabilising effects he strictly prohibited players getting married during the season? Can you recall that PP? I'm not sure what he'd think of selling say St. John, Hunt, Thompson or Callaghan during the season????? Cheers :))
I remember it well John McLaughlin never played again after breaking with the marriage rule, He never recovered from that decision.
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Coutinho wasn't missed against City, one of the harder games of the season, I felt that this team can be so frustrating and that was also often the case when Coutinho played, we didn't lose today because Coutinho was transferred, we lost because we didn't play as a team.
Regarding the psychology of losing players we won the European cup when Keegan left, players who fall apart when that happens do not have the wherewithal to play in a top team, losing a player should be a stimulus for others and often is,
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Coutinho wasn't missed against City, one of the harder games of the season, I felt that this team can be so frustrating and that was also often the case when Coutinho played, we didn't lose today because Coutinho was transferred, we lost because we didn't play as a team.
Regarding the psychology of losing players we won the European cup when Keegan left, players who fall apart when that happens do not have the wherewithal to play in a top team, losing a player should be a stimulus for others and often is,
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